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What is an Exploit?

MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,400
Until recently, I thought all people shared the same definition of what is considered an Exploit in a video game, but that view was challenged recently from my experience playing some MMOs lately.

I figured an Exploit was the use of something that wasnt intended to be used in that way by the development, especially when there is an advantage to be gained from it.

But I have noticed that people seem to defend an exploit, if said exploit requires a certain level of skill to use, as I been told.

So even if it wasnt intended design, people who use it ,have advantage over people that dont, simply because you time a certain button press to do this exploit, it should be acceptable?

where do you stand in this?

Philosophy of MMO Game Design

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  • bone15bone15 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    Exploit is as u said when u do something knowing its not the right thing that should happen but u keep doing it either to fast lvl or get money or fast clear time in dungeons etc. 

    aka Exploit is something unintended and alot of games have it or had it. 
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    DMKano said:
    Whatever devs say is an exploit  - it's their games and their rules whether you like it or not is irrelevant. 

    It can vary from one game to another too. 

    Bottom line what players think makes zero difference because they have no power to enforce the rules.

      Which makes perfect sense , as most Devs have no idea there is an exploit until players find it and abuse it , then the Devs react ...
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    edited October 2015
    Loktofeit said:
    I saw the thread and thought, it's one thing to say we all can't agree on how to define a "sandbox" MMO or how to define "winning" in an MMO. but this?..............

    We don't have to define it. We don't need to agree on it. If the publisher says "That's an exploit" 
    Guess what?..............

    LOL, I just noticed DMK's post.....Same idea.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Torval said:
    To add, what you're hearing is just people trying to excuse their own cheating. I've seen it a lot by raiders in the new TLE servers in EQ2. I've seen it in the past by raiders in Rift. I've seen it a lot in various pvp games/modes.
    I remember a particular boss fight in Naxx early on in Wrath.....don't remember the boss name, but I remember the fight....There was one place on the floor the Boss's AOE didn't hit. Everyone stacked there..........That was an exploit. We know it was an exploit because it was patched.....(I believe it was patched)
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    DMKano said:
    Whatever devs say is an exploit  - it's their games and their rules whether you like it or not is irrelevant. 

    It can vary from one game to another too. 

    Bottom line what players think makes zero difference because they have no power to enforce the rules.


    I agree.  Whatever the devs say is an exploit.
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  • KenFisherKenFisher Member UncommonPosts: 5,035
     
    I figured an Exploit was the use of something that wasnt intended to be used in that way by the development, especially when there is an advantage to be gained from it.


    I agree.  Unintended reaction to input due to development error, utilized by players for advantage and/or unintended functionality.

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    An exploit is anything that violates the rules of the game that gives you an unfair advantage over other players and can result in a ban. 

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Torval said:
    waynejr2 said:
    DMKano said:
    Whatever devs say is an exploit  - it's their games and their rules whether you like it or not is irrelevant. 

    It can vary from one game to another too. 

    Bottom line what players think makes zero difference because they have no power to enforce the rules.
    I agree.  Whatever the devs say is an exploit.
    Not that I disagree. I don't. But, devs rarely ever come out and list the exploits. Players need to exercise a bit of common sense. If something hard can be trivialized or a the resource return for the effort is fantastic for an unconventional event sequence, then it's probably too good to be true.

    When players get in that situation then they should report it or ask a game representative. Players rarely, if ever get banned for discovering and triggering an exploit. It's how they handle it afterwards that leads to punitive consequences.
    Well, let us flip it.

    Someone steals from you, should the person who steals get to define what is stealing?  NO.  If someone has to ask if "action x" is exploiting, either he is exploiting or asking a stupid question.

    A list isn't needed in most cases imo.  That being said, I have asked for game companies to have their bug database public.  It puts pressure on the devs to clean up exploits.

    Lets be honest, as long as the money is rolling in, they don't have a priority to deal with exploits unless it is really extreme.  Most players love using exploits as many of them will say it is something the devs allowed.  If they get questioned about the exploit they will ask "what is an exploit?".  They might even ask for a list of exploits.

    It it all part of the little bs games the gamers pull.
    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/QBlog190810A.html  

    Epic Music:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1

    https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1

    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"




  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    Stupid question is stupid.

    An exploit is an exploit. But I guess the intended reaction is just to make a post and get an answer....

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