I'm Predicting A Video Game Crash For One Simple Reason

Razeekster · November 2015

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

Again with the absurdity... is that the only angle you can argue from? Our economy is at it's strongest when the interest of the nation is of the most pertinence to our industries, it's at its weakest when it's all about corporate profit, welcome to 2015 as that's where we are now... Great for you, you found a way to circumvent that... most suffer from it, but that's of no concern to you obviously...

People go into business to make money, not run a charity for a nation.

Like I said to someone earlier, you need to convince Americans to buy American at higher prices.

Getting rid of NAFTA would be a start. Who gave us that btw? Corporations or our representative government?

There would be nothing I would love more than see Wal-Mart go out of business. But that's just not going to happen.

Corporations in the U.S. pay the highest taxes in the world. Provide benefits. Forced to hire unqualified people by law. And on and on and on. I don't blame them for moving overseas. THAT is reality.

Welcome to 2015.

Of course I never said otherwise, you're missing the point I am making here... We're in a f'd up situation across the board, and both sides of the isle are to blame if we want to get political about it... One side pushing companies away, another protecting hurtful practices because it fills their pockets. There needs to be a real shake up of the highest level to make any difference which will never happen in this climate of apathy..

As history has proven, eventually when people are fed up the bubble will burst and people will turn against their leaders. It'll happen eventually, it's just a matter of time.

bullymays · November 2015

For everyone making fun of the OP...He/She is kind of correct. I have been in a managerial position for around 10 years now. The landscape of hiring has changed dramatically. The OP asserted that individuals that work with him are overqualified educationally and through experience. I believe that 100% no matter where you live in the U.S.

With the enormous influx of unemployed individuals with tons of experience, we have went away from a "What is your education" background and now hire based on experience only. Don't care if you went to Harvard and another candidate has 10 years more experience in the field, they are getting the job hands down.

Discretionary income is still way down as a whole and entertainment is #1 on the list effected when income values are lowering.

Also, on another but related topic, Unemployment rates are garbage. Unemployment is only calculated based on individuals collecting unemployment or are active in the unemployment registry of the state workforce development. So if you have been unemployed for over 1 year, and are not getting unemployment, you DO NOT count towards the unemployment rate. That is the ONLY reason the unemployment rate goes up, your year is up and doesn't count against the rate so naturally through attrition unemployment rates drop when they should be 4x 6x what is reported because of the adverse conditions over the past 6 years.

TLDR, education is overvalued in todays marketplace ( I have 2 degrees, economics/IT) and Unemployment rate is garbage.

Razeekster · November 2015

threefeet said:

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H0urg1ass said:

Enlist in the Military, pick any job that gets you a security clearance. The military will pay off your college loans over the course of three years. Then you can make serious money as a contractor when you leave the military after your first enlistment.

But then again, that requires putting in real work for a minimum of four years, and no, making donuts is not real work.

Anyone my age who doesn't vote for Bernie is basically fudging up their lives. Good glob the thought of Trump being president.... How was it even legal for him to run anyway? I thought there was a law against big business owners running for office?

NorseGod · November 2015

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

Of course I never said otherwise, you're missing the point I am making here... We're in a f'd up situation across the board, and both sides of the isle are to blame if we want to get political about it... One side pushing companies away, another protecting hurtful practices because it fills their pockets. There needs to be a real shake up of the highest level to make any difference which will never happen in this climate of apathy..

I agree that there is a problem. I'm sure I'll disagree with your preferred outcome. Not sure what else to say about this without getting into politics.

I kind of don't really care anymore with whats coming. I see the writing on the wall. This will never stop until every last drop is squeezed out of us.

All I can do is stop worrying about how much money and possessions other people have and carve out something for myself on my own terms. The only thing I can control is myself and I'm totally happy with that.

NorseGod · November 2015

Razeekster said:

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Politicians and media are on the corporations side? Really? Oh, and you think because you can pile on more taxes, laws, hire quotas, and other burdens, they will stick around? You're telling the rest of us you would stick around? Unlikely.

Again with the absurdity... is that the only angle you can argue from? Our economy is at it's strongest when the interest of the nation is of the most pertinence to our industries, it's at its weakest when it's all about corporate profit, welcome to 2015 as that's where we are now... Great for you, you found a way to circumvent that... most suffer from it, but that's of no concern to you obviously...

It's funny to me because it's history literally repeating itself and people are just too brainwashed to even attempt to research the truth instead of what corporations tell them.

You keep believing that, doughnut boy. You'll catch your big break any day now. I can see it coming.

Distopia · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

Of course I never said otherwise, you're missing the point I am making here... We're in a f'd up situation across the board, and both sides of the isle are to blame if we want to get political about it... One side pushing companies away, another protecting hurtful practices because it fills their pockets. There needs to be a real shake up of the highest level to make any difference which will never happen in this climate of apathy..

I agree that there is a problem. I'm sure I'll disagree with your preferred outcome. Not sure what else to say about this without getting into politics.

I kind of don't really care anymore with whats coming. I see the writing on the wall. This will never stop until every last drop is squeezed out of us.

All I can do is stop worrying about how much money and possessions other people have and carve out something for myself on my own terms. The only thing I can control is myself and I'm totally happy with that.

I don't really know what I'd prefer as an outcome TBH. I think a lot of us especially those 35 and up are at that same point, hence my statement about apathy, we'll play our games, play our guitars, go to work, eat, sleep, poo, etc, without really lifting much more than an eyebrow at the situation. We're all just consumers consuming at this point.

VengeSunsoar · November 2015

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l2avism · November 2015

Maybe you guys should stop being little angsty socialist weasels and go read "rich dad, poor dad".
The solution to your problems isn't to sit around and complain about being a newb at the economics game, but instead to learn how to play the game.
Life is just like an MMO, those who are good get first roll on loot, those who are bad sit around waiting on a dungeon finder queue.

One of the sacred cow of all is to go to school.

Problem with the school system:
The problem is not with school but education. School focus on two kinds of education, academic and professional. However they do not focus on another important education which is the financial education. Schools are training people to be an employees, to work for the rich. Schools teach to be cultural dependent; which is to depend on corporation, government and institution to take care of people. In school, team work is cheating but in real world team work is highly recommended.

Fact:
A lot of successful people do not complete their school, but they are street smart. Between school smart and street smart, Robert rather be street smart.

Importance of financial education:
The importance part of financial education is having a financial statement, which consists of the income statement and the balance sheet. When you leave school, your banker don't ask you for your report but your financial statement. Financial statement is the report card of your financial intelligence. It will tells other whether you are smart with money or not smart for money.

How to get financial educated:
What is the best way to learn financial education. According to the clone of learning, the best way to learn is through simulation and doing the actual things. That is why the play Cashflow is created. It is to teach people financial education through playing and making mistake in a safe environment.

TLDR: your college education is completely irrelevant. Its all about how financially educated you are.

mark2123 · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

Having worked in senior leadership positions and been a business director across a 24yr working career, I can say this is top advice and worth heeding.

Not aimed at the opening post guy, but the reality is that the current generation do seem to expect everything on a plate and don't really know (on the whole) what adversity is.

Having a job that pays is infinitely (work it out) better than being unemployed - there are millions of unemployed people that would like to have even a 'menial' job because it's a job.

Like the guy above says, do your best every day and you will get noticed. And believe me, it's not hard to stand out these days because so many people come in and do the minimum. It's cheaper and faster to promote from witihin so if you are performing, reliable, sensible and have other relevant qualities, you can be a manager in 2-3 years looking at the world very differently.

mark2123 · November 2015

@Razeekster

Final piece of advice to you. I don't think you are appreciating the feedback and replies you are getting on this thread and clearly you are putting a lot of time and energy into responding.

My suggestion would be that if you really want to change your life and get out of Dunkin Donuts, you walk away from this thread now and put every spare minute of your life into gaining more qualifications and applying for your 'better' job.

Any time not spent trying to put yourself up out of this situation that you feel you are in is going to be lost to you forever - and I don't think this threat is going to be any more productive for you. 250 posts on it means you've heard it all now.

Slapshot1188 · November 2015

VengeSunsoar said:

Calvin and Hobbes is awesome!

Slapshot1188 · November 2015

Razeekster said:

It's actually a bit (quite a bit) harder for me since I have hips that aren't in my sockets and scoliosis, so I can't lift anything above 10 pounds basically. That and discrimination against disabled workers is really quite prevalent from what I've personally experienced.

And no, I don't want pity for having disabilities. It's just a fact I live with.

OK. Can I ask what your degree is in? Your disabilities are a fact you live with so how did YOU prepare for life with them? One of my kids has moderate hearing loss from birth. I prepare him every day to function in society and expect NOTHING to be handed to him. Instead he has to concentrate and focus more than other people. He'll have to work HARDER than the next guy to succeed in life.

Lyrian · November 2015

Slapshot1188 said:

OK. Can I ask what your degree is in? Your disabilities are a fact you live with so how did YOU prepare for life with them? One of my kids has moderate hearing loss from birth. I prepare him every day to function in society and expect NOTHING to be handed to him. Instead he has to concentrate and focus more than other people. He'll have to work HARDER than the next guy to succeed in life.

I can chime in here. I have hearing loss too, though I'd probably classify mine as mild-moderate (IIRC it's the top 20% range of the higher pitch freq.) It's definitely an extra bit of work required to make sure that you're on top of everything that an otherwise not hearing impaired person can do. But on the flip side, you do get very good at reading lips.

I can't say it was because of my hearing (though my parents did re-enforce having to work hard and be diligent speaking up if I couldn't hear), but all my life I've been told to study, work hard, not spend any money unnecessarily and I took it to heart. I've worked shit jobs cutting grass, landscaping, packing trucks, I even sought out shift work jobs because I knew it would be easier to get them.

I'll freely admit, once I got into college and started studying IT I did have a sense of entitlement. I wasn't going to even look at a job that paid less than 50k starting. Shortly after I finished school I found myself a job working shift work at an IT Security Operations job. Three and a half years later I've turned that experience into a Senior IT security job in another company.

But to move this back onto the topic of gaming, I'm again on the flip side. I think games will get more expensive especially once they start to cater to that group of people who is willing to pay more and get a better product. I'm hoping that someone looks at what EQLegends tried to do with premium subscriptions and finds a way to make it work today.

The only way I can see the gaming industry crashing, is if they keep on their current path with slow and stale releases. We need more games, with more content, faster. Remember the days when we had five or six blockbusters a year? We might have what, zero to one a year now?

Gdemami · November 2015

Distopia said:
Why do people make it out that it's so easy to just up and move? you need to be able to afford to do that, Simply moving from one area in Maryland to another cost a very hefty sum for my wife and I, moving across the country for 15 bucks an hour? LMAO...good point indeed..

I agree you need to work hard to get by, that's the extent of any point there..

Because it is easy. It is just a matter whether you are willing to do what it takes.

All you need to move out is big bag and a money for a bus ticket, you can even hitchhike...

Flyte27 · November 2015

The ironic part of this thread is all the people saying to work hard, study, etc,m and the majority of the people in the other threads are saying video games need to be as easy and convenient as possible to accommodate them.

exile01 · November 2015

Gameing is luxury and a usless timewaster. In top countrys like mine- are gamers still socialy unaccepted, especially MMO-Gamers. Either you use that time to make a game/develop coding skills, work in a company that makes one. but be a consumer- is socially disgraceful since you do not get any real life benefit/ or those benefits are so smal like non-existant.

Gaming is one of the few but most toxic ways to waste your life. All those esport pros wouldnt have a single chance in my country to get a good job , even if they made a million ea year. It doesnt look good in your CV when you state you played games in that phase. You will have a very shitty time after your esport carrier.

The more the country is developed the more hefty are the consequences for wasting your time in pixels.

Flyte27 · November 2015

exile01 said:

Gameing is luxury and a usless timewaster. In top countrys like mine- are gamers still socialy unaccepted, especially MMO-Gamers. Either you use that time to make a game/develop coding skills, work in a company that makes one. but be a consumer- is socially disgraceful since you do not get any real life benefit/ or those benefits are so smal like non-existant.

Gaming is one of the few but most toxic ways to waste your life. All those esport pros wouldnt have a single chance in my country to get a good job , even if they made a million ea year. It doesnt look good in your CV when you state you played games in that phase. You will have a very shitty time after your esport carrier.

The more the country is developed the more hefty are the consequences for wasting your time in pixels.

I suppose that is true, but it wasn't was waste for me. I struggled with communication skills as a child and gaming helped me to fit in and have fun with others. Perhaps that's why I've always clung to it even in an age where gaming is considered a waste of time. That and sports were my only real way to communicate as a kid. I could barely think of anything to say and was extremely shy on top of that. I also believe that anything you are having fun with isn't a waste of time. The biggest waste of time is having to spend time on things we don't enjoy to pay the bills. It's a fairly sad world. The only exception to this is when doing things that are actually helping us, but we don't know it. Like people complain about doing the everyday household chores, but they are both good activity for the body and good for the mind. So are things like walking, running, or many other activities in life you don't get paid to do.

Gdemami · November 2015

Torval said:
That might depend on where you live. In the US it's a bygone romantic notion. Here you need to have an established address and phone at a bare minimum. Good jobs aren't easy to come by. Jobs, like corporate franchises, that don't pay a living wage aren't as hard to get.

Being able to do that means you need enough money to put down rent (first, last, and security deposit), phone and utilities deposit, and afford to buy groceries and pay bills for several months without new income. I would estimate that someone should have at least $5000, if not more to try that move. That's assuming you can evern get a place to rent because most renting typically requires a background check, credit check, and proof of employment. Additionally, just picking up and going some place is a huge risk where the consequences for failure could mean homeless and loss of all that you've worked for.

Don't confuse the belligerent entitlement of the OP with how easy the job market is. It's not. It's pretty brutal and unfair. The cost of living in the US is pretty insane as well.

Revolutionary idea - get a job before moving out...

You can get a room, dorm, w/e, you do not to rent a place right away. Again, it is easy but very few will do what it takes - lots of discomfort, lots of compromises.

Gdemami · November 2015

Torval said:
Someone can't just get a room or dorm or "whatever" without the requirements I mentioned before.

Now, you are being ridiculous...

You peffectly demonstrate my point and others were making. You are thinking about moving out while keeping all your comfort - you want a nice place to live before you even have a job, you want to move comfortly with all your belongings, you want safety cushion of 5k bucks, etc. you want everything so you can keep quality of life you had and then complain how hard it actually is.

You simply do not want to sacrify and/or do anything for better life.

Fair enough, no problem with that but then do not complain about having poor job.

Axehilt · November 2015

Flyte27 said:

The ironic part of this thread is all the people saying to work hard, study, etc,m and the majority of the people in the other threads are saying video games need to be as easy and convenient as possible to accommodate them.

You're just confused is all.

Convenience is always desirable, especially in entertainment where the point is to be entertained (not to be inconvenienced.) But just because you can fast-travel to a boss fight that doesn't make the boss easy, it merely makes it convenient to get to.

Similarly, convenience in real life is desirable. Owning a car will make reaching work more convenient, but it's not going to make your job easier. But if you could discover something that would make your job more convenient -- like coding an automation tool to help test computer software -- then that is actually highly advantageous to your work and your career.

Axehilt · November 2015

exile01 said:

Gameing is luxury and a usless timewaster. In top countrys like mine- are gamers still socialy unaccepted, especially MMO-Gamers. Either you use that time to make a game/develop coding skills, work in a company that makes one. but be a consumer- is socially disgraceful since you do not get any real life benefit/ or those benefits are so smal like non-existant.

Gaming is one of the few but most toxic ways to waste your life. All those esport pros wouldnt have a single chance in my country to get a good job , even if they made a million ea year. It doesnt look good in your CV when you state you played games in that phase. You will have a very shitty time after your esport carrier.

The more the country is developed the more hefty are the consequences for wasting your time in pixels.

Bad news: your opinion is becoming more dated by the year.

For starters, people who enjoy Football, Soccer, and similar sports (which are games) have been in the majority for years. So it's been socially accepted for years.

And when it comes to games without physical challenges, those have been growing substantially each year. For example this is the viewership of LoL World Championships by year:

Year 1 (2011): 150k unique viewers
Year 2: 8.2 million peak viewers
Year 3: 32 million peak viewers

If you feel happier as a dreary worker drone, go for it. I think probably more people are happier with a lot of gaming in their life.

As the saying goes "Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time."

Darkcrystal · November 2015

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

Most people can afford games60 buck has been the normal price for years,so not sure what your whinig about.... Alot of kids are lazy today I was an auto mechanic they make 40-150k a year and guess what there is a shortage because its a hard working job and kids are to lazy to work with there hands today, they complain yet there is job out there like this... and they make a great living, I would still be doing it if I never got cancer, but I did it for 20 years and loved it...

Thank God I did it because I was able to medically retire because of that job.. at 39..

Loke666 · November 2015

Gdemami said:

Distopia said:
Why do people make it out that it's so easy to just up and move? you need to be able to afford to do that, Simply moving from one area in Maryland to another cost a very hefty sum for my wife and I, moving across the country for 15 bucks an hour? LMAO...good point indeed..

I agree you need to work hard to get by, that's the extent of any point there..

Because it is easy. It is just a matter whether you are willing to do what it takes.

All you need to move out is big bag and a money for a bus ticket, you can even hitchhike...

Moving is actually pretty hard, but not really for economical reasons. The social aspect like moving away from friends to a place you don't really know is harder, I moved 300 clicks north myself this summer to a place I only passed through a time or 2 before for a work. Lucky for me they have a P&P club so I already have plenty of new friends but if your shy it must be really tough.

Flyte27 said:

The ironic part of this thread is all the people saying to work hard, study, etc,m and the majority of the people in the other threads are saying video games need to be as easy and convenient as possible to accommodate them.

Well, personally I do like challenging games but I can understand that people who have a really hard work they spend most their time on might want to play to relax instead of challenging themselves like I enjoy... It really isn't that illogical if you think about it.

CrazKanuk · November 2015

Axehilt said:

exile01 said:

Gameing is luxury and a usless timewaster. In top countrys like mine- are gamers still socialy unaccepted, especially MMO-Gamers. Either you use that time to make a game/develop coding skills, work in a company that makes one. but be a consumer- is socially disgraceful since you do not get any real life benefit/ or those benefits are so smal like non-existant.

Gaming is one of the few but most toxic ways to waste your life. All those esport pros wouldnt have a single chance in my country to get a good job , even if they made a million ea year. It doesnt look good in your CV when you state you played games in that phase. You will have a very shitty time after your esport carrier.

The more the country is developed the more hefty are the consequences for wasting your time in pixels.

Bad news: your opinion is becoming more dated by the year.

For starters, people who enjoy Football, Soccer, and similar sports (which are games) have been in the majority for years. So it's been socially accepted for years.

And when it comes to games without physical challenges, those have been growing substantially each year. For example this is the viewership of LoL World Championships by year:
Year 1 (2011): 150k unique viewers
Year 2: 8.2 million peak viewers
Year 3: 32 million peak viewers
If you feel happier as a dreary worker drone, go for it. I think probably more people are happier with a lot of gaming in their life.

As the saying goes "Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time."

Just for some additional context to that, in 2014 the numbers for the LoL WC were down to 27 million, but it was still higher than the viewership of any other North American sports final, by nearly double.
World Series: 15.8 Million
NBA Championship: 15.5 Million
World Cup (in North America): 26.5 Million
Daytona 500: 9.3 million

Don't know what it means, just interesting.

nariusseldon · November 2015

Flyte27 said:

The ironic part of this thread is all the people saying to work hard, study, etc,m and the majority of the people in the other threads are saying video games need to be as easy and convenient as possible to accommodate them.

What is the problem? You don't think work and study is like entertainment do you?

Now i have admit .. some jobs are like a hobby (like research) but still .. you have to do what must be done to move ahead.

Entertainment .. not so much. If i am not enjoying any entertainment product for whatever reason (inconvenience, demand too much time ...), is there a good reason why i need to bear with it? I don't think so.

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