Black Desert - My thoughts - Game Flow SUCKS!!!

time007 · December 2015

As a long time gamer I wanted to give my thoughts on Black Desert having played it:

Graphics - a bit grainy. I would rank it slightly below GW2 but above FFXIV: ARR. Obviously much better than ESO (which I consider terrible looking when stacked against GW2 & FFXIV:ARR): EDIT: Fixed my graphics card issue and setting. The game looks great. The best part of this game hands down.

Combat - fun, exciting, definitely worth checking it out

UI - Get ready for a HEADACHE. Font = butt ugly. asian asian asian I have a headache because of these asian ui's!!!!!! why use that font! why are asian UI's so unfriendly. I need an advil. I they got their UI design and styling from NES rpgs....still can't get over how these asian companies use this butt ugly text for peoples names and chat and it CANT be changed. holy crap this is the same font i used in emails i wrote in the 1990s...

Crafting - honestly I found harvesting to be a bit of a pain due to the graininess of the graphics and the targetting of everything

Long term, I will probably buy Black Desert but just to hold out until Camelot Unchained comes out. This game has complexity to it that will make it playable plus its buy to play so the people playing the game should be somewhat civil

***Major sucky point:*****

this game stops you for everything. if you like smooth gameplay, be prepared to have the brakes put on for many normal activities. Cutscenes, menus, stop and go, stop and go, 2-4 second wind up to auto run, etc. I had this same issue with Phantasy Star online. The game flow just gets stopped all the time. O.o When I was running around the game world, i felt like I was driving a car. "oops overshot it, let me put it into reverse and wheel around. oops missed a corner, gotta swing her around" O.o I might retract my long term statement of wanting to buy this game haha. I will keep playing through the CBT and OBT but the game flow stoppage is just HORRIBLY annoying.

EDIT: Further notes:
*Another small downside is the game is empty about 2 minutes out of town/away from roads. What this mean is, you run out of a town/hub, go exploring, but after 2-4 waves/sets of monsters its all empty scenery. There are shrubs and stuff to harvest, but there are no mobs at all. You can run over a mountain ala Skyrim but with only scenery/shrubbery. Like there aren't mobs once you run for about 2 minutes off to the side. Though the world is big land wise. Maybe they could add more mobs and some broken down carts or villagers getting jacked to fill in all the space. But its Closed beta so what to expect.

Daikuru · December 2015

I dont know what graphic settings you use, but i would say that the graphics in Black Desert are better than GW2s, you can use different filters (im using no filter, which is not standard, you can change it in the options), also the UI seems a little overloaded, but its freely adjustable, you can turn off whatever you dont like or move it somewhere else.

rugrobertilie · December 2015

1st problem , a game being buy to play dose not make the community civil , at all .
2nd problem , Black Deserts combat is not fun , at all , it's grind over grind over grind.
3rd problem , horses do not have a 360 instant turn weal , they're very realistic.

rojoArcueid · December 2015

Love the combat, the animations, the climbing everywhere, the graphics (even though i cant run it on ultra due to my outdated card...).

HATE the boring quests. Developers really need to find a new way to innovate or improve level progression. Ill keep playing the betas to see how the game improves. If by launch date the pve leveling is as generic as it is right now i might not buy the game for that sole reason. Im tired of leveling up through boring chores.

observer · December 2015

rojoArcueid said:

Love the combat, the animations, the climbing everywhere, the graphics (even though i cant run it on ultra due to my outdated card...).

HATE the boring quests. Developers really need to find a new way to innovate or improve level progression. Ill keep playing the betas to see how the game improves. If by launch date the pve leveling is as generic as it is right now i might not buy the game for that sole reason. Im tired of leveling up through boring chores.

Agreed on questing. Devs need to stop having quest hubs as the main form of progression. This is what killed Archeage for me. I don't even want to see side-quests anymore. I'm fine with major questlines and story quests though. I really like what Swtor has done in this regards recently. They have their major story quests and class quests highlighted, and all the others can be ignored.

holdenhamlet · December 2015

The graphics being "grainy" is something on your end.

As for the "stop-and-go" gameplay- uh, I didn't notice anything very different from every other MMO.

Weird complaints I haven't seen before.

Khebeln · December 2015

Try running in 4k its crystal clear then :P

Copperfield · December 2015

lol.. saying gw2 has better grafhics then black desert makes your post very legit..

omg..

Forum warrrior lol

Jakik · December 2015

observer said:

rojoArcueid said:

Love the combat, the animations, the climbing everywhere, the graphics (even though i cant run it on ultra due to my outdated card...).

HATE the boring quests. Developers really need to find a new way to innovate or improve level progression. Ill keep playing the betas to see how the game improves. If by launch date the pve leveling is as generic as it is right now i might not buy the game for that sole reason. Im tired of leveling up through boring chores.

Agreed on questing. Devs need to stop having quest hubs as the main form of progression. This is what killed Archeage for me. I don't even want to see side-quests anymore. I'm fine with major questlines and story quests though. I really like what Swtor has done in this regards recently. They have their major story quests and class quests highlighted, and all the others can be ignored.

The fastest way to progress your character is by killing stuff... Questing is actually an extremely SLOW way to progress your character, at least level wise.

The main quests come from your black spirit so essentially you could ignore all quests and only do those just like you are wanting.

It's funny how people complain about "boring" quests yet ive never seen any actual suggestions on how to make them not boring. Everquest back in the day had the best questing of any game in my opinion. You had to actually find the quests, use dialog to get the quest, and track the quest and your progression on your own. WoW ruined that by making quests brainless and require as little work as possible. Thus you have todays questing systems.

wyldmagik · December 2015

whta is this "grainy gfx" talk? I don't have any grainy looking gfx in BDO, it stands up to gw2 gfx easy and in a lot of cases much better looking. To say it is better than ESO gfx and that is not hard is so wrong. The lighting may be good in BDO but I tend to thing ESO's lighting is much better. Although fair play to the sunrise and sunset visuals in BDO they are very nice.

heerobya · December 2015

Shiny graphics, spammy combat, recycled gameplay, yep, must be an Eastern made MMO!

Really makes you appreciate how good FFXIV is for NOT being just another typical "Asian grinder" game.

straider100 · December 2015

black deset disappoint me.. this game is truly bad :X only what i liked it was graphic and craft

i think. what can i say pvp and pve it wasss really really Disgusting Disgusting too many mmoman people are deceived this graphic and combat :S:X:X:

Mikeha · December 2015

DMKano said:

You can easily get several weeks of fun playing casually. To me thats all I ask out of any game.

The current problems remain - lack of dungeons, lack of PvE end game content. Engame PvP is mediocre and needs a better risk vs reward system.

They said they are working on it but nothing to show so far.

Potential is there, but if they don't release with more endgame PvE masses will leave in 4-6 weeks post launch as majority don't PvP.

I thought they added dungeons? Steparu has some vidoes of a couple dungeons if I remember correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhMEPyQWNQw

Sovrath · December 2015

I think the graphics are an issue on your end. I'm running on low because at high I get little hitches, but still it looks amazing. I would say it's above guild wars and is easily the best looking mmo on the market at the highest settings.

I agree that the running takes time to get used to.

If you ignore the black spirit (as it obviously wants to stop you after you kill 3 things) you can get better "flow'.

In truth just take control of your experience and you will find it works FAR better.

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kdchan · December 2015

Really OP, what do you expect? I played it too yesterday and unistalled after 6 hours, i had a conate. It is the same crappy grindfest hub quest and gear based RNG corean mmo.

Having a nice graphic don't make unfortunately a mmo different if the content is all the same of the other 1000000000000000000 clones.
These people will never learn and continue to release these horrible sologrindfest with the same stagnating formula. They just pick up the same content, change the graphic, make some new cinematic and voilà, the new mmo is ready.

Damn, i want Darkfall back so bad, i'm really sick of all these amusement park brawlers masked as a mmorpg, or worst masked as sandbox.

goboygo · December 2015

wyldmagik said:

whta is this "grainy gfx" talk? I don't have any grainy looking gfx in BDO, it stands up to gw2 gfx easy and in a lot of cases much better looking. To say it is better than ESO gfx and that is not hard is so wrong. The lighting may be good in BDO but I tend to thing ESO's lighting is much better. Although fair play to the sunrise and sunset visuals in BDO they are very nice.

Agreed, ESO's lighting is unmatched in an MMO. The reason people think ESO has "bad" graphics is because its not all bubbly and bright and over lite with ambient light. Allot of people equate bright colors to good graphics.

I remember people thinking AION had "awesome" graphics. AION had terrible in game texturing almost no shadows (barely visible), and horrific in game lighting. All they did was make their game overly bright with ambient light cranked up the bloom and fog and people went gaga over it. AION had completely average graphics at best, but they were also one of the first MMO's to offer an over the top character creation system, which people somehow connected to its graphics, even though it was a one time event.

I have honestly never seen a Korean MMO with what I consider good graphics, character creation Barbie dress up doesn't count, its a one time event., Im talking about the game world Archeage isn't bad and I'm certain Black Desert is really good, I just haven't played it yet.

For example I have never considered this good graphics at any point in time.

flizzer · December 2015

There are people who love Wow graphics. I remember when Warlords of Draenor was coming out and people were swooning over the screenshots. I couldn't believe I was looking at the same thing as these people. I find WoW horrible looking , yet I am obviously in the minority. So much of this is personal opinion. Of course, art style plays a big role in this often when people talk about graphics in a game.

rvhausen · December 2015

Not in the beta, but just a thought re: grainy grpahics - is there a texture detail slider of some sort in the settings? I used to think Neverwinter had the most horribly muddy graphics, then discovered the detail level was at something like 60% by default. Once at 100% it looked just fine (nat.)

azurrei · December 2015

Funny how the vast majority of successful/popular MMO's have some of the worst graphics in terms of being "realistic"...maybe one day we will have an MMO as pretty as Black Desert that is not a steaming pile of boredom. Gameplay>>>>Graphics will always win out in the end.

Sovrath · December 2015

azurrei said:

Gameplay>>>>Graphics will always win out in the end.

See, to me that isn't necessarily the case as I'm looking for an immersive world where I can make my own game play.

Sure, I can endure bad art design or graphics but if a game came out where I was just dumped in the world and left to my own devices, hopefully with many dungeons to explore and not one quest that would probably be the perfect game for me.

I think that's why I like Black Desert as so far I can ignore most of the quests and it has an immersive world (at least thus far).

I realize that they only have two dungeons (that I know about) in the Korean version so here's to hoping for more.

holdenhamlet · December 2015

DMKano said:

You can easily get several weeks of fun playing casually. To me thats all I ask out of any game.

The current problems remain - lack of dungeons, lack of PvE end game content. Engame PvP is mediocre and needs a better risk vs reward system.

They said they are working on it but nothing to show so far.

Potential is there, but if they don't release with more endgame PvE masses will leave in 4-6 weeks post launch as majority don't PvP.

They recently added dungeons and added additions to PvP (like the Outlaw town) in the KR version.

If nothing else it seems clear they are working on these very issues.

holdenhamlet · December 2015

rvhausen said:

Not in the beta, but just a thought re: grainy grpahics - is there a texture detail slider of some sort in the settings? I used to think Neverwinter had the most horribly muddy graphics, then discovered the detail level was at something like 60% by default. Once at 100% it looked just fine (nat.)

For me, Anti-aliasing was turned off by default. But to fix that I just turned it on...

time007 · December 2015

*Another small downside is the game is empty about 2 minutes out of town/away from roads. What this mean is, you run out of a town/hub, go exploring, but after 2-4 waves/sets of monsters its all empty scenery. There are shrubs and stuff to harvest, but there are no mobs at all. You can run over a mountain ala Skyrim but with only scenery/shrubbery. Like there aren't mobs once you run for about 2 minutes off to the side. Though the world is big land wise. Maybe they could add more mobs and some broken down carts or villagers getting jacked to fill in all the space. But its Closed beta so what to expect. (i added this to the OP)

As for the comments about the game feeling like driving a car, i wasn't talking about a horse. I meant, everything requires a wind-up. Like when a pitcher pitches a ball. You want to pick something up? you target it, press the action button, then you bend over. you want to loot it, press the action button. targeting loot could be made easier, and the bend over process. But the game is full of little nuisances like this that kill game flow. In the end, its an Asian game, and as an American i'm more accustomed to our mmo flow. I suppose when Asians play American games, it feels different than what they are accustomed to.

But i dont like the fact when you talk to someone, it effectively stops you from doing anything. You have to go through the chat process while doing nothing else. I'd rather have a menu open up or something so i can keep my inventory open and keep viewing the environment around me. hence my comparison to PSO and flow killing nuances.

Manestream · December 2015

I have to agree with some points here too. Game flow does suck.
Things hopefully will change before it release's. But hey its a Korean game, i don't expect much from those as there more or less the same thing.

holdenhamlet · December 2015

time007 said:

*Another small downside is the game is empty about 2 minutes out of town/away from roads. What this mean is, you run out of a town/hub, go exploring, but after 2-4 waves/sets of monsters its all empty scenery. There are shrubs and stuff to harvest, but there are no mobs at all. You can run over a mountain ala Skyrim but with only scenery/shrubbery. Like there aren't mobs once you run for about 2 minutes off to the side. Though the world is big land wise. Maybe they could add more mobs and some broken down carts or villagers getting jacked to fill in all the space. But its Closed beta so what to expect. (i added this to the OP)

As for the comments about the game feeling like driving a car, i wasn't talking about a horse. I meant, everything requires a wind-up. Like when a pitcher pitches a ball. You want to pick something up? you target it, press the action button, then you bend over. you want to loot it, press the action button. targeting loot could be made easier, and the bend over process. But the game is full of little nuisances like this that kill game flow. In the end, its an Asian game, and as an American i'm more accustomed to our mmo flow. I suppose when Asians play American games, it feels different than what they are accustomed to.

But i dont like the fact when you talk to someone, it effectively stops you from doing anything. You have to go through the chat process while doing nothing else. I'd rather have a menu open up or something so i can keep my inventory open and keep viewing the environment around me. hence my comparison to PSO and flow killing nuances.

The things you're complaining about were added on purpose to increase the immersion, like bending over to pick up stuff or focusing on the person you're talking to. I'm assuming spoken dialogue is going to be added since many of the times you talked to people in the RU version there was spoken dialogue.

For me, these are good things. I'd rather feel like I was living in a virtual world than just run through everything furiously multi-tasking clicking pop-up boxes like WoW.

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