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Is the grind too much?
l2avism
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The grind is making me lose hope in this game.
I think most people will quit the game around t5.
Crafting is also very broken. You literally have to give away what you make because nobody will pay anything for it.
I think most people will quit the game around t5.
Crafting is also very broken. You literally have to give away what you make because nobody will pay anything for it.
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It takes about 5 times longer without a premium account.
I think what's happening is people are buying gold from Sandbox and using that to buy the materials to farm rep through crafting and then trying to dump the stuff they crafted on the market.
It's so bad now that you have day 1 nubs buying t5 equipment from the market and asking in global why they can't use it yet. People are literally giving things away.
From the outside looking in and why I'm still waiting to see what happens, the game needs more to do outside of the straight forward grinds, the board needs to be reworked and over things need to be looked at as to how enjoyable they are and if they'll keep folks coming back. All of which seems to be in the works, they aren't oblivious to feedback.
These games need a grind as there isn't an "end game" to do as the end game is the same thing happening all the time.
Overall, looks like the game still has growing to do and will hopefully happen sooner than later.
Add to the fact you have to kill literally thousands of mobs to proceed from T4 and the end result is either join a big guild or GTFO.
The developers are looking into it and the current solution seems to be both reducing the fame requirements of T4+ and to allow gaining combat experience from 1 tier below your current tier. This would mean you could comfortably grind to T5 before you would again be forced to join a big guild to progress, so the solution is rather temporary.
It'll be interesting to see how and if the devs are going to help smaller guilds stay in the game, or if that is their goal at all.
You said it "literally" takes 3 whole days to do so and that is just wrong unless you are 100% solo in green zones farming things that were just farmed for the lowest amount of fame possible.
Although, "literally" is like OMG over used these days like for realz.... /s
Can the grind, progress, board all be adjusted? Of course and that is what they are doing. Game isn't finished. You're not the first to say it is too much.
Beyond t4 and especially t5 it seems to really slow down, but there isn't an easy way to fix it as no matter what, there will be large efficient guilds and players with a lot of time rushing to "the end." As it is, at least others have some sort of chance to catch up at a point, even if they are 1% into t6 and others are 50%.
So no guilds of any size have started territory wars yet? Gotcha.
The map is full of lies...
"Real fun" begins at t4. Man it must suck for everyone playing currently, all that time and no fun at all. Considering that people can get to t4 in 1-2 play sessions, not that crazy. Beforehand is basically the tutorial extended.
Seems yellow is viable for a while, but going into red either a lone or small group doesn't equal instant death.
At the same time, game is supposed to have a focus on GvG and larger group sizes. Attempting to solo t1-8 probably not the best way to play, but still see people running around in red zones PVPing, gathering, PVEing just fine.
Sounds like they are going to add in solo/small group content for PVE along with PVP more than they have already.
No one is forced to do anything. Seems to be the typical situation of people expecting their preferred style of play in every single game and having issue when they can't do X when the game calls for Y.
Don't want to go in red zones and lose your stuff solo? Don't. There are solutions for the problems, even though the devs are attempting to decrease the issues some are having.
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Still, as everything will be wiped before launch, I think I'll just try out different weapons to T4 and then put the game to the back burner. As soon as they fix the war camps our guild is also going to try out the territory wars a bit. There's no point investing countless hours to grind to the higher tiers, as you'll be back at zero in about two months.
You can't really comment on lower resources as the beta economy will be different than a launch economy. This is literally a copy paste of eve but with a worst map (since there can only be 4 entrances in albion). Plenty of "crafters", haulers, and miners made a living in safe zone.
I am not a crafter or gather so I can't really talk about why the current mechanics are actually boring. But combat is extremely boring in pve. Skill shots are a much needed thing but doubt will happen.
I just don't get why people want to change every single game to be another generic one, I don't some things about this game, probably won't play it unless they change what I want, but its okay that people are enjoying this. Niche games are okay, not everything needs to cater to the late 90s early 2000s mmorpg players that grew up and want to lie to themselves about still being hardcore just with less free time on their hands.
see WoW. first raids have been "too hard" (classic, MC prequest and co), and in the end they cry because "everyone completed the game" (LFR... lol,whatever guys...)
some people simply like to complain, THAT is their mmo. not the games they play :awesome:
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I played this in Pre-Alpha in 2014 and got a refund since things didn't or will not change.
You WILL spend lots of TIME if not REAL cash to get things done in this game...sadly.
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The problem is this game IS A GENERIC ONE.
NO!!!!
Sandbox has nothing to do with grind. Too much grind is a symptom of a themepark with a lack of content.
Sandbox is about choice and not about grind.
I'm leaving albion and going back to shadowbane.
I mean, in a game where your gear decay and you can lose it after a fight, you need to have a fast replacement, now if crafting gear is tedious and require hours of grind, then everybody will get bored fast and leave.Timesink is really detrimental to these games.
In game like UO gear don't give your an enourmous advantage but only an edge, also is easy to gather resources and craft is simple, or if you aren't a crafter you can easy buy from other player in the market place.
Designing a game around resources grind and gear to progress mean is very bad designed. Sandbox should focus on player driven content, territory control and clan warfare, not how much you grind.
Hope devs will correct this aspect before the release or they will lose tons of players. Even Darkfall understand this part.
B2P is a great step ahead, in these competitive games everyone should have access to the same stuff and not only who buy more from the cash shop. So i'm ok with a B2P model.
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