- Launch of a classic EU server confirmed; Pre-orders starting in Autumn
- Game will be subscription based; Price to be announced closer to launch
- EU L2 Classic Server will NOT be available to NA / SA players (IP bans will be in place)
I'm really disappointed to hear the news about the NA / SA IP ban.....been looking forward to this for months. NCSoft West is likely to blame.
Yes, you can probably use proxys & currency conversion services to get around this....but is it worth it? Considering the amount of time required for a classic server (low exp & adena rates), is the investment worth it if technically you could be banned on any given day for nothing more than connecting to the game?
- Launch of a classic EU server confirmed; Pre-orders starting in Autumn
- Game will be subscription based; Price to be announced closer to launch
- EU L2 Classic Server will NOT be available to NA / SA players (IP bans will be in place)
I'm really disappointed to hear the news about the NA / SA IP ban.....been looking forward to this for months. NCSoft West is likely to blame.
Yes, you can probably use proxys & currency conversion services to get around this....but is it worth it? Considering the amount of time required for a classic server (low exp & adena rates), is the investment worth it if technically you could be banned on any given day for nothing more than connecting to the game?
Bummer!
It isn't very hard to just play with a VPN, it's how I was playing on the JP servers.
- Launch of a classic EU server confirmed; Pre-orders starting in Autumn
- Game will be subscription based; Price to be announced closer to launch
- EU L2 Classic Server will NOT be available to NA / SA players (IP bans will be in place)
I'm really disappointed to hear the news about the NA / SA IP ban.....been looking forward to this for months. NCSoft West is likely to blame.
Yes, you can probably use proxys & currency conversion services to get around this....but is it worth it? Considering the amount of time required for a classic server (low exp & adena rates), is the investment worth it if technically you could be banned on any given day for nothing more than connecting to the game?
- Launch of a classic EU server confirmed; Pre-orders starting in Autumn
- Game will be subscription based; Price to be announced closer to launch
- EU L2 Classic Server will NOT be available to NA / SA players (IP bans will be in place)
I'm really disappointed to hear the news about the NA / SA IP ban.....been looking forward to this for months. NCSoft West is likely to blame.
Yes, you can probably use proxys & currency conversion services to get around this....but is it worth it? Considering the amount of time required for a classic server (low exp & adena rates), is the investment worth it if technically you could be banned on any given day for nothing more than connecting to the game?
Too little, too late. How do they expect to have sub on 10-11 year old game while you have games like TESO/Gw2/TERA/Skyforge/SWTOR B2P/F2P. The business model is ludicrous It will kill the game
I would rather pay to play L2 classic than any of those games you listed for free.
Same here. None of those easy mode arcade MMOs interest me in the slightest. Too bad they ruined the official L2 as well. I tried it some time ago and the quest grind was as bad as in WoW, maybe even worse.
What we need now is a couple of modern MMOs that plays like the old ones, but it looks like gaming companies are obsessed with the idea everything must be easy and accessible. It's easy to say that's what people want when there's no real alternatives. Fortunately, there are some servers we can't discuss here, and now the upcoming L2 classic server.
Too bad it's click to move, but i guess i'll get used to it.
It isn't very hard to just play with a VPN, it's how I was playing on the JP servers.
Yes, many on the Innova forums have been saying the same thing.
That said....it's all based on an assumption that Innova won't follow through with executing a rule that prohibits players from NA / SA. Sure, they might not ban you....but I suppose they could at any given point if they wanted. Same goes with botters.....technically they are cheating & breaking TOS....but they also pay the bills. Botters largely go unaffected....until someone decides to actually enforce the rules and waves of them get the boot.
Not gonna put all that time and money into a game using a VPN only to get flagged 6 months or year later and get my account banned. Lineage 2 is a game where you have to put too much time and efford into to one day just have it taken.
It isn't very hard to just play with a VPN, it's how I was playing on the JP servers.
Yes, many on the Innova forums have been saying the same thing.
That said....it's all based on an assumption that Innova won't follow through with executing a rule that prohibits players from NA / SA. Sure, they might not ban you....but I suppose they could at any given point if they wanted. Same goes with botters.....technically they are cheating & breaking TOS....but they also pay the bills. Botters largely go unaffected....until someone decides to actually enforce the rules and waves of them get the boot.
I'll wait for more info before deciding.
You are wrong about the bots, the publisher this time is innova, not the useless NCSoft. If you try their servers you'll see that there are no bots around, they actually get banned. I wouldn't play again if the publisher was NCSoft.
Grass is always greener I recently tried going back to SWG, and even though it was the same game we loved. It just did not feel right anymore. Something huge was missing, the community. It was a community from a different time, a community that were friends and cared about each other. If EQ or SWG launched today with this entitled self-centered gamer generation they would have never be the games they had been. That true nerd community is gone now, and I doubt we will ever see it again.
Grass is always greener I recently tried going back to SWG, and even though it was the same game we loved. It just did not feel right anymore. Something huge was missing, the community. It was a community from a different time, a community that were friends and cared about each other. If EQ or SWG launched today with this entitled self-centered gamer generation they would have never be the games they had been. That true nerd community is gone now, and I doubt we will ever see it again.
Nothing wrong with this generation. The game you listed sucked. As I've said before, everything looks better in the rear view, even communism (DMKano pls...let me have it)
Also, at the times EQ and SWG were at their apex, users didn't know better. There was barely no competition at all.
Now competition is really strong and customers/players are being spoiled left and right with features. No old school MMO is going to work out believe it or not. Oh and just so we are clear. "Your generation" is still playing games. They play the games of the "self-centered gamer generation". And they are happy with them.
Perhaps you are at fault. Ever thought of that? Have you ever considered the fact that most MMOs nowadays do have difficult content, massive lore and combat that SWG/EQ could only dream about on a massive scale?
What's really bugging you? The fact that people don't beg for your heals anymore because developers changed the hard class dependency? Well hell, there are those games that require the trinity still. Why don't you play them for a change?
Grass is always greener I recently tried going back to SWG, and even though it was the same game we loved. It just did not feel right anymore. Something huge was missing, the community. It was a community from a different time, a community that were friends and cared about each other. If EQ or SWG launched today with this entitled self-centered gamer generation they would have never be the games they had been. That true nerd community is gone now, and I doubt we will ever see it again.
Yea, there is some truth to that.....Leon1e proves your point as well. (btw, communism never looks good in the rear view mirror)
I dusted off SWG not long ago and gave it a go for old times sake, and you're right....it was about the community, and is the difference maker when playing privately run versions of games we used to enjoy.
Exploring huge planets isn't as fun when there aren't privately run houses & shops to visit and find deals at. Building a support character isn't half as satisfying when there is no one to support, etc.
That said....the landscape of prospective customers in this MMORPG space of gaming is obviously different than it was 10 years ago. These types of games have had commercial success...and like most other things that get that much attention by people who are professionals at turning a profit.....the once unique genere of PC gaming has been boiled down to it's raw elements, re-designed & mass produced for maximum uptake.
Blizzard found a way to capitalize on the gold mine that Ultima Online discovered and the face of the MMORPG industry has never been the same since. We are JUST now getting to the point where AAA publishers are second guessing the massive multi-million dollar theme-park model....and where smaller independents are filling the gaps left behind.
There will never be another massive SWG / UO sandbox type of project. The audience is too small to re-coup the kind of money that is being spent on games like SW:TOR, Wildstar, etc. Any commercial success in this space will have to be something that is relatively low cost. Re-treading the tires on an existing IP with little to no overhead on developing art assets, content & infrastructure is one good way to save costs and deliver to a niche audience at profit.
Grass is always greener I recently tried going back to SWG, and even though it was the same game we loved. It just did not feel right anymore. Something huge was missing, the community. It was a community from a different time, a community that were friends and cared about each other. If EQ or SWG launched today with this entitled self-centered gamer generation they would have never be the games they had been. That true nerd community is gone now, and I doubt we will ever see it again.
Nothing wrong with this generation. The game you listed sucked. As I've said before, everything looks better in the rear view, even communism (DMKano pls...let me have it)
Also, at the times EQ and SWG were at their apex, users didn't know better. There was barely no competition at all.
Now competition is really strong and customers/players are being spoiled left and right with features. No old school MMO is going to work out believe it or not. Oh and just so we are clear. "Your generation" is still playing games. They play the games of the "self-centered gamer generation". And they are happy with them.
Perhaps you are at fault. Ever thought of that? Have you ever considered the fact that most MMOs nowadays do have difficult content, massive lore and combat that SWG/EQ could only dream about on a massive scale?
What's really bugging you? The fact that people don't beg for your heals anymore because developers changed the hard class dependency? Well hell, there are those games that require the trinity still. Why don't you play them for a change?
Stop looking back.
I've always found posts like these interesting.....why the need to isolate someone over the way they feel about a highly subjective form of entertainment?
There are plenty of folks that feel the games psiic listed DON'T suck.....otherwise, a team of people wouldn't have given their time & expertise...free of charge....to essentially re-code SWG from the ground up to get it operational again. Furthermore, you wouldn't see the private server following games like Ultima Online & Lineage 2 get if there wasn't a (albeit small) market for them.
The good news is that it's a good time to be an independent development house right now. The big AAA publishers haven't done so well on the big blockbuster budget releases and lots of smaller, more niche offerings are popping up for people looking for something more specific & deep than what you'd be able to get from something like WOW, Wildstar, SW:TOR, etc.
This should have launched earlier this year when it had hype. Now everybody getting ready for Black Desert and Blade and Soul.
I am sure L2 vets are all getting ready for BD and BS when classic is launching. They could wait 11 years, but now it lost hype.
Kinda yes... Though I did buy BDO (and loving the CBT1), I will also be playing L2C - I still love the old game and it'll use a lot of the old mechanics...
This should have launched earlier this year when it had hype. Now everybody getting ready for Black Desert and Blade and Soul.
I am sure L2 vets are all getting ready for BD and BS when classic is launching. They could wait 11 years, but now it lost hype.
L2 vets?
All the L2 Vets are still playing Lineage 2. Do you honestly think the L2 Vets that have put all these years into their characters are going leave them behind to come play this? LMAO
This should have launched earlier this year when it had hype. Now everybody getting ready for Black Desert and Blade and Soul.
I am sure L2 vets are all getting ready for BD and BS when classic is launching. They could wait 11 years, but now it lost hype.
L2 vets?
All the L2 Vets are still playing Lineage 2. Do you honestly think the L2 Vets that have put all these years into their characters are going leave them behind to come play this? LMAO
None of the people I played L2 with play anymore. After C5, interest waned for most of us. So not all L2 vets are still playing.
You and your people are not L2 Vets. Just because you use to play that does not mean you are a Vet.
Sure there are people like you that use to play and quit but like I said. Thats not a L2 Vet. Its just somebody that use to play L2.
The Vets are the people that have been playing for years and still currently play today.
I am the one that has been posting the Who Still Plays threads.
I am the one that post the Show your character threads.
I am the only one that really post anything related to L2.
This should have launched earlier this year when it had hype. Now everybody getting ready for Black Desert and Blade and Soul.
I am sure L2 vets are all getting ready for BD and BS when classic is launching. They could wait 11 years, but now it lost hype.
L2 vets?
All the L2 Vets are still playing Lineage 2. Do you honestly think the L2 Vets that have put all these years into their characters are going leave them behind to come play this? LMAO
None of the people I played L2 with play anymore. After C5, interest waned for most of us. So not all L2 vets are still playing.
You and your people are not L2 Vets. Just becuse you use to play that does not mean you are a Vet.
A Vet is somebody that has been playing something for a long time.
Sure there are people like you that use to play and quit but like I said. Thats not a L2 Vet. Its just somebody that use to play L2.
The Vets are the people thats been playing for years and still currently play today.
I am the one that has been posting the Who Still Plays threads.
I am the on that post the Show your character threads.
I am the only person that really post anything related to L2.
There are not L2 Vets on this site.
Being an active player of current casualized retail F2P L2 is a condition to qualify as L2 vet?
I used to play C1-C5 up to 20 hours a day when the game was hardcore, I wanted to play that game again, so I joined classic. It is much more L2 than retail.
You do not determine who is a vet and who is not.
If you want to call your selves L2 Vets then go ahead. You stoped playing in C5 which was almost 10 years ago but you are a L2 Vet?
This should have launched earlier this year when it had hype. Now everybody getting ready for Black Desert and Blade and Soul.
I am sure L2 vets are all getting ready for BD and BS when classic is launching. They could wait 11 years, but now it lost hype.
L2 vets?
All the L2 Vets are still playing Lineage 2. Do you honestly think the L2 Vets that have put all these years into their characters are going leave them behind to come play this? LMAO
None of the people I played L2 with play anymore. After C5, interest waned for most of us. So not all L2 vets are still playing.
You and your people are not L2 Vets. Just becuse you use to play that does not mean you are a Vet.
A Vet is somebody that has been playing something for a long time.
Sure there are people like you that use to play and quit but like I said. Thats not a L2 Vet. Its just somebody that use to play L2.
The Vets are the people thats been playing for years and still currently play today.
I am the one that has been posting the Who Still Plays threads.
I am the on that post the Show your character threads.
I am the only person that really post anything related to L2.
There are not L2 Vets on this site.
Being an active player of current casualized retail F2P L2 is a condition to qualify as L2 vet?
I used to play C1-C5 up to 20 hours a day when the game was hardcore, I wanted to play that game again, so I joined classic. It is much more L2 than retail.
You do not determine who is a vet and who is not.
If you want to call your selves L2 Vets then go ahead. You stoped playing in C5 which was almost 10 years ago but you are a L2 Vet?
I am done here. LMAO
Go play retail that is as hc as warcraft with getting free equip and buffs and leave us alone. C1-C5 was a long time ago, but it was a golden age of L2 that lasted for years.
Let me guess, you started post-kamael and now you have the guts to come here and act like a boss.
Take your childish lmao rofl swag bullshit and get lost
People seem to be living in an illusion where the old L2 is somekinda perfect world, it's not, it's so insanely grindy and boring, there's a reason it has one of the most advanced bots around, give it a month after launch and the server will be almost empty, the game will be impossible for solo players, nearly impossible for random groups, a bit easier for organised clans, ok for no-life clans, and perfect for those who launch a bot.
For those who say its doing great in korea - sorry i doubt it, probably 99% are bots, again sorry no numbers to back this up.
For those who say its doing great in russia - no its not. It has 4 server and 3 of them are in heavy decline ever since launch:
Eva - daily peak at 1k,
Maphr - daily peak 500,
Shillien - little over 1k,
and the main server Gran Kain - at a decent 3k+ daily.
I sign this. I wonder why people get so excited about a really lame and cheat-pested asia-grinder.
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Update on Innova's L2 Classic Server:
- Launch of a classic EU server confirmed; Pre-orders starting in Autumn
- Game will be subscription based; Price to be announced closer to launch
- EU L2 Classic Server will NOT be available to NA / SA players (IP bans will be in place)
I'm really disappointed to hear the news about the NA / SA IP ban.....been looking forward to this for months. NCSoft West is likely to blame.
Yes, you can probably use proxys & currency conversion services to get around this....but is it worth it? Considering the amount of time required for a classic server (low exp & adena rates), is the investment worth it if technically you could be banned on any given day for nothing more than connecting to the game?
Bummer!
Yep, I got the email the other day.
What we need now is a couple of modern MMOs that plays like the old ones, but it looks like gaming companies are obsessed with the idea everything must be easy and accessible. It's easy to say that's what people want when there's no real alternatives. Fortunately, there are some servers we can't discuss here, and now the upcoming L2 classic server.
Too bad it's click to move, but i guess i'll get used to it.
Yes, many on the Innova forums have been saying the same thing.
That said....it's all based on an assumption that Innova won't follow through with executing a rule that prohibits players from NA / SA. Sure, they might not ban you....but I suppose they could at any given point if they wanted. Same goes with botters.....technically they are cheating & breaking TOS....but they also pay the bills. Botters largely go unaffected....until someone decides to actually enforce the rules and waves of them get the boot.
I'll wait for more info before deciding.
Also, at the times EQ and SWG were at their apex, users didn't know better. There was barely no competition at all.
Now competition is really strong and customers/players are being spoiled left and right with features. No old school MMO is going to work out believe it or not. Oh and just so we are clear. "Your generation" is still playing games. They play the games of the "self-centered gamer generation". And they are happy with them.
Perhaps you are at fault. Ever thought of that? Have you ever considered the fact that most MMOs nowadays do have difficult content, massive lore and combat that SWG/EQ could only dream about on a massive scale?
What's really bugging you? The fact that people don't beg for your heals anymore because developers changed the hard class dependency? Well hell, there are those games that require the trinity still. Why don't you play them for a change?
Stop looking back.
I dusted off SWG not long ago and gave it a go for old times sake, and you're right....it was about the community, and is the difference maker when playing privately run versions of games we used to enjoy.
Exploring huge planets isn't as fun when there aren't privately run houses & shops to visit and find deals at. Building a support character isn't half as satisfying when there is no one to support, etc.
That said....the landscape of prospective customers in this MMORPG space of gaming is obviously different than it was 10 years ago. These types of games have had commercial success...and like most other things that get that much attention by people who are professionals at turning a profit.....the once unique genere of PC gaming has been boiled down to it's raw elements, re-designed & mass produced for maximum uptake.
Blizzard found a way to capitalize on the gold mine that Ultima Online discovered and the face of the MMORPG industry has never been the same since. We are JUST now getting to the point where AAA publishers are second guessing the massive multi-million dollar theme-park model....and where smaller independents are filling the gaps left behind.
There will never be another massive SWG / UO sandbox type of project. The audience is too small to re-coup the kind of money that is being spent on games like SW:TOR, Wildstar, etc. Any commercial success in this space will have to be something that is relatively low cost. Re-treading the tires on an existing IP with little to no overhead on developing art assets, content & infrastructure is one good way to save costs and deliver to a niche audience at profit.
I've always found posts like these interesting.....why the need to isolate someone over the way they feel about a highly subjective form of entertainment?
There are plenty of folks that feel the games psiic listed DON'T suck.....otherwise, a team of people wouldn't have given their time & expertise...free of charge....to essentially re-code SWG from the ground up to get it operational again. Furthermore, you wouldn't see the private server following games like Ultima Online & Lineage 2 get if there wasn't a (albeit small) market for them.
The good news is that it's a good time to be an independent development house right now. The big AAA publishers haven't done so well on the big blockbuster budget releases and lots of smaller, more niche offerings are popping up for people looking for something more specific & deep than what you'd be able to get from something like WOW, Wildstar, SW:TOR, etc.
L2 vets?
All the L2 Vets are still playing Lineage 2. Do you honestly think the L2 Vets that have put all these years into their characters are going leave them behind to come play this? LMAO
You and your people are not L2 Vets. Just because you use to play that does not mean you are a Vet.
Sure there are people like you that use to play and quit but like I said. Thats not a L2 Vet. Its just somebody that use to play L2.
The Vets are the people that have been playing for years and still currently play today.
I am the one that has been posting the Who Still Plays threads.
I am the one that post the Show your character threads.
I am the only one that really post anything related to L2.
There are not L2 Vets on this site.
If you want to call your selves L2 Vets then go ahead. You stoped playing in C5 which was almost 10 years ago but you are a L2 Vet?
I am done here. LMAO