I'll always miss SWG (pre-cu), every now and again I'll log into the emu, master another profession and then stop playing again. With it's minimal content, you need a large, active community to make it fun and that doesn't exist on the emu.
As for Warhammer, yeh, I enjoyed it but I still quit after 6 months. They did one thing right (group v group pvp) and got everything else wrong. Massive power gaps at endgame, pointless pve from start to finish (i know its a pvp game, but they devoted a lot of resources to pve and didn't do it right), no balancing mechanisms to deal with population imbalance, crazy lag during largescale fights (iirc we crashed the server during out first fortress fight). Game had potential but devs managed to miss the mark almost all the time.
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List is a joke without Vanguard on it--at the #1 spot.
How can you say that a game that lost 83% of its player base in the first few months after release should be #1? Even SOE, a group that will run a game into the ground, bury it and keep on digging up the corpse had to give up on it.
SWG was different of course, as that game was still healthy when it was closed. SOE was forced by the IP owner to shut the game down.
There were a lot of games that lasted longer with bigger player bases that Vanguard, such as CoH. It is hard for me to imagine Vanguard, with its checkered history, getting the #1 spot on this list.
I'm trying to understand why MxO got on this list. I could not even finish an hour of that slop before I threw the disc in the trash. I bought it out of the clearance rack at Best Buy for 5 bucks about two months after it released, and after playing it I realized my five bucks was gone forever. How that game made the 'top 5' is beyond me.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
Yeah, it always bugged me how EA never bothered making a decent F2P transition for WAR, especially since they already had an item shop implemented a good bit before it shut down, not to mention Tier 1 being free for a good long while. I think with a well fleshed out shop (costumes, mounts, pets, EXP pots, RvR Rank pots, etc.) it would have done pretty well since it's PvP was some of the best and would have easily drawn in and kept a healthy player base. Ah well, at least there's Return of Reckoning.
Would have liked to have seen Vanguard on the list. I get SWG and CoH being on there. Don't know much about Matrix or TR as I never played those.
Would have liked to have seen Vanguard on the list. I get SWG and CoH being on there. Don't know much about Matrix or TR as I never played those.
MxO was horrible. Yeah, it had a dedicated player base, but I knew a lot of people that played it less than 10 hours and gave up on it, including me. The only reason it lasted as long as it did was because SOE included it in their 'Station Pass'.
TR was actually a pretty good game. It had some rough spots, but overall it was pretty good, with a fun combat system. But it had a huge, huge problem that was intrinsic into its design, and IMO led to its downfall; there was only one bad guy. The Bane got pretty boring after a while. I could easily see most of the player base eventually just packing up because the bad guys got boring. And, since it was an NCsoft game, it had no chance to survive once their player base started falling. I really wanted to get a level cap in that game, but by the time I hit 47 (level cap 50) all my friends had quit playing, and after a week of trying to force myself to hit 48 solo, I just gave up.
One game I was glad to see get on this list was Warhammer Online. I was a strictly PvE guy in MMOs when I started playing WHO, but my friends persuaded me to try the battlefields and RvR, and even though they had flaws, they were AWESOME. Completely changed my view of MMO PvP. Now I am heavily involved in it in ESO, and I spent a lot of time in CoH doing PvP. WHO changed my view of PvP, and for that I am forever grateful.
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Motor City Online will always have a special place for me, Probably because it was my 1st experience with a MMO, i BET HALF OF YOU have never even heard of it. Im not a car racing game fan but something about this game was special, Maybe it was the cool 60's setting and the very passionate and active community that made this game amazing. Then again maybe it was awful steaming pile of shit. At the time it was the only MMO my 2003 gateway computer could run so....
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I really liked Tabula Rasa and IMO Shadowbane wasnt a bad game either.
I expected to see Shadowbane on the list, and was slightly disappointed that it wasnt.
Warhammer Online seemed like a stretch to me, but that's just my personal tastes.
Tabula Rasa came and went so quickly I didn't even get a chance to sink my teeth into it. I got to play it in beta and liked what I saw, but it didn't seem like the kind of game I had originally expected, and after all the publicized drama between Richard Garriot and NCSoft, I didn't expect it to be around long.
I never got a chance to play SWG. At the time that it first came out, we lost a lot of members from our EQ raiding guild to it, but I wasn't one of the early adopters. By the time I was actually interested, the original MMO that everyone loved had been destroyed with a bad expansion, but it sounds like I would have LOVED the original.
The way NCSoft handled both CoH/CoV AND Dungeon Runners seemed like a huge slap in the face to fans of both games. I won't touch another NCSoft published title.
Funny how more than one title on this very short list have NCSoft in common.
SWG does exist to some extent, however, City of Heroes being shutdown was the biggest slap in the face by any Game Developer.
Publisher. The devs had little to do with the closing of CoH. Damn, that one still smarts. I would love to see what Tabula Rasa could have become given the time to mature.
SWG are the BEST MMORPG EVER, i never forget the memorable moments in this game, but, FOR ME, another GREAT mmorpg shut down, is Auto Assault i LOVE AA and i've play it a lot of time untill beta testing..... i'm very sad for booth
Sure agree with Many especially Warhammer
But love to see a list of games that never made it past beta due to funding issues....seriously theirs a few good ones that be nice as well
Just wonder if the guys who Did Star wars Galaxies will hit a home Run on Crowfall and put everything else behind Im sure they feel the pain worse then anyone
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
VG:SoH was an absolute blockbuster. It was both too far ahead of its' time and too dated and buggy to make a lasting impact. The crafting was phenomenal. The open world exploration was fantastic. The class variation was outstanding. It was the true successor to Everquest 1.
I feel that the game can be saved with a graphical update, minor bug fixes, and gameplay tweaks. If Daybreak would take the money they're plugging into the "Free Realms 2" abortion that is Everquest Next and instead invest it into revitalizing Vanguard I feel that they might have a cash cow worthy of a AAA title.
SWG does exist to some extent, however, City of Heroes being shutdown was the biggest slap in the face by any Game Developer.
Publisher. The devs had little to do with the closing of CoH. Damn, that one still smarts. I would love to see what Tabula Rasa could have become given the time to mature.
FYI, people shorthand devs when they mean publisher. Learn that. Next time you see devs and want to inject publisher you will understand the shorthand and don't have to correct people.
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SWG does exist to some extent, however, City of Heroes being shutdown was the biggest slap in the face by any Game Developer.
Publisher. The devs had little to do with the closing of CoH. Damn, that one still smarts. I would love to see what Tabula Rasa could have become given the time to mature.
FYI, people shorthand devs when they mean publisher. Learn that. Next time you see devs and want to inject publisher you will understand the shorthand and don't have to correct people.
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As for Warhammer, yeh, I enjoyed it but I still quit after 6 months. They did one thing right (group v group pvp) and got everything else wrong. Massive power gaps at endgame, pointless pve from start to finish (i know its a pvp game, but they devoted a lot of resources to pve and didn't do it right), no balancing mechanisms to deal with population imbalance, crazy lag during largescale fights (iirc we crashed the server during out first fortress fight). Game had potential but devs managed to miss the mark almost all the time.
SWG was different of course, as that game was still healthy when it was closed. SOE was forced by the IP owner to shut the game down.
There were a lot of games that lasted longer with bigger player bases that Vanguard, such as CoH. It is hard for me to imagine Vanguard, with its checkered history, getting the #1 spot on this list.
I'm trying to understand why MxO got on this list. I could not even finish an hour of that slop before I threw the disc in the trash. I bought it out of the clearance rack at Best Buy for 5 bucks about two months after it released, and after playing it I realized my five bucks was gone forever. How that game made the 'top 5' is beyond me.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
Would have liked to have seen Vanguard on the list. I get SWG and CoH being on there. Don't know much about Matrix or TR as I never played those.
TR was actually a pretty good game. It had some rough spots, but overall it was pretty good, with a fun combat system. But it had a huge, huge problem that was intrinsic into its design, and IMO led to its downfall; there was only one bad guy. The Bane got pretty boring after a while. I could easily see most of the player base eventually just packing up because the bad guys got boring. And, since it was an NCsoft game, it had no chance to survive once their player base started falling. I really wanted to get a level cap in that game, but by the time I hit 47 (level cap 50) all my friends had quit playing, and after a week of trying to force myself to hit 48 solo, I just gave up.
One game I was glad to see get on this list was Warhammer Online. I was a strictly PvE guy in MMOs when I started playing WHO, but my friends persuaded me to try the battlefields and RvR, and even though they had flaws, they were AWESOME. Completely changed my view of MMO PvP. Now I am heavily involved in it in ESO, and I spent a lot of time in CoH doing PvP. WHO changed my view of PvP, and for that I am forever grateful.
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2. SOE
3. EA
4. NCSoft
5. SOE
I really liked Tabula Rasa and IMO Shadowbane wasnt a bad game either.
I expected to see Shadowbane on the list, and was slightly disappointed that it wasnt.
Warhammer Online seemed like a stretch to me, but that's just my personal tastes.
Tabula Rasa came and went so quickly I didn't even get a chance to sink my teeth into it. I got to play it in beta and liked what I saw, but it didn't seem like the kind of game I had originally expected, and after all the publicized drama between Richard Garriot and NCSoft, I didn't expect it to be around long.
I never got a chance to play SWG. At the time that it first came out, we lost a lot of members from our EQ raiding guild to it, but I wasn't one of the early adopters. By the time I was actually interested, the original MMO that everyone loved had been destroyed with a bad expansion, but it sounds like I would have LOVED the original.
The way NCSoft handled both CoH/CoV AND Dungeon Runners seemed like a huge slap in the face to fans of both games. I won't touch another NCSoft published title.
Funny how more than one title on this very short list have NCSoft in common.
I took it as an opinion piece, and I could certainly understand why every selection would make such a list.
All the rest of these sandbox pvp games are trying to copy what it was, but are failing miserably.
I would love to see what Tabula Rasa could have become given the time to mature.
But love to see a list of games that never made it past beta due to funding issues....seriously theirs a few good ones that be nice as well
Just wonder if the guys who Did Star wars Galaxies will hit a home Run on Crowfall and put everything else behind Im sure they feel the pain worse then anyone
What, no Shadowbane?????
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the game drew me into the genre even more so than eq1.
5- vanguard
4- darkfall 1
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I feel that the game can be saved with a graphical update, minor bug fixes, and gameplay tweaks. If Daybreak would take the money they're plugging into the "Free Realms 2" abortion that is Everquest Next and instead invest it into revitalizing Vanguard I feel that they might have a cash cow worthy of a AAA title.
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"