It's just a milking of a dead cow really. This game is bound to fall sooner or later. Even multicore support (fkin multicore support in 2016, and they are making big fuss about it like it's an achievement or something) and 64bit client won't help the playability. Bugs, shallow content, paywalls - you name the poison, Rift has it.
They should just close the game already. Trion is not capable of successfully managing AAA title. Trove and maybe Devilian is what they should stick to.
How is taking stuff away from F2P "Patron Reward Changes". Typical trion being disingenuous to their players. Along side such gems 'as we arent closing servers, we are making trial servers' or 'three faction PvP is what the PvP community wanted (nevermind the fact that almost no one in the forums asked for it and another game with 3 faction PvP was nearing release).
Trion thinks their customers are idiots. Granted so do most companies, but few have ever been so obvious about it.
They are so blind that they don't see that in their official forums there are currently only 5 people defending their new changes and all 5 of them are RIft fansite owners who make money through rift related sites. Just in a matter of week they have lost so many staunch supporters who would say "yes" to any changes made by them. Trion still won't take it as a sign.
Companies never use forums as a sign of anything other than about 5% of the playerbase that posts in forums.
What they use is data analytics provided by their business intelligence team that shows clear player trends of actual entire playerbase.
This data is what drives monetization changes - when companies see that a current model could be made better they change it - and after a while they will change it again because player trends change over time.
The problem is from an outside people can say whatever they want - they don't have any of the hard data to back anything up, just their own preference and opinion.
Their data shows they have a very loyal fanbase that will pay whatever
they charge for, they do have a very loyal fanbase but up until now most
of them were always happy with any decision they made and showed direct
support on their official forums. But with changes they announced have
taken away supportive voices and now they are criticizing Trion heavily.
Apart from a few fansite operators nobody is taking these changes
positively. That was my point on posts. Rift community have always always been active in supporting Trion's decision, on official forums and unofficial forums, these changes are not getting that support anymore. If Trion is not taking forum as a sign, then they should at least take in game population drop as a sign.
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If this change goes live as is on the 10th, I can see the free to play members leaving the game. All this does is to add a pay wall by limiting free to play member being able to do dungeon, raids and war front.
Like City of Steam, this may put both Rift and Trion on their last legs as for me they have no other games that I care to play.
Don't fret. DMKano will be here soon to tell you why this is a good idea.
No DMKano in his post above has told you why it has happened. Companies use data they gather to make changes that - they hope - will make the company more money.
And they don't always make the right decisions which is why games close, studios fail.
At this point NOBODY knows how this will shake out - not even Trion.
The difference is i am saying I don't know - many are speaking from their crystal ball it seems hehe.
Do you really need a crystal ball to see how this change will play out ?
Only Reason most ppl run PvP/Dungeons are the marks, because you outgear the content pretty fast. If i get only 1 charge a day, new players dont have ppl to run content with, its that simple. And dont even count on Pug runs with that change xD
Force ppl into Patron isnt the right way, no crystal Ball needed here...
1. We don't know what their data shows - the loyal fanbase importance is an assumption on your part
2. The critics you see are indicative of what % of the paying customers? We don't know.
3. Ofen players say one thing on the forums and do a completely different thing in game (like threatening to quit and they keep playing and spending money)
4.You are putting far too much emphasis on forum voices and opinions - they are not a true voice of the actual Rift players majority of whom never even visit the forums.
Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
That's what they think, they might be right they might be completely wrong - nobody knows yet
About right now.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
How is taking stuff away from F2P "Patron Reward Changes". Typical trion being disingenuous to their players. Along side such gems 'as we arent closing servers, we are making trial servers' or 'three faction PvP is what the PvP community wanted (nevermind the fact that almost no one in the forums asked for it and another game with 3 faction PvP was nearing release).
Trion thinks their customers are idiots. Granted so do most companies, but few have ever been so obvious about it.
They are so blind that they don't see that in their official forums there are currently only 5 people defending their new changes and all 5 of them are RIft fansite owners who make money through rift related sites. Just in a matter of week they have lost so many staunch supporters who would say "yes" to any changes made by them. Trion still won't take it as a sign.
Companies never use forums as a sign of anything other than about 5% of the playerbase that posts in forums.
What they use is data analytics provided by their business intelligence team that shows clear player trends of actual entire playerbase.
This data is what drives monetization changes - when companies see that a current model could be made better they change it - and after a while they will change it again because player trends change over time.
The problem is from an outside people can say whatever they want - they don't have any of the hard data to back anything up, just their own preference and opinion.
Their data shows they have a very loyal fanbase that will pay whatever
they charge for, they do have a very loyal fanbase but up until now most
of them were always happy with any decision they made and showed direct
support on their official forums. But with changes they announced have
taken away supportive voices and now they are criticizing Trion heavily.
Apart from a few fansite operators nobody is taking these changes
positively. That was my point on posts. Rift community have always always been active in supporting Trion's decision, on official forums and unofficial forums, these changes are not getting that support anymore. If Trion is not taking forum as a sign, then they should at least take in game population drop as a sign.
1. We don't know what their data shows - the loyal fanbase importance is an assumption on your part
2. The critics you see are indicative of what % of the paying customers? We don't know.
3. Ofen players say one thing on the forums and do a completely different thing in game (like threatening to quit and they keep playing and spending money)
4.You are putting far too much emphasis on forum voices and opinions - they are not a true voice of the actual Rift players majority of whom never even visit the forums.
Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
That's what they think, they might be right they might be completely wrong - nobody knows yet
I agree with your 2nd and 3rd point but would take your 1st and 4th points to be 100% correct if the in game population were still same as pre 3.0 and they were also way too hyped about what is coming next. You say you play Rift once every month, i login once every week, stay in queue for experts as all 4 role for hours with no pop. Barely manage to pull a pug from cross server chat to do a single expert, PvP has it worse, now you tell me, with population as it is now how these new change will bring more money or more importantly ; bring in more players to play the game?
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How is taking stuff away from F2P "Patron Reward Changes". Typical trion being disingenuous to their players. Along side such gems 'as we arent closing servers, we are making trial servers' or 'three faction PvP is what the PvP community wanted (nevermind the fact that almost no one in the forums asked for it and another game with 3 faction PvP was nearing release).
Trion thinks their customers are idiots. Granted so do most companies, but few have ever been so obvious about it.
They are so blind that they don't see that in their official forums there are currently only 5 people defending their new changes and all 5 of them are RIft fansite owners who make money through rift related sites. Just in a matter of week they have lost so many staunch supporters who would say "yes" to any changes made by them. Trion still won't take it as a sign.
Companies never use forums as a sign of anything other than about 5% of the playerbase that posts in forums.
What they use is data analytics provided by their business intelligence team that shows clear player trends of actual entire playerbase.
This data is what drives monetization changes - when companies see that a current model could be made better they change it - and after a while they will change it again because player trends change over time.
The problem is from an outside people can say whatever they want - they don't have any of the hard data to back anything up, just their own preference and opinion.
Their data shows they have a very loyal fanbase that will pay whatever
they charge for, they do have a very loyal fanbase but up until now most
of them were always happy with any decision they made and showed direct
support on their official forums. But with changes they announced have
taken away supportive voices and now they are criticizing Trion heavily.
Apart from a few fansite operators nobody is taking these changes
positively. That was my point on posts. Rift community have always always been active in supporting Trion's decision, on official forums and unofficial forums, these changes are not getting that support anymore. If Trion is not taking forum as a sign, then they should at least take in game population drop as a sign.
1. We don't know what their data shows - the loyal fanbase importance is an assumption on your part
2. The critics you see are indicative of what % of the paying customers? We don't know.
3. Ofen players say one thing on the forums and do a completely different thing in game (like threatening to quit and they keep playing and spending money)
4.You are putting far too much emphasis on forum voices and opinions - they are not a true voice of the actual Rift players majority of whom never even visit the forums.
Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
That's what they think, they might be right they might be completely wrong - nobody knows yet
I agree with your 2nd and 3rd point but would take your 1st and 4th points to be 100% correct if the in game population were still same as pre 3.0 and they were also way too hyped about what is coming next. You say you play Rift once every month, i login once every week, stay in queue for experts as all 4 role for hours with no pop. Barely manage to pull a pug from cross server chat to do a single expert, PvP has it worse, now you tell me, with population as it is now how these new change will bring more money or more importantly ; bring in more players to play the game?
I don't know exactly as I don't have the player metrics data.
So I can only speculate.
The thing about monetization is how effectively you can get more from *paying* customers which make abut 5% to 20% of the overall f2p playerbase.
So in other words getting more money from those that are already spending is far more important than getting more players who won't spend a dime ever.
Now free players are important as they provide interaction for the paying costumers, but they will always be there no matter how restrictive the gameplay is for them.
But still getting more players is what forums always focus on when they are talking about game population - companies would rather have 2000 high spenders than 20,000 zero spenders.
So overall population number is not always indicative of how much money is coming in in f2p games - if Rift can get more money out of fewer players - it's a win for them.
As i have said before that their data shows they have a very loyal fanbase who will buy anything they would put a price tag on and i agree with you that they are trying to get more money from those who are already paying. But why would they pay more if they can't even play the game properly or for a game where servers are pretty much empty? And you are saying free players will always be there, if that is the case then why so many spenders are complaining about servers being dead? Honestly the only way i know that there are someone logged in is by looking at all the smack talk about Trump, Hillary, guns and muslims.
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Here is the thing, Freeloaders like F2P because they dont have to pay a dime and still play the whole game. The company relies on the 10 whales keeping the servers alive so when they get bored or leave the game they have to make strict changes to force everyone to pay. If you give in to that cycle and start paying over and over to bypass restrictions, you are part of the problem. And if you leave the game, the game dies.
Why do you still support F2P again? Purchasing the game/expansions eliminates this problem. The F2P model needs to die because it is the most anti-consumer model out there.
DMKano said: Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
I am sure about the making more money part, making a better "game" is an outright ridiculous lie though. Unless of course you think making more money means a "game" is better.
So making less money makes games better?
MMO Games need money to keep running.
If you are going to make a MMO better - it means more content, more dev time, more features.
Now how are you going to accomplish this with more money or less money?
Is this even a serious discussion?
So making more money is a lie as far as wanting to make a better game?
Really?
I think what he's saying is that making more money doesn't automatically ensure that a game will be "better".
of course it means more dev time, more features, more quality control but I believe his point is that if a company doesn't have talented and capable people, throwing more money at them doesn't automatically mean "good game".
It might have more features, less bugs but "will it actually be good".
In any case, I believe that's his point.
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All this talk about why the changes were made, but the worst part of this is the delivery.
HEY GUYS WE ARE MAKING PATRON BETTER!
LOOK LOOK MORE REASON TO BE PATRON!!!
Yes, there are more reasons to be patron. Not because they made any meaningful changes to patron, but because they put further restrictions on F2P.
Patron became a better option, but it does almost nothing for current patrons. Its only a better option because the other option got more restricted. yet Trion is trying to sell this like they are doing people favors, like there is some big benefit to patron players. Again, assuming its customers are idiots.
DMKano said: Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
I am sure about the making more money part, making a better "game" is an outright ridiculous lie though. Unless of course you think making more money means a "game" is better.
So making less money makes games better?
MMO Games need money to keep running.
If you are going to make a MMO better - it means more content, more dev time, more features.
Now how are you going to accomplish this with more money or less money?
Is this even a serious discussion?
So making more money is a lie as far as wanting to make a better game?
Really?
But does that money go back into Rift?
Lets look at EQ2, and keep in mind I'm more of a SoE supporter than most.
When they launched F2P, their income rose. The population stabilized. Much like Rift actually.
Yet the EQ2 staff didn't start to expand. The extra money didn't seem to be going back into the game. Where did it go? PS2 development. EQN development. H1Z1 development.
So yes, Trion is obviously wanting more money. And I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they dont want more money to directly increase their salaries, they want more money for development. But is that necessarily for Rift?
True we can't say for sure one way or the other, but given that the development pace/quality certainly hasn't improved since the sub days yet every talks about how F2P makes so much more money i wouldn't bank on this move helping the game out either. It certainly wont have a positive impact on the population like the initial f2p conversion did though.
DMKano said: Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
I am sure about the making more money part, making a better "game" is an outright ridiculous lie though. Unless of course you think making more money means a "game" is better.
So making less money makes games better?
MMO Games need money to keep running.
If you are going to make a MMO better - it means more content, more dev time, more features.
Now how are you going to accomplish this with more money or less money?
Is this even a serious discussion?
So making more money is a lie as far as wanting to make a better game?
Really?
I think what he's saying is that making more money doesn't automatically ensure that a game will be "better".
of course it means more dev time, more features, more quality control but I believe his point is that if a company doesn't have talented and capable people, throwing more money at them doesn't automatically mean "good game".
It might have more features, less bugs but "will it actually be good".
In any case, I believe that's his point.
It is debatable whether throwing more money at developers will ensure the game have more features and more quality control, just look at the 2nd most money making mmorpg of western market, makes 20 times more money than Rift but provides 20 times more bugs with every patch than Rift ever had.
But Rift team is very talented and very hard working, i have no doubt in my mind about that. Giving them more money will ensure they provide more quality and more feature. But my concern with these changes is that they won't be bringing more money, in fact they will drive away more paying and playing customers and i am more than sure this will be happening, i have logged in to game since they talked about the changes and the in game mood is not very well. But i don't know if it is sad or hopeful, there are still players who believe Trion will not go with these changes, they also believe they will revert the changes to ear slot and planewalker gear too, so yes i don't know what to think about these players.
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Trion is making all their free2play games more strict at the same time, look at what a change they made to Trove, things are more likely not going well for them moneywise, you cant hate on them they have to survive, their company and money comes before your "aproval"
I can never quite figure out what runs through the brain of players who never support the games they play. What do you think will be the longevity of these games ? When you want to play the game ,enjoy it but refuse to contribute a single cent for it to prosper. In this scenario when the game shuts down you go 'oh my god these greedy people shut the game down that still had so much life to it'. It might have helped if you had bloody well supported it when you had the chance.
If this change goes live as is on the 10th, I can see the free to play members leaving the game. All this does is to add a pay wall by limiting free to play member being able to do dungeon, raids and war front.
Like City of Steam, this may put both Rift and Trion on their last legs as for me they have no other games that I care to play.
Don't fret. DMKano will be here soon to tell you why this is a good idea.
No DMKano in his post above has told you why it has happened. Companies use data they gather to make changes that - they hope - will make the company more money.
And they don't always make the right decisions which is why games close, studios fail.
At this point NOBODY knows how this will shake out - not even Trion.
The difference is i am saying I don't know - many are speaking from their crystal ball it seems hehe.
Do you really need a crystal ball to see how this change will play out ?
Only Reason most ppl run PvP/Dungeons are the marks, because you outgear the content pretty fast. If i get only 1 charge a day, new players dont have ppl to run content with, its that simple. And dont even count on Pug runs with that change xD
Force ppl into Patron isnt the right way, no crystal Ball needed here...
No one knows the future I'm sure they lose out people due to this and other games that coming out thats giving but they will still keep many people playing and paying for the off set.
Arche Age had it worst with PR from the community in all around but that still kicking with people paying and still playing. After people said that Arche Age would I been dead a long time ago know one knows the future.
Well if it's not better for him but it is better for someone else, is it still a lie?
Of course there is no guarantee that more money will make the game better for all - but it ensures continued development.
Better is subjective.
I am sure that more money will make the game better for some.
Arguing some universal "better game" concept is pretty pointless
Again, I don't think that's his point. I think he's saying "in general" just giving money to a team doesn't ensure that team is capable of using that money well.
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Fundamentally, for MMOs to work, they need players... be it freeloaders or not... you create a system which essentially removes players, you are doing yourself no favors.
Reality check, if the game was spectacular, people would pay to play it. The fact that it's not spectacular means they are willing to endure it because it is free for them to play it. This helps those that do see it as spectacular because they are in fact, the minority. You run these folks off and you will see the ghost town that the game really is in short order.
This is just a tactic to get a feel for how many consider the game worth money and how many people consider the game not worth money. Pretty sure they already know the answer to this, but if it's not going to be profitable, best to upheave the game now and hasten it's demise than to wait and just eat the losses.
DMKano said: Bottom line - Trion believes that these changes will make them more money and help them make a better game.
I am sure about the making more money part, making a better "game" is an outright ridiculous lie though. Unless of course you think making more money means a "game" is better.
So making less money makes games better?
MMO Games need money to keep running.
If you are going to make a MMO better - it means more content, more dev time, more features.
Now how are you going to accomplish this with more money or less money?
Is this even a serious discussion?
So making more money is a lie as far as wanting to make a better game?
Really?
But does that money go back into Rift?
I can answer this because I actually know from inside sources - if Rift is making money - that money helps the Rift team directly the most - whatever game makes the most money - the dev team behinds it reaps the highest benefits.
So yes the money in this case does go back into Rift.
Different game companies do it differently - but in case of Trion they want each game team to be accountable for their product.
I agree but my main concern is that these decisions will not really make them more money instead it is just going to bleed them even more.
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This is something they should never have made available outside of patron in the first place. Their PR train trumpeted how open and accessible the game was when they launched F2P to pull people in.
This didn't translate into revenue like they thought so they started charging crazy prices for DLC packs with key features gated behind them like the $150 pack having an exclusive mount that works on both land and underwater, gear slots, and gear gates.
In a progression raiding game gating gear behind a paywall is essentially the same as gating the content itself. You can't run the content if you don't have the gearscore or players willing to carry you.
Contrast this with the often criticized revenue model in Star Wars: TOR. The difference with the success in that game is that they are actually catering to a larger demographic with money to spend. But more importantly they get that having the subscription unlock the entire game is a popular revenue stream. But they also offer a way for people to unlock that, for a reasonable price, outside of the sub. They also started out restrictive and slowly opened a few areas up to F2P rather than take it away when they realized they weren't making money.
This change won't be popular, but it won't be the single thing that cripples the game. That would likely be a long string of poor decisions and design choices.
What Key features are in $150 pack? a mount that go's underwater that is not use much at all? all the Key Features was in a $24 pack and yes It was in $150 pack too but the $150 pack was just goodies no one had to buy it to use all of the Key features. I don't agree with them removing some the key feature being remove on getting it in game with out a rex.
There been many unpopular change in the game overtime this is noting new in mmo in general.
I can never quite figure out what runs through the brain of players who never support the games they play. What do you think will be the longevity of these games ? When you want to play the game ,enjoy it but refuse to contribute a single cent for it to prosper. In this scenario when the game shuts down you go 'oh my god these greedy people shut the game down that still had so much life to it'. It might have helped if you had bloody well supported it when you had the chance.
You are supporting it by playing it. Almost noone would use cash shops if there weren't free players in the game making it more appealing. "Free" players aren't freeloaders.
This is so self serving. I am not referring to how the company is trying to bolster their population but about how a player who enjoys a game should support it monetarily. Not some nonsense about supporting it by playing. The only reason you are playing is because you're enjoying the game not some altruistic reason of supporting it. Don't make me laugh about the selfless reason of support instead of just free loading on those who actually pay to support the game.
In the end every time a game shuts down when you had the chance to help it look in the mirror and ask yourself how much of a parasite you were and how much you could have done to help the game stay afloat. Don't give me platitudes .
I can never quite figure out what runs through the brain of players who never support the games they play. What do you think will be the longevity of these games ? When you want to play the game ,enjoy it but refuse to contribute a single cent for it to prosper. In this scenario when the game shuts down you go 'oh my god these greedy people shut the game down that still had so much life to it'. It might have helped if you had bloody well supported it when you had the chance.
You are supporting it by playing it. Almost noone would use cash shops if there weren't free players in the game making it more appealing. "Free" players aren't freeloaders.
This is so self serving. I am not referring to how the company is trying to bolster their population but about how a player who enjoys a game should support it monetarily. Not some nonsense about about supporting it by playing. The only reason you are playing is because you're enjoying the game not some altruistic reason of supporting it. Don't make me laugh about the selfless reason of support instead of just free loading on those who actually pay to support the game.
In the end every time a game shuts down when you had the chance to help it look in the mirror and ask yourself how much of a parasite you were and how much you could have done to help the game stay afloat. Don't give me platitudes .
No. "Free labor" is a much more fitting term to these software than "free to play". They are using "free players" to make the "game" more enjoyable for "paying players", while intentionally making the experience as bad as possible for the "free players". It is ridiculous to expect financial support from "free players" when companies are already making money by their free labor. But since you seem a fan of it, wanna wash my dishes and pay me 10$ afterwards?
That true but swtor doing the same thing using the free players but there alot people are supporting that way of thinking. I know Rift should not be doing same thing but they are it seem they are moving more closer to swtor model each coming day what EA doing it's working.
i pretty much agree with Kano here , the company has to make money to survive and continue to merit dev time and paychecks. But also one thing to point out Kano is look at games like neverwinter that started off extremely strong yet due to over greedy company practices of perfect world are now pretty much ghost towns mostly except during major patch changes. Stupid greedy moves can easily kill a game even with a few whales supporting it. The more restrictive a game gets and costly free to play players leave and that leaves the whales playing alone and no one really likes to play mmorpgs alone all the time.
All this F2P has done is creating a class of of individuals who feed on the players who pay and then complain when anything is behind a wall of payment . They keep demanding and are entitled and spoilt . The rest of us who actually pay and support these games deserve better then to have to share these games with them . However companies like to show off the population and this stupid keeping up with the Joneses has just ended up making it annoying for those of us who want to be able to play and get access to the content. Not have to deal with daily rewards and mobbing our inventory space , so sick of this trend.
Of course the free players should be penalized and punished that is absolutely the right thing to do if you can get away with it.
Any game that is popular enough for these scum to flock to and play and not pay anything need to make sure they are paying in terms of time and endless grinding to get anywhere near the paying customers. That is the only way to recoup the loss of having them in the game and flooding the channel with their entitled rubbish and cheating. Most F2P cheat and bot and do all the dastardly things that make playing these F2P a chore.
The people who are crying and whining are the F2P players whenever any requirement is put in to curb their lusty demands for content. No they want to get it all for free and anything less is unthinkable.
I have left a lot of F2P games because they just do not allow paying customers to enjoy the game without harassing us with the cash shop. If the games allow subs I would be happy but enough I am out this topic is over .The boat has sailed people like me are dinosaurs.
The people who are crying and whining are the F2P players whenever any requirement is put in to curb their lusty demands for content. No they want to get it all for free and anything less is unthinkable.
Aren't the games advertised as "free"? They are just assuming companies are honest and not scammers.
Game advetised you are free to play thats mean you can play for free don't mean everything in the game is free.
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They should just close the game already. Trion is not capable of successfully managing AAA title. Trove and maybe Devilian is what they should stick to.
Amateurs.
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Only Reason most ppl run PvP/Dungeons are the marks, because you outgear the content pretty fast. If i get only 1 charge a day, new players dont have ppl to run content with, its that simple.
And dont even count on Pug runs with that change xD
Force ppl into Patron isnt the right way, no crystal Ball needed here...
About right now.
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The company relies on the 10 whales keeping the servers alive so when they get bored or leave the game they have to make strict changes to force everyone to pay. If you give in to that cycle and start paying over and over to bypass restrictions, you are part of the problem. And if you leave the game, the game dies.
Why do you still support F2P again? Purchasing the game/expansions eliminates this problem. The F2P model needs to die because it is the most anti-consumer model out there.
of course it means more dev time, more features, more quality control but I believe his point is that if a company doesn't have talented and capable people, throwing more money at them doesn't automatically mean "good game".
It might have more features, less bugs but "will it actually be good".
In any case, I believe that's his point.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
HEY GUYS WE ARE MAKING PATRON BETTER!
LOOK LOOK MORE REASON TO BE PATRON!!!
Yes, there are more reasons to be patron. Not because they made any meaningful changes to patron, but because they put further restrictions on F2P.
Patron became a better option, but it does almost nothing for current patrons. Its only a better option because the other option got more restricted. yet Trion is trying to sell this like they are doing people favors, like there is some big benefit to patron players. Again, assuming its customers are idiots.
But does that money go back into Rift?
Lets look at EQ2, and keep in mind I'm more of a SoE supporter than most.
When they launched F2P, their income rose. The population stabilized. Much like Rift actually.
Yet the EQ2 staff didn't start to expand. The extra money didn't seem to be going back into the game. Where did it go? PS2 development. EQN development. H1Z1 development.
So yes, Trion is obviously wanting more money. And I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they dont want more money to directly increase their salaries, they want more money for development. But is that necessarily for Rift?
True we can't say for sure one way or the other, but given that the development pace/quality certainly hasn't improved since the sub days yet every talks about how F2P makes so much more money i wouldn't bank on this move helping the game out either. It certainly wont have a positive impact on the population like the initial f2p conversion did though.
But Rift team is very talented and very hard working, i have no doubt in my mind about that. Giving them more money will ensure they provide more quality and more feature. But my concern with these changes is that they won't be bringing more money, in fact they will drive away more paying and playing customers and i am more than sure this will be happening, i have logged in to game since they talked about the changes and the in game mood is not very well. But i don't know if it is sad or hopeful, there are still players who believe Trion will not go with these changes, they also believe they will revert the changes to ear slot and planewalker gear too, so yes i don't know what to think about these players.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
Arche Age had it worst with PR from the community in all around but that still kicking with people paying and still playing. After people said that Arche Age would I been dead a long time ago know one knows the future.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Reality check, if the game was spectacular, people would pay to play it. The fact that it's not spectacular means they are willing to endure it because it is free for them to play it. This helps those that do see it as spectacular because they are in fact, the minority. You run these folks off and you will see the ghost town that the game really is in short order.
This is just a tactic to get a feel for how many consider the game worth money and how many people consider the game not worth money. Pretty sure they already know the answer to this, but if it's not going to be profitable, best to upheave the game now and hasten it's demise than to wait and just eat the losses.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
There been many unpopular change in the game overtime this is noting new in mmo in general.
In the end every time a game shuts down when you had the chance to help it look in the mirror and ask yourself how much of a parasite you were and how much you could have done to help the game stay afloat. Don't give me platitudes .
Any game that is popular enough for these scum to flock to and play and not pay anything need to make sure they are paying in terms of time and endless grinding to get anywhere near the paying customers. That is the only way to recoup the loss of having them in the game and flooding the channel with their entitled rubbish and cheating. Most F2P cheat and bot and do all the dastardly things that make playing these F2P a chore.
Sad to say most companies are too lenient.
I have left a lot of F2P games because they just do not allow paying customers to enjoy the game without harassing us with the cash shop. If the games allow subs I would be happy but enough I am out this topic is over .The boat has sailed people like me are dinosaurs.