What funny is if you go on AA forums there are actually people arguing that the punishment is to harsh. Saying because AA is a sandbox and people should be able to do what they want.
AA seems to be filled with cheaters and idiots alike.
It's incredibly weird how, in a sandbox, abusing exploits is considered a part of the sandbox itself.
I played Ultima Online for over 10 years. I understand how a sandbox works. If you believe that abusing exploits is part of a sandbox you're one of the idiots I was talking about.
The game was a cesspool of cheaters/hackers a year ago, and it seems not much has changed.
As far as exploits go, the fault lies with the coding. The only real fault by these players is that they went for the big Boss and didn't expect any blowback. Little exploits like pathing, pet aggro, and wall-targeting have been in every AAA MMO I can think of. Trick is to not get greedy. Aim small, miss small
A motorcycle driver pulls out in front of you. You have enough distance to stop but you think to yourself, it's my right to go this speed and he's at fault. So you maintain speed, hit the motorcyclist and he dies.
Was his death your fault?
99% of the time it'll be the fault of the person who rear-ended the other. You'd have to have video evidence to prove that the slower driver in front cut you off in such a manner that you didn't have time to act. This is a really bizarre analogy either way.
I suppose it may seem bizarre when you're not comprehending the analogy. Like thinking a claim that the Earth is round is bizarre when you can plainly see a flat horizon.
Let me help you...
You're reading the analogy as the driver of the car does not have time to react, when I specifically said the driver of the car has time to stop, but chooses to maintain speed because he see's the entire incident as the motorcyclist's fault.
Just like the exploiters realizing the mob is bugged but shrugging their shoulders and saying well that's the game's fault. They could choose to stop, but they choose to not stop, and at that point they are exploiting.
Anyway the difference between "a bug" and "exploiting" is all in the intent. A bug is something that happens without you trying to make it happen. An exploit is knowing a bug exists and using it to your advantage. As the video shows, that guild clearly dumped materials to create a situation for the bug to occur, so they exploited. As far as why Trion doesn't fix it, I'm not sure it's within the localizer's/publisher's capacity to change game code (or that they even have full access to it), I don't know the agreement they have with the developing studio.
Then we have "clever use of game mechanics" which is more akin to standing by a doorway which is too small for a mob to get through while you use ranged to take it down. No bug is occurring, and both the door and the size of the mob were placed there by the devs. Bugs are actual flaws in the code.
Here's another extremely easy analogy...
If a bank makes an error in your favor and you spend the money...
You're a thief!
Sorry, but just because someone makes a mistake doesn't give you the right to exploit it.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire: Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
Sad reality of gaming is a lot of games are only an attraction because you can cheat.
I wonder how many would have given up in FFXI if they could not bot/script skillups or bot crafting in EQ2/VG or multi box cheat in Wow. I strongly believe we would not have a CS game today if there was not cheating.The cheating that went in on that game the first several years was retarded,i once had 3 full pages of working cheats i had scoured the net for just to check for myself at how bad it was.
FF many years and then COD was hit by massive cheating,it was so bad,i ran into cheating at least every second game,sometimes several games in a row.I gave up completely on that franchise since the dev/publisher didn't give a squat about cheating.
I can't even remember what game it was but a very new game i think of recent that actually had an on screen reporting system "kudos to them" finally someone showing a bit of care and doing it the way i would expect all games to have it right on screen.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Wait a second. Whenever I bad mouth Archeage, you tell me that things have completely changed from when I played a year ago and there are no more exploits.
FFXI had one of these but it was most of a servers "elite" endgame community that got ejected from the game. They had found a dupe mechanic and managed to keep the secret for a long time.
I don't recall much press from when that happened.
Wait a second. Whenever I bad mouth Archeage, you tell me that things have completely changed from when I played a year ago and there are no more exploits.
Show me where I said that please.
There are ALWAYS exploits with every game - over time XL has fixed numerous exploits from Sep of 2014 when AA launched.
Are there new exploits in AA today - hell yes they are. Will there be more exploits in the future - of course.
But "no more exploits" with any game is just fantasy - I'd love to see where I made this claim.
Maybe it wasn't you. It was some guy defending Archeage and whenever that happens I just assume it was you.
Whoever it was made it sound like there were basically no exploits or cheating left in the game.
Something is up with the code for that game. I've never seen a game get exploited as much as AA.
Why are there still countless posts implying that the glitch just happened all of a sudden, and they "just rolled with it"?
The guild specifically tried to make it happen....Yes, it took 15 min for it to actually trigger, but they went out of their way to make what happened, happen.
They dumped a huge amount of metals and lumbar into the sea in a hopes of boxing the boss in, and triggering the exploit.
What happened to the boss, was 100% intentional.
Oh, and BTW, one of their guild members tried to blackmail Trion afterwards, offering to give details on how they did it in exchange for in game items.
For the love of god, this is information given by Trion and findable with 10 seconds of Google-Fu
Why are there still countless posts implying that the glitch just happened all of a sudden, and they "just rolled with it"?
The guild specifically tried to make it happen....Yes, it took 15 min for it to actually trigger, but they went out of their way to make what happened, happen.
They dumped a huge amount of metals and lumbar into the sea in a hopes of boxing the boss in, and triggering the exploit.
What happened to the boss, was 100% intentional.
Oh, and BTW, one of their guild members tried to blackmail Trion afterwards, offering to give details on how they did it in exchange for in game items.
For the love of god, this is information given by Trion and findable with 10 seconds of Google-Fu
Much more fun to postulate, defend and condemn.
Trion did their homework before banning. They were helped along by the bystanders who reported the exploiters and sent them logs and videos, including some chat logs with Rage Quit members bragging and laughing at Trion's exploit ban policy saying it would never happen to them. The topper was surely Collusion, who attempted to bribe Trion, apparently thinking that because AA is a gankbox, I mean sandbox, anything goes.
Wait a second. Whenever I bad mouth Archeage, you tell me that things have completely changed from when I played a year ago and there are no more exploits.
Show me where I said that please.
There are ALWAYS exploits with every game - over time XL has fixed numerous exploits from Sep of 2014 when AA launched.
Are there new exploits in AA today - hell yes they are. Will there be more exploits in the future - of course.
But "no more exploits" with any game is just fantasy - I'd love to see where I made this claim.
Maybe it wasn't you. It was some guy defending Archeage and whenever that happens I just assume it was you.
Whoever it was made it sound like there were basically no exploits or cheating left in the game.
Something is up with the code for that game. I've never seen a game get exploited as much as AA.
Until this guild's blunder there were literally 0 serious players who try to exploit anything. People who are playing seriously spend a lot of money and time into building their characters, they do not exploit even the most obvious exploit. When i said there is no more cheaters or exploiters i meant this, when AA was released almost every guild were actively cheating and exploiting to get above others, now that situation is totally remedied, until Rage Quit apparently. The last grand exploiting was heart of ayanad dungeon boss, people got their easy ayanad design but trion made sure and took away everything from everyone who completed the dungeon and reaped the rewards. All that left are gold selling bots, the most profitable for these bots are open sea treasure hunting, in Ollo KGB, Rebellion, Fiery, karma, Ascendency, Oriental Unity, Forsaken, Ice Clan; all top guilds patrol the open seas with non aggression pact to kill bots and report them. Yeah cheating and exploit still exist but top players and guilds and people who are serious about contesting the high reward open pvp events no longer exploit or cheat.
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I'm more impressed at that big word someone used...let me look up again oh yeah .."Legitimately" ,now that's a tongue twister. I bet nobody can say that word 3x real fast.By second try you'll get stuck on Legi.....go on try it, you can't do it roflmao.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So, what you're saying is you put them against an epic challenge to win using any means they could and they found one that your poor QA department let slip by, took a kill, and the loot they earned from using their knowledge then you banned them for it...?? That's sick. I'm glad i realized this game had no potential in alpha. I like a few Trion games but I'm not very impressed with this piss poor showing. XL is definitely on my no play list.
The leadership and soldier comments are inane as well. IF the enemy leaves their doors unlocked after a huge party and you sneak in and slit those pretty throats all night, it's still a victory and one I would have taken in any of the wars I fought. Integrity doesn't go in the history books. Victory does. Same idea to me.
So, what you're saying is you put them against an epic challenge to win using any means they could and they found one that your poor QA department let slip by, took a kill, and the loot they earned from using their knowledge then you banned them for it...?? That's sick. I'm glad i realized this game had no potential in alpha. I like a few Trion games but I'm not very impressed with this piss poor showing. XL is definitely on my no play list.
The leadership and soldier comments are inane as well. IF the enemy leaves their doors unlocked after a huge party and you sneak in and slit those pretty throats all night, it's still a victory and one I would have taken in any of the wars I fought. Integrity doesn't go in the history books. Victory does. Same idea to me.
Another one who did not read how this exploit was initiated and completed. For KR version XLGames said they are not going to create another script for leviathan and anyone who exploit are gonna get perma banned. Now that sound half assed right? Well normally it would be half assed if this was a simple glitch, it is not, it is a player initiated glitch which by the way people have explained above multiple times. Read before you post some ignorant comment.
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Trion did their homework before banning. They were helped along by the bystanders who reported the exploiters and sent them logs and videos, including some chat logs with Rage Quit members bragging and laughing at Trion's exploit ban policy saying it would never happen to them. The topper was surely Collusion, who attempted to bribe Trion, apparently thinking that because AA is a gankbox, I mean sandbox, anything goes.
You people all keep citing official Trion posts and comments, like theyre suddenly completely competent and reliable after a couple years of completely failing with this game. Its so hilarious people who agree with a single (over) reaction are suddenly siding and quoting a company they have bashed and ridiculed for years.
They (Trion) shaped this game more the XL ever did by allowing trolls and griefers full immunity during the fledgling stage of release, added to land hacks, exploits, dupes, and all the other various and sundry bullshit that went on with that game it killed the game completely, a game that had tens of thousands of people clamoring to log in and play a game where they had to triple the servers (which they should have done anyway) the first week of its release. While all games see a drop off the drop of in AA was of epic proportions due solely because of Trions complete lack of leadership ability. (while white knight blame was focused on XL) That leadership and decision making is now suddenly meaningful?
Not hardly, and like I said in my first comment on this subject there will be a back room deal of some sort and half if not all the individuals associated with the 53 accounts banned will get some sort of compensation.
It is a publicity stunt and it is getting way more legs than it deserves especially for a game n one really cares about anymore but wallet warriors.
Let me get this straight, you found a bug, you exploited the bug, you went online in facebook and posted a video bragging about it and you question why you got banned? Shameful what the devs did, how they dare to do such and atrocity? What a nerve they have to humiliate "innocent" players like that, shame, shame, shame!!!!
I dont know the situation or the fight. I am 100% against exploits but there have been times in games where regular mobs bugged out questing bugged and i just killed it. Never a major boss in a raid though. If they had good intentions going in then they should just take their loot away and maybe a week ban. Now if they went in trying to exploit the boss then i agree it should be a permanent ban. Things like that destroy games for me.
If they had been smart, they should have submitted a ticket to the devs saying what happened and no one would have been banned. But they chose to bragg about it.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
If they had been smart, they should have submitted a ticket to the devs saying what happened and no one would have been banned. But they chose to bragg about it.
What I've been thinking as I've pondered this whole thing -- sure, go ahead and finish the fight, exploit and all. HOWEVER, seeing that it took more than a little while, have several guildmates submit tickets explaining the exploit, etc. My guess is that Trion might not have even taken away the loot, let alone banned everyone/guild. But because they knowingly exploited then wrote / bragged about it and then attempted to "blackmail" Trion into giving them some sort of in-game compensation, the hammer hit. I just hope those in the surrounding areas were carrying umbrellas and wearing raingear to avoid the spatter.
If you just read those 2 lines, sure it is confusing. If you have to quote someone; quote full post. Quote 2 sentence form a large post to confuse people, i guess it is a norm for modern internet. But please continue, this is amusing.
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If they had been smart, they should have submitted a ticket to the devs saying what happened and no one would have been banned. But they chose to bragg about it.
What I've been thinking as I've pondered this whole thing -- sure, go ahead and finish the fight, exploit and all. HOWEVER, seeing that it took more than a little while, have several guildmates submit tickets explaining the exploit, etc. My guess is that Trion might not have even taken away the loot, let alone banned everyone/guild. But because they knowingly exploited then wrote / bragged about it and then attempted to "blackmail" Trion into giving them some sort of in-game compensation, the hammer hit. I just hope those in the surrounding areas were carrying umbrellas and wearing raingear to avoid the spatter.
Actually Trion would have taken away the loot and everything else even if they came forward. Trion did it with heart of ayanad dungeon loot. Yes they would not get banned but they nailed their own coffins when they boasted about it on official forums and not only that they said in game chat "Trion can't do shit to us for exploiting". And also it was not the guild members who created support ticket, it was the haranya alliance members that were contesting the leviathan kill created support ticket and in game screenshot.
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As far as exploits go, the fault lies with the coding. The only real fault by these players is that they went for the big Boss and didn't expect any blowback. Little exploits like pathing, pet aggro, and wall-targeting have been in every AAA MMO I can think of. Trick is to not get greedy. Aim small, miss small
Let me help you...
You're reading the analogy as the driver of the car does not have time to react, when I specifically said the driver of the car has time to stop, but chooses to maintain speed because he see's the entire incident as the motorcyclist's fault.
Just like the exploiters realizing the mob is bugged but shrugging their shoulders and saying well that's the game's fault. They could choose to stop, but they choose to not stop, and at that point they are exploiting.
You're a thief!
Sorry, but just because someone makes a mistake doesn't give you the right to exploit it.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
I wonder how many would have given up in FFXI if they could not bot/script skillups or bot crafting in EQ2/VG or multi box cheat in Wow.
I strongly believe we would not have a CS game today if there was not cheating.The cheating that went in on that game the first several years was retarded,i once had 3 full pages of working cheats i had scoured the net for just to check for myself at how bad it was.
FF many years and then COD was hit by massive cheating,it was so bad,i ran into cheating at least every second game,sometimes several games in a row.I gave up completely on that franchise since the dev/publisher didn't give a squat about cheating.
I can't even remember what game it was but a very new game i think of recent that actually had an on screen reporting system "kudos to them" finally someone showing a bit of care and doing it the way i would expect all games to have it right on screen.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Wait a second. Whenever I bad mouth Archeage, you tell me that things have completely changed from when I played a year ago and there are no more exploits.
I don't recall much press from when that happened.
Whoever it was made it sound like there were basically no exploits or cheating left in the game.
Something is up with the code for that game. I've never seen a game get exploited as much as AA.
The guild specifically tried to make it happen....Yes, it took 15 min for it to actually trigger, but they went out of their way to make what happened, happen.
They dumped a huge amount of metals and lumbar into the sea in a hopes of boxing the boss in, and triggering the exploit.
What happened to the boss, was 100% intentional.
Oh, and BTW, one of their guild members tried to blackmail Trion afterwards, offering to give details on how they did it in exchange for in game items.
For the love of god, this is information given by Trion and findable with 10 seconds of Google-Fu
Trion did their homework before banning. They were helped along by the bystanders who reported the exploiters and sent them logs and videos, including some chat logs with Rage Quit members bragging and laughing at Trion's exploit ban policy saying it would never happen to them. The topper was surely Collusion, who attempted to bribe Trion, apparently thinking that because AA is a gankbox, I mean sandbox, anything goes.
For those unable to successfully Google, linky:
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?264534-Our-decision-regarding-Rage-Quit-of-Nazar-s-Leviathan-Kill
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I bet nobody can say that word 3x real fast.By second try you'll get stuck on Legi.....go on try it, you can't do it roflmao.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The leadership and soldier comments are inane as well. IF the enemy leaves their doors unlocked after a huge party and you sneak in and slit those pretty throats all night, it's still a victory and one I would have taken in any of the wars I fought. Integrity doesn't go in the history books. Victory does. Same idea to me.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
They (Trion) shaped this game more the XL ever did by allowing trolls and griefers full immunity during the fledgling stage of release, added to land hacks, exploits, dupes, and all the other various and sundry bullshit that went on with that game it killed the game completely, a game that had tens of thousands of people clamoring to log in and play a game where they had to triple the servers (which they should have done anyway) the first week of its release. While all games see a drop off the drop of in AA was of epic proportions due solely because of Trions complete lack of leadership ability. (while white knight blame was focused on XL) That leadership and decision making is now suddenly meaningful?
Not hardly, and like I said in my first comment on this subject there will be a back room deal of some sort and half if not all the individuals associated with the 53 accounts banned will get some sort of compensation.
It is a publicity stunt and it is getting way more legs than it deserves especially for a game n one really cares about anymore but wallet warriors.
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