Its a bit of a shame so little is expected of a new MMORPG, I wonder if one day we'll ever see greatness, or has that time passed, "mostly average" is the new normal?
Doesn't make it any less great considering the purpose of playing a game: having fun.
Having "fun" is not why I play MMORPG's, guess that's why I don't care for recent titles, they are designed with a different purpose from mine.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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It's not for everybody though. If you want a theme park play Blade and Soul or any number of the others. If you are looking for a new sandbox, possibly the highest quality sandbox on the market, try BDO.
Well regardless of what anyone else may think the virtual world of BDO is pretty damn cool. You want repetitive, BnS now that's repetitive. I still log on to EQ2 to go adventuring and building and I foresee myself roaming around the world of BDO doing the same kind of things. I'm pretty sure there are folks out there that like to enjoy the game and not rush to level cap and by the way BDO plays it kinda looks like you may want to roam around the countryside looking for things. And yes I have only played the NA game not the original which maybe I should have but I wasn't Korean so I couldn't but if I had and I had as much fun as I have had during the BT then I would have paid to play for sure.
I didn't really follow much on this game at all, SO I have no idea how much it was "hyped". got a code tried it out and liked it.. Simple as that for me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Best Beta Key I ever got to make sure NOONE else plays this crap. I Un-installed after 30 mins in this Asian Grinder. I knew it already, just wanted to confirm the typical ways these games go.
I didn't really follow much on this game at all, SO I have no idea how much it was "hyped". got a code tried it out and liked it.. Simple as that for me.
If you liked it, I may have to give it a second try... my first one didn't impress me
What I like most about it thus far is that it feels wide open, it's been a while since I have had that feeling playing an MMORPG I like other aspects of, as a comparison I didn't like much at all about AA outside of it's openness, theme, combat, the focus etc.. had no appeal to me at all..
IN BDO, all of that appeals to me, from the "sandboxy" features, being able to climb (that's a huge plus for me), the combat which feels solid, to the Medieval aesthetic that pulls it all together, it just feels like something I can sink my teeth into for quite a long time. My wife and I have been looking for an open world experience like this for quite a while. First game in a while I actually want to find a guild for.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I didn't really follow much on this game at all, SO I have no idea how much it was "hyped". got a code tried it out and liked it.. Simple as that for me.
If you liked it, I may have to give it a second try... my first one didn't impress me
What I like most about it thus far is that it feels wide open, it's been a while since I have had that feeling playing an MMORPG I like other aspects of, as a comparison I didn't like much at all about AA outside of it's openness, theme, combat, the focus etc.. had no appeal to me at all..
IN BDO, all of that appeals to me, from the "sandboxy" features, being able to climb (that's a huge plus for me), the combat which feels solid, to the Medieval aesthetic that pulls it all together, it just feels like something I can sink my teeth into for quite a long time. My wife and I have been looking for an open world experience like this for quite a while. First game in a while I actually want to find a guild for.
Still, their cash shop makes me cringe... (compared to GW2, another B2P game I liked). Reinstalling.
Understandable, those thing don't typically bother me in games though, my biggest complaint thus far is the tutorial pop-up stuff in the beginning, as well as having to hit cntrl every ten seconds lol.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
LOL, the thing is... a lot of people don't like this game precisely because it isn't WoW. They don't want a WoW clone and yet they do.
My experience in BDO is this... it's not a WoW clone... heck ArcheAge was closer to a WoW clone than BDO is. You hate questing? Well guess what, quests are almost non-existentant in this game in the traditional sense. If you're looking for some quest to tell you to go somewhere and do something to pass your time away, you're going to run out of things to do toot-sweet. Believe it or not, a lot of players require that sort of structure to play a game. This game doesn't have that sort of structure.
You're not going to find some hidden treasure out exploring the world. In fact, you might just find that world is pretty sparse when it comes to actual mobs. However there are little nooks and crannies that hold nodes for you to gather from. I jumped down from a cliffs edge to find a small cave in the side of the cliff that had a mining node in it. I didn't have the resources to mine it just then, so I waited for my resources to replenish so I could. Had I not had a pickaxe with me (they are x number of use items), I wouldn't have been able to mine it.
There are a lot of little things to this game that go completely unnoticed because it isn't necessary to do in order to level up. Is this game for me? I don't really know. I mean you have to make up your mind to do things instead of having the game telling you to do them. Do I want to seek out some wiki pages just to figure out how to fish? I mean the game does nothing to tell you how to fish, it just lets you fumble along on your own. This can be very frustrating and annoying all at the same time.
Bag space is going to be an issue and I can tell right now that the cash shop was designed to make playing this game easier (quality of life easier) and give you a way to make your character stand out from the sea of sameness. Yes, with all the character customization in this game, you are all the same in the fact that you are the same race/sex for your chosen class and all wear the exact same armor unless you buy outfits. LOL, it's anti-customization to the nth-degree. I swear there is far more variety in WoW than in this game... at least you have different races playing a ranger in other games... here it all the same race and all the same sex. You can't help but see clones everywhere... until people start buying custom outfits that is.
It's not a theme park and it's not a true sandbox... it's not ArcheAge either... theme parkers can adjust more readily to ArcheAge than BDO. The game is different... people said they wanted different... apparently not.
While "hype" may no longer affect some of us gamers, others still salivate in anticipation to news of the new and shiny. It's ok. There's no harm in having some expectation in things we do for entertainment. It's the fine line between hope and extremism that surprises me. Seems like a fine line to me, maybe it's as wide as a highway though... :pleased: BDO looks interesting, as many past games did by their videos. Guess I'll take a look-see when it releases. I like being surprised so I no longer request beta keys or buy 'Alpha' games anymore. That's just me.
Just a last question since I'll most likely not be able to download the client again before the end of CBT2...
Do you honestly think the game is "ready for release"? I don't mean only technically, also feature wise, content wise, and most important... release-related issues like e.g. Archeage had for not being prepared for the massive influx of players.
That's a tough one to answer, first and foremost I do not want to sell someone on a game they may not like, or may find issues in I haven't found yet. From a technical perspective it seemed to perform quite well, even on my old ass system, at Med/high settings. In that respect I think it's ready. Now as far as localization goes, it was hit or miss.. For starters the cash-shop, it's gonna cause problems for many, that's a given. Text was kinda awkward at times, so that may turn others away.
AS for launch, it's always worst than what i saw in Beta for almost every game I've ever tested/demoed.
I think the best thing to do for those on the fence is wait until after release, give it a month or two or even three of live play in the west, I think that will save some from getting into something they may not enjoy.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I didn't really follow much on this game at all, SO I have no idea how much it was "hyped". got a code tried it out and liked it.. Simple as that for me.
If you liked it, I may have to give it a second try... my first one didn't impress me
What I like most about it thus far is that it feels wide open, it's been a while since I have had that feeling playing an MMORPG I like other aspects of, as a comparison I didn't like much at all about AA outside of it's openness, theme, combat, the focus etc.. had no appeal to me at all..
IN BDO, all of that appeals to me, from the "sandboxy" features, being able to climb (that's a huge plus for me), the combat which feels solid, to the Medieval aesthetic that pulls it all together, it just feels like something I can sink my teeth into for quite a long time. My wife and I have been looking for an open world experience like this for quite a while. First game in a while I actually want to find a guild for.
Still, their cash shop makes me cringe... (compared to GW2, another B2P game I liked). Reinstalling.
Understandable, those thing don't typically bother me in games though, my biggest complaint thus far is the tutorial pop-up stuff in the beginning, as well as having to hit cntrl every ten seconds lol.
Just a last question since I'll most likely not be able to download the client again before the end of CBT2...
Do you honestly think the game is "ready for release"? I don't mean only technically, also feature wise, content wise, and most important... release-related issues like e.g. Archeage had for not being prepared for the massive influx of players.
Im wondering about the translations myself.
Too be fair Jean-Luc, BDO doesn't sell gold like GW2 does. You have to earn you money in game. You can't open you wallet, go to the AH and buy w/e ever you want.
It's not for everybody though. If you want a theme park play Blade and Soul or any number of the others. If you are looking for a new sandbox, possibly the highest quality sandbox on the market, try BDO.
I guess it's time you change your forum portrait again?
Eh, Evolve actually was a ton of fun. Just had a super slow UI where you spent like half your time waiting for the next round instead of playing the game.
If the other poster was right about it only selling 500k total copies, then it was neither gameplay nor the UI at fault, and failed due to marketing or theme (because as a B2P product, you live or die on your marketing.) Sad to hear about that too, given how fun the game was.
With Black Desert I had always just assumed it was a really nice looking Korean grinder and not worth checking out. Not sure who you felt was hyping it, or why you assumed you should listen to them. Wouldn't hold out hope that it offers deeper gameplay than WOW, but from the few videos I sifted through it also doesn't necessarily look bad either.
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On the surface, BDO is fun, its action filled and looks very good. Thats why people, even in this thread can say, oh Im having fun, they probably are, for now.
The trouble is that it severely lacks depth and as such, the game will only last a couple of weeks, and then it wont be worth anything anymore and people will stop having fun doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Right now, people playing the game, are blind...
Woah, this game is really really in depth. You have no idea what you are talking about. I almost think there is too much to it. If you have it all figured out please show me the definitive guide to figuring it all out.
This whole modern-day thought process is getting annoying. Just play the damn game if it interests you... Single player games are cheap and they normally have 30-40 hours worth of content, sometimes more, which is more that justifiable for the price. When playing MMORPG games if you get to max level and it no longer interests you and you aren't having fun then move on... you paid no more than any other game. The fact that some games are free makes it even cheaper. People are different so I recommend that no one should listen to what anyone says about a game, just play it yourself... This whole entitlement and immature behavior is ruining the community.
On the surface, BDO is fun, its action filled and looks very good. Thats why people, even in this thread can say, oh Im having fun, they probably are, for now.
The trouble is that it severely lacks depth and as such, the game will only last a couple of weeks, and then it wont be worth anything anymore and people will stop having fun doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Right now, people playing the game, are blind...
Woah, this game is really really in depth. You have no idea what you are talking about. I almost think there is too much to it. If you have it all figured out please show me the definitive guide to figuring it all out.
So what's the problem? Play it until you no longer have fun and then move on!
Best MMO I have played in a long time. It is a great mix of themepark + sandbox and is beautiful to go with that along with the most fun combat system around. Enjoying this CBT2 and buying it for sure.
On the surface, BDO is fun, its action filled and looks very good. Thats why people, even in this thread can say, oh Im having fun, they probably are, for now.
The trouble is that it severely lacks depth and as such, the game will only last a couple of weeks, and then it wont be worth anything anymore and people will stop having fun doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Right now, people playing the game, are blind...
Woah, this game is really really in depth. You have no idea what you are talking about. I almost think there is too much to it. If you have it all figured out please show me the definitive guide to figuring it all out.
So what's the problem? Play it until you no longer have fun and then move on!
Um, the person said it had no depth and I'm disputing that. You may have responded to the wrong quote?
On the surface, BDO is fun, its action filled and looks very good. Thats why people, even in this thread can say, oh Im having fun, they probably are, for now.
The trouble is that it severely lacks depth and as such, the game will only last a couple of weeks, and then it wont be worth anything anymore and people will stop having fun doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Right now, people playing the game, are blind...
Someone has not researched this game or tried it or for that matter done anything more than log in and follow the that yellow birck road of other games.
It ends here for you then and you really missed it depth like..
- Go exploring and find NPC's to work the mni games for affinity to gain knowelege about the game world and its inhabitants so you gain buffs, Quests with rewards you can't get elsewhere, Ability to set up a store of affinity (I believe this is appearance gear and stuff but don't quote me on that and the wikis are all short on information), ability to rent their equipment to make it easier on life skills, combat and transportation.
- Go work on nodes to level them up to get established trade routes so things are easier in PvP end game.
- Go work on your house
- Go just explore and look at the world and its beauty.
Everything above rewards you with contribution points, energy and experience so you still gain levels and the other points are absolut needed for doing things.
This game offers more freedom to be unique than anything else I've seen. It offers you the chance to interact with the world instead of quickly leveling up to grind the same 10 dungeons to get the gear to grind the next 10 in the new expansion. It is a reason I went and pre-ordered it today becasue it is EQ2 - L2 combined.
You can do it alone or with friends that have same interests.
The PvP is end game where it belongs where balanced engagements happen not the griefing and ganking in low levels and opens up another avenue of game play for those that have understanding of building their character for their style of play.
Sorry you think it is such a mess and we are blind but this one is just different in a very refreashing way.
So you see why I tend to ignore pre-release hype and get around to looking into games some months after launch. Or years.
Thats the same approach I take and I find if you are patient you will either get the games at 1/4 to 1/2 the price or for free.....In many cases the games flame out and arent even worth trying.
These recent mass hype and failures are only happening with a specific type of genre. They tend to have several things in common.
-PVP -Korean made or published -Cash shop -Action combat
Tera, Wildstar, ArcheAge, Blade & Soul, Black Desert, etc
Wildstar?! NCsoft was the publisher! Did you know a fair majority of the developers and designers were from WoW?
WildStar is not Korean. Tera, ArcheAge and Blade and Soul are not failures. Far from it. TERA is the most played MMO on Steam. ArcheAge remains one of the healthiest populations in the genre and Blade and Soul has been a smash hit. You do not have to like the games Kiyoris but those are the facts.
I agree with you here to a degree, @blueturtle13. Kiyoris sometimes acts like a friend of mine, every game they dont like is automatically a failure, no matter what.
As for Tera, i just want to point out that if Tera is still the most played mmo on steam then that is very sad for mmos releasing on steam.
This is a very sad steam chart info about Tera. I think Tera was successful after going f2p for some time only, not anymore. And WS has never been successful IMO. But with the rest of the mmos mentioned above i agree with you.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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It's not for everybody though. If you want a theme park play Blade and Soul or any number of the others. If you are looking for a new sandbox, possibly the highest quality sandbox on the market, try BDO.
I'm pretty sure there are folks out there that like to enjoy the game and not rush to level cap and by the way BDO plays it kinda looks like you may want to roam around the countryside looking for things.
And yes I have only played the NA game not the original which maybe I should have but I wasn't Korean so I couldn't but if I had and I had as much fun as I have had during the BT then I would have paid to play for sure.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
RIP BDO.
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IN BDO, all of that appeals to me, from the "sandboxy" features, being able to climb (that's a huge plus for me), the combat which feels solid, to the Medieval aesthetic that pulls it all together, it just feels like something I can sink my teeth into for quite a long time. My wife and I have been looking for an open world experience like this for quite a while. First game in a while I actually want to find a guild for.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
My experience in BDO is this... it's not a WoW clone... heck ArcheAge was closer to a WoW clone than BDO is. You hate questing? Well guess what, quests are almost non-existentant in this game in the traditional sense. If you're looking for some quest to tell you to go somewhere and do something to pass your time away, you're going to run out of things to do toot-sweet. Believe it or not, a lot of players require that sort of structure to play a game. This game doesn't have that sort of structure.
You're not going to find some hidden treasure out exploring the world. In fact, you might just find that world is pretty sparse when it comes to actual mobs. However there are little nooks and crannies that hold nodes for you to gather from. I jumped down from a cliffs edge to find a small cave in the side of the cliff that had a mining node in it. I didn't have the resources to mine it just then, so I waited for my resources to replenish so I could. Had I not had a pickaxe with me (they are x number of use items), I wouldn't have been able to mine it.
There are a lot of little things to this game that go completely unnoticed because it isn't necessary to do in order to level up. Is this game for me? I don't really know. I mean you have to make up your mind to do things instead of having the game telling you to do them. Do I want to seek out some wiki pages just to figure out how to fish? I mean the game does nothing to tell you how to fish, it just lets you fumble along on your own. This can be very frustrating and annoying all at the same time.
Bag space is going to be an issue and I can tell right now that the cash shop was designed to make playing this game easier (quality of life easier) and give you a way to make your character stand out from the sea of sameness. Yes, with all the character customization in this game, you are all the same in the fact that you are the same race/sex for your chosen class and all wear the exact same armor unless you buy outfits. LOL, it's anti-customization to the nth-degree. I swear there is far more variety in WoW than in this game... at least you have different races playing a ranger in other games... here it all the same race and all the same sex. You can't help but see clones everywhere... until people start buying custom outfits that is.
It's not a theme park and it's not a true sandbox... it's not ArcheAge either... theme parkers can adjust more readily to ArcheAge than BDO. The game is different... people said they wanted different... apparently not.
There's no harm in having some expectation in things we do for entertainment. It's the fine line between hope and extremism that surprises me. Seems like a fine line to me, maybe it's as wide as a highway though... :pleased:
BDO looks interesting, as many past games did by their videos. Guess I'll take a look-see when it releases. I like being surprised so I no longer request beta keys or buy 'Alpha' games anymore. That's just me.
AS for launch, it's always worst than what i saw in Beta for almost every game I've ever tested/demoed.
I think the best thing to do for those on the fence is wait until after release, give it a month or two or even three of live play in the west, I think that will save some from getting into something they may not enjoy.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Too be fair Jean-Luc, BDO doesn't sell gold like GW2 does. You have to earn you money in game. You can't open you wallet, go to the AH and buy w/e ever you want.
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If the other poster was right about it only selling 500k total copies, then it was neither gameplay nor the UI at fault, and failed due to marketing or theme (because as a B2P product, you live or die on your marketing.) Sad to hear about that too, given how fun the game was.
With Black Desert I had always just assumed it was a really nice looking Korean grinder and not worth checking out. Not sure who you felt was hyping it, or why you assumed you should listen to them. Wouldn't hold out hope that it offers deeper gameplay than WOW, but from the few videos I sifted through it also doesn't necessarily look bad either.
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As for Tera, i just want to point out that if Tera is still the most played mmo on steam then that is very sad for mmos releasing on steam.
http://steamcharts.com/app/323370
This is a very sad steam chart info about Tera. I think Tera was successful after going f2p for some time only, not anymore. And WS has never been successful IMO. But with the rest of the mmos mentioned above i agree with you.