More Races Planned, Gender Lock to Remain

SBFord · February 2016

More Races Planned, Gender Lock to Remain

Daum has published a new in-house interview with questions gleaned from the Black Desert Online community. Questions range across a wide variety of topic, most of which would be additions or alterations after the official launch of BDO next week.

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Aeander · February 2016

Gender-locking should have stayed in the 90s where it belongs.

spikers14 · February 2016

Aeander said:

Gender-locking should have stayed in the 90s where it belongs.

It's a little misleading in this case, as classes have planned counterparts

Aeander · February 2016

spikers14 said:

Aeander said:

Gender-locking should have stayed in the 90s where it belongs.

It's a little misleading in this case, as classes have planned counterparts

It still leaves a bitter taste. One version is going to be inevitably better than the other - as is the case with any two mechanically different things.

In Blade and Soul, for example, the Lyn race has an exclusive Blade Dancer variation on the Blade Master. The Blade Master is one of (if not the) worst classes in the current NA version of the game. The Blade Dancer is one of the best classes.

So, to play the more fun, superior version of this class, I have to pick a race that I despise. How is that mechanically good?

Roin · February 2016

I like how BDO is handling classes.

filmoret · February 2016

Gender locking to me is ok so long as they have of plenty of classes and a good mixture of bisexual classes.

fuzzi1983 · February 2016

filmoret said:

Gender locking to me is ok so long as they have of plenty of classes and a good mixture of bisexual classes.

You kinky

laserit · February 2016

Venus and Mars

Maybe we should just be like Earthworms...

verinta · February 2016

filmoret said:

Gender locking to me is ok so long as they have of plenty of classes and a good mixture of bisexual classes.

haha, its funny, because it goes bothways.

Samhael · February 2016

Pearl's argument that copying an existing class to add the other sex would take almost as much time as creating a whole new class doesn't make any sense to me. What sort of screwed up system do they have where that would be such an internal mess? With the other sex, it's not like they would have to worry about adjusting for class balancing or anything.

laserit · February 2016

Samhael said:

Pearl's argument that copying an existing class to add the other sex would take almost as much time as creating a whole new class doesn't make any sense to me. What sort of screwed up system do they have where that would be such an internal mess? With the other sex, it's not like they would have to worry about adjusting for class balancing or anything.

Maybe most of the work is in the Animations and such.

The Art work.

kinkyJalepeno · February 2016

Rhoklaw said:

I thought they confirmed Dwarves as the newest Race/Class or is it still only semi confirmed?

Oh gawd I hope so.. I love me a bit of stunty !!

Wighty · February 2016

I actually think this is a really cool approach to the class make up.

If there is not necessarily going to be a "Male Ranger" but a counterpart, I think that is cool.

As the article stated this is similar to the Warrior / Valkyrie approach, also notable is the Wizard / Witch. From a namesake a female can be a Wizard but a male can not be a Witch.

Urncaller · February 2016

Samhael said:

Pearl's argument that copying an existing class to add the other sex would take almost as much time as creating a whole new class doesn't make any sense to me. What sort of screwed up system do they have where that would be such an internal mess? With the other sex, it's not like they would have to worry about adjusting for class balancing or anything.

Perhaps actually do an internship and see who classes/races etc are made then y ou would understand them ....but yes it tames the same amount of resources to make a male or female version of the same class as it does a new class so why not make a new class?

Aeander · February 2016

Urncaller said:

Samhael said:

Pearl's argument that copying an existing class to add the other sex would take almost as much time as creating a whole new class doesn't make any sense to me. What sort of screwed up system do they have where that would be such an internal mess? With the other sex, it's not like they would have to worry about adjusting for class balancing or anything.

Perhaps actually do an internship and see who classes/races etc are made then y ou would understand them ....but yes it tames the same amount of resources to make a male or female version of the same class as it does a new class so why not make a new class?

That is inherently false. You do not have to design new skills. You do not have to rebalance. Most of the animations may still work. It absolutely takes less effort to unlock a class than it does to create, animate, and balance an entirely new class, and the game will be better for it.

filmoret · February 2016

verinta said:

filmoret said:

Gender locking to me is ok so long as they have of plenty of classes and a good mixture of bisexual classes.

haha, its funny, because it goes bothways.

Lol I knew that wouldn't be taken the right way. Bisexual as in both sexes are playable for classes. They have games with race locked classes as well. Its not bad so long as there is a lot of choices and they have at least 5 playable classes which aren't gender locked.

kitarad · February 2016

They also have all those clothing options,skin showing and all, so having to redo them must be a lot work which is probably why they are keeping the gender lock in place. My husband think the game looks great or should I say the female models in their clothes.

Roin · February 2016

Samhael said:

Pearl's argument that copying an existing class to add the other sex would take almost as much time as creating a whole new class doesn't make any sense to me. What sort of screwed up system do they have where that would be such an internal mess? With the other sex, it's not like they would have to worry about adjusting for class balancing or anything.

You only need to look at FFXI and WoW to see why they are right. You want to see a good example of what happens when you treat males like females and vice versa. Look at the horrible animations of EQ2. Animations was one of the great things about FFXI that I wish FFXIV had taken to same extent. Animations were on a per race AND gender format. Every female race and every male had a different animation. It was beautiful.

While PA/BDO aren't going as hardcore as FFXI did. They are adding minor differences between the classes. For me the Male Ninja and Female Ninja so far are the more noticeably different. They should be thanked for the effort they are putting into it.

Look at these two video's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bri7HZb4rE4&list=FLF2hyWBcvLG73g6nHdE_myA&index=195

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tydtVMKIEV4&list=FLF2hyWBcvLG73g6nHdE_myA&index=193

Sovrath · February 2016

Roin said:

Samhael said:

Pearl's argument that copying an existing class to add the other sex would take almost as much time as creating a whole new class doesn't make any sense to me. What sort of screwed up system do they have where that would be such an internal mess? With the other sex, it's not like they would have to worry about adjusting for class balancing or anything.

You only need to look at FFXI and WoW to see why they are right. You want to see a good example of what happens when you treat males like females and vice versa. Look at the horrible animations of EQ2. Animations was one of the great things about FFXI that I wish FFXIV had taken to same extent. Animations were on a per race AND gender format. Every female race and every male had a different animation. It was beautiful.

While PA/BDO aren't going as hardcore as FFXI did. They are adding minor differences between the classes. For me the Male Ninja and Female Ninja so far are the more noticeably different. They should be thanked for the effort they are putting into it.

Look at these two video's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bri7HZb4rE4&list=FLF2hyWBcvLG73g6nHdE_myA&index=195

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tydtVMKIEV4&list=FLF2hyWBcvLG73g6nHdE_myA&index=193

Animations in Asian games always seem so much better, with a lot of nuance.

I remember the first time I played Final Fantasy 14 I noted all the subtle little movements of the body and the clothing.

And now I've been playing Dragon's Dogma (single player game) and was nothing how much weight and substance the characters have with their movements.

Sovrath · February 2016

Rhoklaw said:

I thought they confirmed Dwarves as the newest Race/Class or is it still only semi confirmed?

I didn't see anything like that. The only mention I saw that had some specificity was the "halfling" race.

NordicApache · February 2016

So much for playing the character and persona I want in an MMO. Why even have any choice if this is how they stand and choose to do it?
After all the reading and such regarding this game, they have lost my interest entirely. To those that eat up this type of game: Good luck! I hope you find the game you are searching for.

To me, this just continues to highlight how much I will dislike this Developer and the game they have made. It does have some shiny bits though that look really good but overall it reeks of regret to me.

Amathe · February 2016

I guess there is no Title IX in fantasy worlds.

JudgeUK · February 2016

filmoret said:

verinta said:

filmoret said:

Gender locking to me is ok so long as they have of plenty of classes and a good mixture of bisexual classes.

haha, its funny, because it goes bothways.

Lol I knew that wouldn't be taken the right way. Bisexual as in both sexes are playable for classes. They have games with race locked classes as well. Its not bad so long as there is a lot of choices and they have at least 5 playable classes which aren't gender locked.

No, a bisexual class is a good idea! It would make grouping a lot easier.

jesteralways · February 2016

If people have problem with gender locking don't play the game. It is the developer's right to set the lore of their game, they don't need to abide by somebody's political correctness in the fantasy world they are creating.

Sovrath · February 2016

Rhoklaw said:

Sovrath said:

Rhoklaw said:

I thought they confirmed Dwarves as the newest Race/Class or is it still only semi confirmed?

I didn't see anything like that. The only mention I saw that had some specificity was the "halfling" race.

From a forum thread on blackdeserthq.com

Question By Shawn Mallette

Quote:
I am curious. You mentioned a dwarf race, will there be a playable class for dwarfs in the future? Or are they strictly an NPC race?

I appreciate how many questions you answer! Black Desert looks so amazing, you guys are doing a wonderful job!

Answer By Pearl Abyss
Quote:
We are still discussing about dwarf race. It could be, but not sure when we makes it. At this moment, dwarf race is exist only NPC.

Ok, but that's not really a confirmation. It just pretty much reiterates their other info that when they add races they will do so from races that already exist in game.

When you said confirmation I was thinking that they said "yup, next up dwarf race!"

Herase · February 2016

Gorwe said:

Why is everyone crying about the genderlock? I am more concerned that their races are so...typical. Nothing at all creative.

Think it would be much easier to implement a races already in the lore than introducing a completely new one. Some of them aren't that common, you have Deer folk, half animals (otters I think) and Shai what are like mouse or mini elfs or something lol

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