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The position of SC fans is this crazy paradox when it comes to Smart.
On one hand, they say Smart's a know-nothing, has-been developer who doesn't know what he's talking about, etc.
Until some bad news crops up with SC. Then suddenly, the SC faithful somehow find a way to attribute it to Derek.
Hell, I've read articles about SC where Smart isn't even *mentioned*, nor even referred to. Somehow, within the first 2 or 3 comments, people are bringing his name up to dismiss the entire article anyway.
They are absolutely obsessed with the guy.
Here's something else to consider.
Both LoD and SC are described, by their respective developers, to be in Alpha stage at this point.
Yet, ever notice how, when you point out problems in SC - a game with a budget of over 100 million in backer funding, a huge team, spread across multiple offices encompassing multiple companies... they'll immediately argue "It's Alpha! It's not finished yet! Of course there's going to be bugs! Be patient!" Doesn't matter how big the problem may be... simply saying "It's Alpha!" explains away everything.
Yet, let those same people see even a *slight* bug or glitch in LoD - a game developed by a far smaller team (IIRC, no more than 23 people at most at one point), and self-funded (no backers, no investors, no time-limited sales of jpeg ships) on a small fraction of the budget, and suddenly, saying "it's Alpha" doesn't matter. Those same people will say "No. That doesn't excuse it. There's no excuse why this game is still in this condition".
Go look at any of a number of YT vids where people are playing SC and running into some crazy bugs. SC fans will immediately fall all over themselves trying to excuse it away, in some cases, blaming the poster for it. And, of course, it's almost guaranteed some of them are going to invariably bring up Derek Smart.
The hypocrisy, the double-standards, the spin, the deflections, the denial, the cognitive dissonance, the sheer nonsense that comes from many of the SC faithful is amazing to witness.
Another case in point, if there's one thing you could never accuse Derek of being, it's shy with his opinions, or not saying exactly what he thinks, loudly, un-apologetically, and typically, at length. Derek has explained his whole deal with SC numerous times, in articles, in blogs, in interviews, etc. He's explained *exactly* what his issues are with SC, and *exactly* what bothers him about it, and *exactly* what he's wanted to see from the start. He's stated it, re-stated it and then stated it again.
But, will you ever hear any of his *actual* position accurately represented by any of the SC fans? Nope. Not even close. I don't even think most of them know what his actual position is. They're too busy making up their own version of it to be bothered. Intellectual honesty doesn't seem very important to many of them.
If you are at all interested in hearing Derek's take on this, and you genuinely and honestly want to know, then go hear it from Derek himself. Don't go on what the SC fans tell you. Anything they tell you, just ignore it. Don't listen to it. Whether you're on one side, the other side, completely neutral, or just purely curious... if you want to know the actual reasons, go to the source.
Someone earlier in the suggested, or asked, if should everything come crashing down with SC, will they all blame Derek for it. That one's easy... Of course they will. 100% guaranteed. Count on it. And all the while, they'll be simultaneously calling him a know-nothing, nobody, has-been who doesn't know what he's talking about... but was somehow responsible for destroying a game he didn't have even a single line of code in.
I'm now going to sit here and see how long it takes for someone to accuse me of being Derek Smart on a fake account. That's another thing. So open are the minds of many SC fans, and so developed are their critical thinking skills, that if you so much as post anything that isn't bashing DS, you are automatically accused of being him. It's happened to me 5 times now across various sites, etc. All because someone said something about DS or LoD, and *dared* to say 'Umm.. no that's not correct. This is how it is".
An amazing slice of humanity those SC fans, I'll tell ya.
/sigh....Goob on the SC forums (the RSI ones, not here lol) the fans will bring this picture out and use it to shoot down any criticism of it being late. I know the 4% is there but that's why I was saying I love it when they bring out this image as a defense. I didn't mean you specifically using it
Printouts were made and lines were crossed with marker pens etc.
Just....
Imagine this.
AN EXEC AT CIG, PRINTED MY ORIGINAL POST AND USED MARKER PENS TO HIGHLIGHT AND DISCUSS STRATEGY TO DISCREDIT IT!
And now.. don't imagine it cause it is F------ REAL!!!!
Just.... Wut? Not even LOLWUT. Just... WUT?!
I think I officially won the internet or something cause.... WUT?!
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
But the issue here is that, CIG THRIVE on the hype train. Their very existence, literally, depends on getting all the suckers, marks and clueless folk hot and bothered so that they go out there and repeatedly spend big...purely driven by fancy jpegs, costly promo videos, big name star cast, a whole shit ton of promises which will most certainly not be delivered and everything else all the way down the gravy train.
And you bet your ass, their shills will NOT stop talking bout it here or on any other soapbox where they can spread the good word from. Release date or no release date, their shills are given a brief to 'gather hype' and pass it off as genuine interest created by the general public. CIG did not invent any such way of marketing, but they really are good at it. That is what separates a good con job from a great one, in the great ones even the marks left naked and stranded in the middle of the desert dont want to believe that they just got robbed silly.
This project may have started out with pure intent to bank on a "big name" developer's legacy and deliver an actual game. But when said "big name" guy saw the boatloads of money pouring in...the raison d'être of this project changed from making a game to making more money. What half assed game comes out of the end of this tunnel, will be the lynchpin for some major changes in the entire gaming and crowdfunding subsphere.
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Now after release, repeating the very same words from back then would be like preaching to the choir on this site.
Quite a few companies, even the ones who dont solely deliver on pipedreams, have monitors on the vast spectrum of social media avenues to scout out any damaging bit of information and take measures to either outright negate any blowback or at least douse the flames. Even "celebrities", politicians and other people who need to maintain positive public persona, have dedicated PR teams for such duties.
Small word of advice to you is to go mail BMurphy directly (for whatever good that may do...) when you see certain shills purposefully derail this thread by constantly dragging in topic-unrelated 3rd party developers. Im putting this in a public post rather than PM because everyone needs to know that those shills get paid for getting such threads locked, ie performing "damage control", by using main accounts, burner accounts and circle jerking support from the cultists.
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Now after release, repeating the very same words from back then would be like preaching to the choir on this site.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
*you're
There, thread fully devolved now. Move along everyone
Make a post with predictions. Then follow up with another post that proclaims that MAYBE the predictions will not come true because those "forces behind the scenes" changed EVERYTHING just because of that one post made by you.
So ... you made sure that you will always be correct, no matter if the predictions come true or not. LMAO.
Now ... let us take a look at your prediction about developers leaving CIG in the next 4 weeks.
The average yearly turnover rate is 15.7 %
http://www.compensationforce.com/2015/03/2014-turnover-rates-by-industry.html
https://www.nbrii.com/employee-survey-white-papers/survey-research-yields-data-on-employee-turnover/
We know its significantly higher than the average in the video game industry, but lets work with those numbers. Lets assume CIG worldwide has around 266 employees (the last official number i heard was 266, 300 is the number currently being cited most in forums - without source link - and The Smarty always throws around the number 500, which he most likely pulled out of....).
15.7 % of 266 is 41,76 people leaving per annum. Thats around 3.48 people leaving per month.
Your prediction: 3 people will leave CIG in the next month.
Conclusion:
The turnover rate at CIG is lower than the average across ALL industries, hinting at employee satisfaction. It is most likely significantly lower than the average for the video gaming industry.
Have fun
I don't talk to toxic people like you who always attack people. GTFO my thread.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
So... trolling confirmed?
Or is this the 'puppet master' stage? I always get confused.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
So I can just source the staff in this site if this thread gets locked because of 'damage control' and copy paste a new one.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
There are several things wrong with what you are now doing. If you just let the thread sit for four weeks I'd be OK. But now you keep adding unsubstantiated claims on top of the original ones. If you are telling the truth with your latest claims, you are risking outing your source, which is also a bad idea.
I haven't donated a single cent to SC or any other source funded project. I think SC will never meet the goals that have been set, but what you are currently doing is really hard to condone without further proof.
You are very close to flagable material with this thread, if you haven't already passed that point.
Funny. Once you are confronted with some verifyable facts, you call people "toxic" and tell them to GTFO. ;-)
And if you wonder why i post now ... there is something called international time zones ... and not everyone is in Kansas ..err.. i mean Otago ... anymore. In Europe we do some exotic things like SLEEPING ;-) once in a while.
Have fun
Example. The '180' discredit information came from multiple sources (larger than 5).
As I said in my original post, I DIDN'T write the original quote. It is something that I saw on social media.
Hence why the '4 weeks' wait to confirm whether the quote is accurate or not. Although, this discredit move is making me believe it is accurate.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Remember Alganon !
Have fun
It was a garbage trolling post so just GTFO.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
What's next ? Death threats ? Pet bunny in a cooking pot ?
I could probably vaguely understand it if the game was "violating" someone's treasured IP, but it's not. I can only attribute this constant stream of vitriol to pure jealousy, both of the project's success in fundraising and of the backers who are often spending more than many people can afford.
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The agents of CIG are everywhere ! Even a close friend or family member may have fallen under their influence ! Lock your doors and guard your children, for you never know from whence they may attack next ! This insiduous corruption is permeating every thread of our society. If it is left unchecked, the end of days will surely not be long in coming !
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You're all soooo jealous of Star Citizen's ability to raise 110million of backers money and spend it on 4% of the game's develoment.
..Cake..
Have Fun!