Well, I could be mistaken but I do believe they did (and still are doing) fairly well financially with their MMORPG.
They did. So? Their newest sucesses (D3, and hearthstone) are not mmorpgs. You can as well say they should make more ARPGs, or card games.
mmorpg is more investment, more risk, falling out of gaming trend. So again, why bother?
But you didn't address the rest of my post. Stop wasting my time.
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I'd rather see Blizzard work on a new IP for an MMO. They aren't looking into another MMO though, because they saw the bleak future of the MMO market, and it's the reason they scrapped Project Titan.
I'd rather see Blizzard work on a new IP for an MMO. They aren't looking into another MMO though, because they saw the bleak future of the MMO market, and it's the reason they scrapped Project Titan.
Do we actually believe project titan was a MMO RPG? they said it was a MMO and would not compete with wow. With today's definition of MMO I'm pretty sure Overwatch fits everything they officially said. My guess is people expected so much out of Titan they just said they killed it when they announced Overwatch when it really was Overwatch from the start.
I'd rather see Blizzard work on a new IP for an MMO. They aren't looking into another MMO though, because they saw the bleak future of the MMO market, and it's the reason they scrapped Project Titan.
Do we actually believe project titan was a MMO RPG? they said it was a MMO and would not compete with wow. With today's definition of MMO I'm pretty sure Overwatch fits everything they officially said. My guess is people expected so much out of Titan they just said they killed it when they announced Overwatch when it really was Overwatch from the start.
We wont see another large scale mmo that was WoW 4+ years in development time with no profit (yes Blizzard has budget to allocate to it, however the history of mmos of late have made it hard to persuade investors and directors/producers to tackle a shrinking/difficult market. Look at blizzards line up and how it has changed its games, they are jumping on the fact so many people are gaming and the 30min to 1 hour demographic just out weights the smaller hardcore mmo group
Making so much noise you dont know when to listen.
I'd rather see Blizzard work on a new IP for an MMO. They aren't looking into another MMO though, because they saw the bleak future of the MMO market, and it's the reason they scrapped Project Titan.
Do we actually believe project titan was a MMO RPG? they said it was a MMO and would not compete with wow. With today's definition of MMO I'm pretty sure Overwatch fits everything they officially said. My guess is people expected so much out of Titan they just said they killed it when they announced Overwatch when it really was Overwatch from the start.
I'd rather see Blizzard work on a new IP for an MMO. They aren't looking into another MMO though, because they saw the bleak future of the MMO market, and it's the reason they scrapped Project Titan.
Do we actually believe project titan was a MMO RPG? they said it was a MMO and would not compete with wow. With today's definition of MMO I'm pretty sure Overwatch fits everything they officially said. My guess is people expected so much out of Titan they just said they killed it when they announced Overwatch when it really was Overwatch from the start.
Project Titan cancelled was also an announcement. How does that fit in your theory.
What do you mean? that is indeed both the case and what I said? "People expected so much out of titan they just said they killed it" By this I meant "They announced that they cancelled Project Titan". It could be thats totally true and titan was a MMORPG, I'm somewhat hesitant to believe that given they said it wasn't going to compete with wow.
My statement was not suggesting titan isn't "cancelled" but more suggesting Overwatch is what Project titan was all along but people expected too much. The link from moon-daddy says they really had a project titan and overwatch was born from it. Could be. I don't expect it's a lie what they stated, but more a spin of the truth.
It would be soooooo fking nice .... think about it ! Now you can pay 25euro for mounts (cosmetic) on 2 different games, maybe hosted on the same server, in the same lore universe, yet still soooo different....
New Features ? -- RAIDing from behind ... means if you play wow2 you start from the other side of the dungeon and try to get to the start point for the old wow1 players ... PVP ?!?! L O L !!! we talk about the game where holding hand and killing monsters for a better africa is the only! thing which is seen as mmo / rpg todays ! ...
I tell you what we "really" need .... a fking Publisher or Firm or whatever, which buys the whole activision / blizzard shit (and yes i said shit, because do you think that one person who really made the games you like is still there ?!?! The most of them were rich after warcraft 3 und starcraft 1) and then immediately close the firm with a youtube video for ALL future wanna be big publishers to see ...
But it all will remain a dream .... because chasing after loot without any! consequences is the ShizNit ! Thats why sooo many people preordered the next wow expansion, without even thinking! to play together or even join a guild ... play all the "story parts" alone and if there is a big boss .... LFG !!
But at this point i stop my writing, because you all will think atm that this story is sooo old and known ...And yeah you should think that , because you are one of the people who play this "ShizNit - Style"
So dont be offended , instead JOIN a GUILD ! .... and for the rest ... they soon implement a method, where you can press F5 (or whatever) ... and all NOT-NPC players / things .... will be gone .... so you can PVE Farming for the best stuff and stay with all the other players (and the same stuff) in the last town and scream ... "LFG" ...
Press F5 again and you can see some other players ... maybe your friends again ...
What we need is a bold and passionate developer with proper funding - and we need a proper merging of sandbox and themepark. In fact, we need something that makes those two paradigms completely out of date - and does something we've never seen before.
We need entirely new mechanics and entirely new angles of approach to the genre. Perhaps something where combat is very rare and very deadly. Something where exploration takes up more of your time than grinding. Something where players truly shape the future - but also where the world and the lore is so immersive and established that it doesn't feel like a vacant globe with pretty textures.
We need reasons to spend our time with the game that don't remind us of how much time we've wasted grinding in the MMOs of the past.
Most people don't want something entirely new until a visionary comes around and shows it to them, so that's why it's incredibly hard to get support behind it - and why it's so rare.
What we need is a bold and passionate developer with proper funding - and we need a proper merging of sandbox and themepark. In fact, we need something that makes those two paradigms completely out of date - and does something we've never seen before.
We need entirely new mechanics and entirely new angles of approach to the genre. Perhaps something where combat is very rare and very deadly. Something where exploration takes up more of your time than grinding. Something where players truly shape the future - but also where the world and the lore is so immersive and established that it doesn't feel like a vacant globe with pretty textures.
We need reasons to spend our time with the game that don't remind us of how much time we've wasted grinding in the MMOs of the past.
Most people don't want something entirely new until a visionary comes around and shows it to them, so that's why it's incredibly hard to get support behind it - and why it's so rare.
What we need is a bold and passionate developer with proper funding - and we need a proper merging of sandbox and themepark. In fact, we need something that makes those two paradigms completely out of date - and does something we've never seen before.
We need entirely new mechanics and entirely new angles of approach to the genre. Perhaps something where combat is very rare and very deadly. Something where exploration takes up more of your time than grinding. Something where players truly shape the future - but also where the world and the lore is so immersive and established that it doesn't feel like a vacant globe with pretty textures.
We need reasons to spend our time with the game that don't remind us of how much time we've wasted grinding in the MMOs of the past.
Most people don't want something entirely new until a visionary comes around and shows it to them, so that's why it's incredibly hard to get support behind it - and why it's so rare.
But that's what we need.
A Dream you mean :P ....
Most people would consider it a dream or too unrealistic.
Until someone makes it real. It has happened before and it will happen again.
You cant make anything better then the best. WOW is king and the best its impossible to make anything better.
Yes you can. LoL is more successful. Hearthstone has more players. So is World of Tank.
The trick is make something other than mmorpgs.
Dude, I been subbed to WOW for 15 years now. You saying I don't need to?
I am saying there are plenty of other games to consider now. I also subbed to WOW for 3.5 years .. some years ago.
And I figure out why spend all my time in one game, when there are so many other fun ones?
Obviously it is your prerogative to figure out what games you want to play. But a) there are many more successful games than WoW (online, combat, with RPG elements ...) and b) i don't think one needs to commit to one video game.
As much as i would like World of Starcraft, its quite hard to make classes for it.
"Ill play a zergling!" "ill play a battlecruiser" XD
But the fact is, the most succesful games since WoW has been the games that are quite similiar to EQ/DaoC/WoW even though everyone wants (or think) they want things to be different. I actually think the majority wants the mechanics to be closer to older games, but the content more friendly. Imo the more quests, the better. (no dailys, ill travel back in time and shoot the person that adds dailys)
Rift, Lotro, Warhammer, Swtor are all using the old formula and survived the longest out of the newer games. The only one beeing different is GW2, which i didnt like the combat in, aswell as the lack of progression. Im oldschool so i prefer tabtargeting and holy trinity. Actioncombat have a tendancy to become to spammy, twitchy and limited due to fewer skills for me.
Theres SOOOO many boring action combat games that talk big about beeing "revolutionary" and "not at all like WoW" but they just end up meh.
I didnt play WoW more then the first 30 days becouse for me it was to easy but right now i think Blizzard are the only company that actually have the resources to make a major AAA mmorpg.
God knows the future is grim right now for mmorpgs, nothing at the horizon at all to look forward to.
God knows the future is grim right now for mmorpgs, nothing at the horizon at all to look forward to.
OTOH, there are plenty of other fun games, even online games to play with. Nothing last forever. It is not like there is a lack of entertainment these days.
If it was anyone other than Blizzard, I would be on board. If anyone here knows anything about business, Blizzard is the last company you would want handling any game. The company is now a gaming company run by advertisers. If you don't understand that, then i suggest you start reading up on what happens to company when they become too big.
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Overwatch was born out of the wreckage of Titan
We wont see another large scale mmo that was WoW
4+ years in development time with no profit (yes Blizzard has budget to allocate to it, however the history of mmos of late have made it hard to persuade investors and directors/producers to tackle a shrinking/difficult market.
Look at blizzards line up and how it has changed its games, they are jumping on the fact so many people are gaming and the 30min to 1 hour demographic just out weights the smaller hardcore mmo group
Making so much noise you dont know when to listen.
My statement was not suggesting titan isn't "cancelled" but more suggesting Overwatch is what Project titan was all along but people expected too much. The link from moon-daddy says they really had a project titan and overwatch was born from it. Could be. I don't expect it's a lie what they stated, but more a spin of the truth.
New Features ? -- RAIDing from behind ... means if you play wow2 you start from the other side of the dungeon and try to get to the start point for the old wow1 players ... PVP ?!?! L O L !!! we talk about the game where holding hand and killing monsters for a better africa is the only! thing which is seen as mmo / rpg todays ! ...
I tell you what we "really" need .... a fking Publisher or Firm or whatever, which buys the whole activision / blizzard shit (and yes i said shit, because do you think that one person who really made the games you like is still there ?!?! The most of them were rich after warcraft 3 und starcraft 1) and then immediately close the firm with a youtube video for ALL future wanna be big publishers to see ...
But it all will remain a dream .... because chasing after loot without any! consequences is the ShizNit ! Thats why sooo many people preordered the next wow expansion, without even thinking! to play together or even join a guild ... play all the "story parts" alone and if there is a big boss .... LFG !!
But at this point i stop my writing, because you all will think atm that this story is sooo old and known ...And yeah you should think that , because you are one of the people who play this "ShizNit - Style"
So dont be offended , instead JOIN a GUILD ! .... and for the rest ... they soon implement a method, where you can press F5 (or whatever) ... and all NOT-NPC players / things .... will be gone .... so you can PVE Farming for the best stuff and stay with all the other players (and the same stuff) in the last town and scream ... "LFG" ...
Press F5 again and you can see some other players ... maybe your friends again
What we need is a bold and passionate developer with proper funding - and we need a proper merging of sandbox and themepark. In fact, we need something that makes those two paradigms completely out of date - and does something we've never seen before.
We need entirely new mechanics and entirely new angles of approach to the genre. Perhaps something where combat is very rare and very deadly. Something where exploration takes up more of your time than grinding. Something where players truly shape the future - but also where the world and the lore is so immersive and established that it doesn't feel like a vacant globe with pretty textures.
We need reasons to spend our time with the game that don't remind us of how much time we've wasted grinding in the MMOs of the past.
Most people don't want something entirely new until a visionary comes around and shows it to them, so that's why it's incredibly hard to get support behind it - and why it's so rare.
But that's what we need.
Until someone makes it real. It has happened before and it will happen again.
The trick is make something other than mmorpgs.
And I figure out why spend all my time in one game, when there are so many other fun ones?
Obviously it is your prerogative to figure out what games you want to play. But a) there are many more successful games than WoW (online, combat, with RPG elements ...) and b) i don't think one needs to commit to one video game.
There will never be another WoW.
As much as i would like World of Starcraft, its quite hard to make classes for it.
"Ill play a zergling!" "ill play a battlecruiser" XD
But the fact is, the most succesful games since WoW has been the games that are quite similiar to EQ/DaoC/WoW even though everyone wants (or think) they want things to be different. I actually think the majority wants the mechanics to be closer to older games, but the content more friendly. Imo the more quests, the better. (no dailys, ill travel back in time and shoot the person that adds dailys)
Rift, Lotro, Warhammer, Swtor are all using the old formula and survived the longest out of the newer games. The only one beeing different is GW2, which i didnt like the combat in, aswell as the lack of progression. Im oldschool so i prefer tabtargeting and holy trinity. Actioncombat have a tendancy to become to spammy, twitchy and limited due to fewer skills for me.
Theres SOOOO many boring action combat games that talk big about beeing "revolutionary" and "not at all like WoW" but they just end up meh.
I didnt play WoW more then the first 30 days becouse for me it was to easy but right now i think Blizzard are the only company that actually have the resources to make a major AAA mmorpg.
God knows the future is grim right now for mmorpgs, nothing at the horizon at all to look forward to.
If it was anyone other than Blizzard, I would be on board. If anyone here knows anything about business, Blizzard is the last company you would want handling any game. The company is now a gaming company run by advertisers. If you don't understand that, then i suggest you start reading up on what happens to company when they become too big.
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