I don't find the topic even revelant though, you can't prove if it is actually people playing the game, or people just trying out games to see if it suck.
Relevant enough for you to post multiple times.
And no, i cannot prove beyond the fact that conversion is 10% for the lifetime of players. But hey, if i can prove everything, there is no needs for discussions.
Plus, would you actually bet money (or your career) on the assumption that people who play the game will play?
I don't find the topic even revelant though, you can't prove if it is actually people playing the game, or people just trying out games to see if it suck.
Relevant enough for you to post multiple times.
And no, i cannot prove beyond the fact that conversion is 10% for the lifetime of players. But hey, if i can prove everything, there is no needs for discussions.
Plus, would you actually bet money (or your career) on the assumption that people who play the game will play?
I think it's more because people like you and me have a personality problem. That's why we spend so much time arguing over the internet. Or unless you are a person trying to direct traffic to this site because your livelihood depends on it, that's a different story.
I actually don't even know what lifetime conversion rate mean.
But I'm willing to bet atleast for mmorpg that the percentage that have paid who is online concurrently at any given time is at least significantly greater than 10%.
Because who really care weather or not someone isn't even playing the game paid or not.
But I'm only talking mmorpg. Other genre may vary.
You have to be bonkers to believe this game is free! It is clearly pay-to-win. I tried it, you cannot compete with the people who spend money. The problem with this game, you can't spend just a little, you end up spending a lot to be competitive.
To the thread starter, shame on you for blatantly lying to people.
I think it's more because people like you and me have a personality problem. That's why we spend so much time arguing over the internet. Or unless you are a person trying to direct traffic to this site because your livelihood depends on it, that's a different story.
I actually don't even know what lifetime conversion rate mean.
Really? I suppose i can spell it for you. If you count everyone who try the game for 1 min, or play for 10 years, 10% of them pay something. Is that clear enough for you, or do you like an numerical example?
What personality problem? If you do not like to argue over the internet, why are you posting at all? I only do it when it is fun, not unlike why i play video games. Otherwise, what is the point?
So 10% of the population is spending more than they should have to so others can play for free.......
Sounds like a great deal for the people with no money.
You are confused between "unable to pay" to "unwilling to pay".
It is a great deal for those who have better use for their money than MMOs. Case in point, I would much rather spend $50 on a bottle of wine than on MMOs.
Oh but I'm not, if your playing for free then its good enough to play, and if its good enough to play you SHOULD BE PAYING FOR IT.
If its not good enough to play but your still playing it for some Bizarre reason then that's a character flaw that needs to be worked on, maybe the bottle of wine makes bad free games playable? I don't know.
just from its selection steam seems to be where games go to die mostly , not flourish. cant imagine any metrics from Valve really can be looked at as accurate or meaningful.
So 10% of the population is spending more than they should have to so others can play for free.......
Sounds like a great deal for the people with no money.
You are confused between "unable to pay" to "unwilling to pay".
It is a great deal for those who have better use for their money than MMOs. Case in point, I would much rather spend $50 on a bottle of wine than on MMOs.
Oh but I'm not, if your playing for free then its good enough to play, and if its good enough to play you SHOULD BE PAYING FOR IT.
If its not good enough to play but your still playing it for some Bizarre reason then that's a character flaw that needs to be worked on, maybe the bottle of wine makes bad free games playable? I don't know.
Perhaps you're on to something there...
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You have to be bonkers to believe this game is free! It is clearly pay-to-win.
hmm ... p2w games are free to everyone but the whales.
Do you know what f2p means? f2p does not mean that you are competitive. It means that you can play the game without paying a cent.
Do you dispute the 10% life-time conversion rate? Clearly for everyone who has played the game, 90% pays nothing. If that is not free, what is?
I'll ask you a question which is a bit different. For those that are actually online playing that game right now, what percentage have never paid anything.
Obviously no one knows the answer. But just out of my curiosity what would you guess the number is.
I'll ask you a question which is a bit different. For those that are actually online playing that game right now, what percentage have never paid anything.
Obviously no one knows the answer. But just out of my curiosity what would you guess the number is.
If i find data, you will be the first to know. There is no basis to guess that number.
The only thing an f2p game has over its p2p counterpart is just the minute "buffer" that is artifically created for you. Like I said its just a small window that bridges the gap between being able to play the game free of charge and having to pay. This is true because the payment model does not matter between the two and developers can choose either route.
It's false to assume that any 'good will' of the players is involved to being able fund the game. Economics is a strong ally to have on your side after all.. much stronger then your own backbone for sure.
As someone who used to play.... the game is utterly dead. You will find people for sure, but there will be tons and tons of very old inactive accounts. Mine included.
As someone who used to play.... the game is utterly dead. You will find people for sure, but there will be tons and tons of very old inactive accounts. Mine included.
are you one of the 10% or the 90%? How long did you play?
......maybe the bottle of wine makes bad free games playable? ......
Yes it does. Does that make the game P2P?
But "bad" is subjective.
And no matter how much wine I drink, i can't make EQ or Eve playable for me ... so nah .. that does not work.
Really? Are you trying to play them on a flip phone?
well, why would I want to downgrade to EQ when most smart phone games have better graphics & gameplay .. and most don't need you to stand in-line for an hour to kill a static respawn?
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And no, i cannot prove beyond the fact that conversion is 10% for the lifetime of players. But hey, if i can prove everything, there is no needs for discussions.
Plus, would you actually bet money (or your career) on the assumption that people who play the game will play?
I actually don't even know what lifetime conversion rate mean.
But I'm willing to bet atleast for mmorpg that the percentage that have paid who is online concurrently at any given time is at least significantly greater than 10%.
Because who really care weather or not someone isn't even playing the game paid or not.
But I'm only talking mmorpg. Other genre may vary.
To the thread starter, shame on you for blatantly lying to people.
What personality problem? If you do not like to argue over the internet, why are you posting at all? I only do it when it is fun, not unlike why i play video games. Otherwise, what is the point?
Do you know what f2p means? f2p does not mean that you are competitive. It means that you can play the game without paying a cent.
Do you dispute the 10% life-time conversion rate? Clearly for everyone who has played the game, 90% pays nothing. If that is not free, what is?
If its not good enough to play but your still playing it for some Bizarre reason then that's a character flaw that needs to be worked on, maybe the bottle of wine makes bad free games playable? I don't know.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Obviously no one knows the answer. But just out of my curiosity what would you guess the number is.
If the devs want to give out part of the "good enough" game for free, is there a reason why i should not take advantage and enjoy it?
It is not like I force devs to give me free games.
It's false to assume that any 'good will' of the players is involved to being able fund the game. Economics is a strong ally to have on your side after all.. much stronger then your own backbone for sure.
And no matter how much wine I drink, i can't make EQ or Eve playable for me ... so nah .. that does not work.
I mean the one he played. I don't know what the game he is talking about in the beginning. Or if he even played it.
I'm afraid people might think I'm implying the game in the article. So I'm just clarifying it.