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Superdata: WoW still on top: April 2016

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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Why does it have multiple F2P games lumped in with WoW on the P2P list?
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,200
    Remind me since when SWTOR , Tera and Blade & Soul are P2P !

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,386
    edited June 2016
    Nice to see SWTOR up there. /sticks tongue out  at all those people who said the game would be dead in awhile. So much for all the doom predictions.
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  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,367
    yeah i think ESO and FFXIV should have been there , maybe even gw2 too  , i tho tera was almost dead and L2 ? lolwhat? so many ppl playing still? classic server was a failure isnt it?
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  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    edited June 2016
    Forgrimm said:
    Why does it have multiple F2P games lumped in with WoW on the P2P list?
    Because they have optional subscriptions.

    Just goes to show you, all the titles that allow you to play for free but give you extras for subbing still outperform most of the locked titles that force you to pay it to access.
  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    edited June 2016
    scorpex-x said:
    Torval said:
    Interesting. I would have thought both FF14 and ESO would have outperformed TERA and BnS.

    Forgrimm, I think the requirement for being on the P2P list is offering a subscription, not mandating one.

    I really wish they would start breaking out mmo arena games like moba and arena shooters from more persistent world mmos in the f2p list.

    Warlyx said:
    yeah i think ESO and FFXIV should have been there , maybe even gw2 too  , i tho tera was almost dead and L2 ? lolwhat? so many ppl playing still? classic server was a failure isnt it?
    TERA financials show the game makes a ton of money.One of the MMOs actually given traction on Steam even.
     Also it is Lineage I not Lineage II.
    Lineage I has remained one of the most profitable MMO games in the world since release.

    Thing with Tera is that people don't understand why it's so profitable, they think it's just Tera North America.

    Tera runs in many regions, there are around 6 different versions of Tera running right now and they are all seperate and funneling money back to the developer.  It's one the most profitable modern mmo titles running.  Given how profitable it is, it's maddening that they put so little effort into the updates.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited June 2016
    Q: What type of data do we have and where do we get it?
    A: Every month we collect the spending data of millions of unique paying online gamers directly from publishers and developers, totaling 50+ publishers and 500+ game titles.
    Q: What do we do with the data?
    A: We clean, aggregate, and analyze these data to establish market benchmarks for all segments of digital games, then build title-level models to speak to the KPIs of top performing games
    Q: How do we analyze data?
    A: We combine the digital point-of-sale data with qualitative consumer insights to speak to the “why” of the market.
    Q: What do we send to you?
    A: Our research covers everything from worldwide genre benchmarks to title-level KPIs, country-level deep dives to brand equity.

    Remember this is a guess.

    If they got actual - game level data - from publishers they wouldn't need steps 2 to 4. 

    Basically its a case of is WoW still bigger than L1? The safe answer is yes so that is 1 and 2. 

    No $$$ numbers either is this the new norm?
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Torval said:
    gervaise1 said:
    Q: What type of data do we have and where do we get it?
    A: Every month we collect the spending data of millions of unique paying online gamers directly from publishers and developers, totaling 50+ publishers and 500+ game titles.
    Q: What do we do with the data?
    A: We clean, aggregate, and analyze these data to establish market benchmarks for all segments of digital games, then build title-level models to speak to the KPIs of top performing games
    Q: How do we analyze data?
    A: We combine the digital point-of-sale data with qualitative consumer insights to speak to the “why” of the market.
    Q: What do we send to you?
    A: Our research covers everything from worldwide genre benchmarks to title-level KPIs, country-level deep dives to brand equity.

    Remember this is a guess.

    If they got actual - game level data - from publishers they wouldn't need steps 2 to 4. 

    Basically its a case of is WoW still bigger than L1? The safe answer is yes so that is 1 and 2. 

    No $$$ numbers either is this the new norm?
    I think that if NCSoft reopened Lineage servers globally again it might actually give WoW a run for its money. The grind has been softened and it's the sort of quality PvP many western gamers have been begging for. It's just a 2.5D sprite based game. That seems to be a hangup in our graphics enamored culture.
    would you happen to have any references to the statement of : 

    'The grind has been softened and it's the sort of quality PvP many western gamers have been begging for'

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    IceAge said:
    Remind me since when SWTOR , Tera and Blade & Soul are P2P !
    They are pretty bad at categorizing and most of their data are horse shit but sometimes, some times they do give some valuable information regarding spending trend of players in games.
    cheyane said:
    Nice to see SWTOR up there. /sticks tongue out  at all those people who said the game would be dead in awhile. So much for all the doom predictions.
    If we are talking about if the game is making money then yes, it is one of the healthiest game in market, you can always thank people who spend thousands upon thousands of $ in cartel market for it.

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  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    blueturtle13 said:

    Worldwide digital games market: April 2016

    Yeah I know Superdate is not the best source but none the less. Here is their list.


    https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

    BRUHAHAHAHA SWToR, TERA and BnS are NOT P2P games, so lets shove the whole article right now...
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Superdata needs to reevaluate their categories.  It looks like a jumbled mess.
  • kage71kage71 Member UncommonPosts: 123
    blueturtle13 said:

    Worldwide digital games market: April 2016

    Yeah I know Superdate is not the best source but none the less. Here is their list.


    https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

    You should be really ashamed of yourself even bring this crap up. Your topic is misleading also simply because you made this into a statement which should not read Wow still on top 2016. What it should have been read as Wow still on top 2016???? Your data is misleading because the website evidently doesn't know the meaning behind the P2P nor F2P or hybird and that's plain to see for any players who have played any of the games listed under Wow. By this site's logic we can compare the income of a billionaire to someone who is on SSI or Food Stamps.
  • CogohiCogohi Member UncommonPosts: 108
    Reizla said:

    BRUHAHAHAHA SWToR, TERA and BnS are NOT P2P games, so lets shove the whole article right now...
    Have you tried playing SW:TOR as a non-sub?  Let's see I can level and... uh, nope, that's about it.  Oh wait, get reminded how subbing makes the pain go away every time your toon breathes.

    Heck you can't even access the latest expansion without a sub.

    And just to be extra hateful non-subs have a currency cap.  Currency earned once you've accumulated enough to hit the cap goes into an "escrow".  You can pay RL money for a consumable for a one time withdrawal of some of the funds in your escrow.  Once you use that extra you have to pay again.  There is no permanent unlock.

    Back at launch it wasn't too awful but changes made in the 4.0 expansion caused rampant inflation.  Non-subs are persona non gratis in SW:TOR.  Basically sub or die.
  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    kage71 said:
    blueturtle13 said:

    Worldwide digital games market: April 2016

    Yeah I know Superdate is not the best source but none the less. Here is their list.


    https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

    You should be really ashamed of yourself even bring this crap up. Your topic is misleading also simply because you made this into a statement which should not read Wow still on top 2016. What it should have been read as Wow still on top 2016???? Your data is misleading because the website evidently doesn't know the meaning behind the P2P nor F2P or hybird and that's plain to see for any players who have played any of the games listed under Wow. By this site's logic we can compare the income of a billionaire to someone who is on SSI or Food Stamps.
    No it does, just that you don't understand it.

    An optional subscription is still a subscription.
  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    IceAge said:
    Remind me since when SWTOR , Tera and Blade & Soul are P2P !
    SWTOR has a hybrid model with both sub and f2p options. However the f2p models main purpose is to encourage people to become subscribers. And it is working.  Especially after KotFE release many f2p players turned into subscribers.
  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Reizla said:

    BRUHAHAHAHA SWToR, TERA and BnS are NOT P2P games, so lets shove the whole article right now...
    Wait.. they are not ?

    Then, to whom do i pay 13 euros per month since December 2011 for SW TOR ?

    Damn! I'm being scammed..
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...

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  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    edited June 2016
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    Yes, their categorization sucks, but isn't it a little extreme to call their entire company a "super joke" on that basis alone?  I mean you're ignoring the fact that they post some rather useful hard data on gaming, which is often hard to come by.

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  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    You have no logic here.

    Yes, an optional sub is still a subscription.  Why is this hard to understand?  

    I'm guessing you do in-fact understand it, you just don't like it.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    scorpex-x said:
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    You have no logic here.

    Yes, an optional sub is still a subscription.  Why is this hard to understand?  

    I'm guessing you do in-fact understand it, you just don't like it.
    It's optional, you don't have to pay it.

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Axehilt said:
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    Yes, their categorization sucks, but isn't it a little extreme to call their entire company a "super joke" on that basis alone?  I mean you're ignoring the fact that they post some rather useful hard data on gaming, which is often hard to come by.
    They don't know wtf a MMO is. Kinda makes any guess work data they have pretty useless.

    MOBA's are not MMOs, 5v5 is just multiplayer.

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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,164
    edited June 2016
    Nilden said:
    Axehilt said:
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    Yes, their categorization sucks, but isn't it a little extreme to call their entire company a "super joke" on that basis alone?  I mean you're ignoring the fact that they post some rather useful hard data on gaming, which is often hard to come by.
    They don't know wtf a MMO is. Kinda makes any guess work data they have pretty useless.

    MOBA's are not MMOs, 5v5 is just multiplayer.
    Just putting this out there. Massively Multiplayer Online. MOBAs are massively multiplayer, it's just that those massively multiplayer populations don't play with each other most of the time but they are playing the same game online at the same time.

  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    I'm trying to comprehend your logic or the lack of it. I can't..

    An optional sub is still a sub paid with MONEY.

    Plus in SWTOR's case in order to have access to the KotFE expansion you need a subscription. Freeloaders are locked out. The majority of the games population right now consists of subscribers.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    kitarad said:
    Nilden said:
    Axehilt said:
    Nilden said:
    Superdata is a super joke.

    Listing Hearthstone a 1v1 game as a MMO along with MOBA's, which become MMOs if you add a M at the start, MMOBA...

    Now your going to call optional subscriptions P2P? So people can't play Tera, Swtor and Blade n' Soul for free, without paying a subscription, oh wait they can.

    Once again Superdata is a super joke.

    Surprised the OP isn't Nari...
    Yes, their categorization sucks, but isn't it a little extreme to call their entire company a "super joke" on that basis alone?  I mean you're ignoring the fact that they post some rather useful hard data on gaming, which is often hard to come by.
    They don't know wtf a MMO is. Kinda makes any guess work data they have pretty useless.

    MOBA's are not MMOs, 5v5 is just multiplayer.
    Just putting this out there. Massively Multiplayer Online. MOBAs are massively multiplayer ,it's just that those massively multiplayer populations don't play with each other but they are playing the same game online at the same time.
    Then solitaire is a MMO.

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