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Kern Gauging Support for 'Spiritual Successor' to Firefall

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  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,152
    I wander if this is going to lead to a crowed funding attempt..  Makes me wander even more if the whole WoW Classic server idea was nothing more then a quick gab at attempting to get attention for his own project
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Spiritual Successor sounds like "Hey remember this game?  We would like to exploit your feelings for it by getting you to spend money on our project"!
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  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Most "spiritual successor" mmos fail.  Vanguard anyone?  Remember the "the vision"?
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Firefall is only like 2 years old... Pretty fast for a 'spiritual successor'. Maybe if you knew wtf you wanted to put in the game instead of revamping it all the time. Can't take this seriously.

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    edited July 2016
    Nilden said:
    Firefall is only like 2 years old... Pretty fast for a 'spiritual successor'. Maybe if you knew wtf you wanted to put in the game instead of revamping it all the time. Can't take this seriously.

    It's not so much a case of not knowing wtf they want. Firefall was quite well defined in early beta, and it was actually quite fun to play as an open sandbox game.  Then Kern was ousted and the game was basically re-designed to have more mass appeal, hence the state it's in today. 

    What I can't take seriously are sandbox gamers. I'm not sure why, though. I'm not sure if it's that everyone is just so damn skeptical of everything, or if it's that they really don't give a fuck. However, 1000 signatures in 1 week is pretty abysmal. It's like, "Oh! Hey! Hi, I'm a sandbox game that everyone says they love. Could you give me a hand? I'm just going to lay down in this coffin and was wondering if you could drive a couple nails in the lid and dump some dirt on top of me?" 

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  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    edited July 2016
    Meh, OG firefall was fun before it got its huge "We dont know shit" overhall.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    CrazKanuk said:
    Nilden said:
    Firefall is only like 2 years old... Pretty fast for a 'spiritual successor'. Maybe if you knew wtf you wanted to put in the game instead of revamping it all the time. Can't take this seriously.

    It's not so much a case of not knowing wtf they want. Firefall was quite well defined in early beta, and it was actually quite fun to play as an open sandbox game.  Then Kern was ousted and the game was basically re-designed to have more mass appeal, hence the state it's in today. 

    What I can't take seriously are sandbox gamers. I'm not sure why, though. I'm not sure if it's that everyone is just so damn skeptical of everything, or if it's that they really don't give a fuck. However, 1000 signatures in 1 week is pretty abysmal. It's like, "Oh! Hey! Hi, I'm a sandbox game that everyone says they love. Could you give me a hand? I'm just going to lay down in this coffin and was wondering if you could drive a couple nails in the lid and dump some dirt on top of me?" 
    I love sandbox. I have zero interest in this game. It's not because it's sandbox.

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Lol spiritual successor to firefall.....couldn't stop laughing at just that part alone.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Nilden said:
    Firefall is only like 2 years old... Pretty fast for a 'spiritual successor'. Maybe if you knew wtf you wanted to put in the game instead of revamping it all the time. Can't take this seriously.
    I have to agree here.  Also, what happened to Kern, He made a reference to a no win situation at R5. "For the past twelve months, I was presented with a Kobayashi Maru test." So what was the issue(s)? Political struggles at R5? Was it Kern who was the issue? Was the game not possible? And how would this translate into Ember? I'm far to skeptical and cynical to believe in this pitch.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    CrazKanuk said:
    Nilden said:
    Firefall is only like 2 years old... Pretty fast for a 'spiritual successor'. Maybe if you knew wtf you wanted to put in the game instead of revamping it all the time. Can't take this seriously.

    It's not so much a case of not knowing wtf they want. Firefall was quite well defined in early beta, and it was actually quite fun to play as an open sandbox game.  Then Kern was ousted and the game was basically re-designed to have more mass appeal, hence the state it's in today.
    The game change drastically right after cbt 2 or 3 and Kern was still the CEO, he was CEO until the game went OBT. If anything, i would say he was the one who started redesigning shit.

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  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    Albatroes said:
    Lol spiritual successor to firefall.....couldn't stop laughing at just that part alone.
    I thought this was a joke post.  I'm still completely perplexed by the entire idea.  Hey guys I'm gonna make the spiritual successor to a game that functions and took 26 years to make.
  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,152
    CrazKanuk said:
    Nilden said:
    Firefall is only like 2 years old... Pretty fast for a 'spiritual successor'. Maybe if you knew wtf you wanted to put in the game instead of revamping it all the time. Can't take this seriously.

    It's not so much a case of not knowing wtf they want. Firefall was quite well defined in early beta, and it was actually quite fun to play as an open sandbox game.  Then Kern was ousted and the game was basically re-designed to have more mass appeal, hence the state it's in today.
    The game change drastically right after cbt 2 or 3 and Kern was still the CEO, he was CEO until the game went OBT. If anything, i would say he was the one who started redesigning shit.
    It came down to him just not knowing wtf he wanted to do. He seen other games coming out that was doing good and then he wanted to take said ideas and put them in Firefall.

    He knew from when the beta's started for Firefall that the game was going to be nitch and not the next WoW. He just could not understand or want to believe that he couldn't create WoW.

    Sad thing is that under Blizzard they kept him in check and focused on the target. When he is in charge he is a lose cannon that can not focus on any one thing other then getting money for his next crazy idea.

    Reminds me back to these original leaks back in the day.
    https://www.techinasia.com/firefall-mark-kern-sacked-the9-story
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Has there ever been a successful "Spiritual Successor" in the MMORPG Genre? Has there ever been an MMORPG released that does a really good job capturing the essence of the game it was based on? And games where players have left to return to the original, aren't spiritual successors, those are called clones.

  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    Sure make the spiritual successor. I will just add that to my list. You are now 100000000000001 on the list of games that will probably never be made.
     
  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    Albatroes said:
    Lol spiritual successor to firefall.....couldn't stop laughing at just that part alone.

    Yeah, spiritual successor to a particular iteration of a game that existed for only a brief flicker of a moment that didn't have much of a playerbase in the first place . . . wat? This is like bad idea central right here, woe be to anyone who puts any money on this farce.
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    zdoofop said:

    SBFord said:



    zdoofop said:


    am I able to get credit for my tip?






    Sure! Next time be sure to put your name as contact. :)



    yes but I meant for this story, I'm the one that tippe you guys, you can chek
    And if you look in the original post in this thread and in the original article itself in the news room, I included your name as soon as I saw your post. ;)


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  • zdoofopzdoofop Member UncommonPosts: 11
    edited July 2016
    hey everyone, if you made it through the rest of the comments, congratulations, your prize is a link to a forum post with updates:

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/453397/re-general-kern-gauging-support-for-spiritual-successor-to-firefall/p1?new=1
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Wait this is the guy hoping to piggyback off of the private server guys in hopes of getting hired by blizzard to run legacy servers right?
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