well, the fact that any court would rule on the situation to such an extreme shows they do not care for circumstances and do not tolerate words;
1. hes playing a game that takes up a lot of his time and can easily become emotional. so the environment creates a bad attitude especailly for someon that is anti social 2. trolls in the game, that even troll even more when your words do not hurt them, calling somone an e-thug etc provoking more rage and possibly stronger language 3. so easy to type a respone over the keyboard especially if its in a live situation, and in a forum i would say the circumstances are a bit different and it shows possibly somehing more maliscious. 4. the media is filled with lots of angry and negative ideas for out entertainment, and ofc we seperate these ideas from our actual actions, but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
in no way should this behavior be enocuraged but it goes to show the kind of environment we live in. where we have to consider violence a reality despite someones record, we look at the world examples and that is what is being used as a measurement. Which is kind of a contradiction that if we can be entertained by so much violence, but then measured by the standards by those not fit to be even exposed to it.
So what if we lived in a world of no violence... and people were able to speak their mind, how would everyone react? If your good friend you know makes some awkward movie reference its different than someone you dont know...
Its just the world we live in can be a very dangerous place, and with all the media filling our heads with violence as an idea, and how easy it is to spout those non-sense ideas on the internet in the heat of the moment, its strange that it has to come to this.
i guess he was too specific as well. if they investigate and find he is capapble of harm and says those things, then i guess its more serious. but imagine if its some kid, how would they deal with that?
Im not defending bad language, but 5 years for possibly typing a few words, as bad as they are...
Which they do care, because if he had no real means to do the act he said, then it will get thrown out of court.
but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
well, the fact that any court would rule on the situation to such an extreme shows they do not care for circumstances and do not tolerate words;
1. hes playing a game that takes up a lot of his time and can easily become emotional. so the environment creates a bad attitude especailly for someon that is anti social 2. trolls in the game, that even troll even more when your words do not hurt them, calling somone an e-thug etc provoking more rage and possibly stronger language 3. so easy to type a respone over the keyboard especially if its in a live situation, and in a forum i would say the circumstances are a bit different and it shows possibly somehing more maliscious. 4. the media is filled with lots of angry and negative ideas for out entertainment, and ofc we seperate these ideas from our actual actions, but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
in no way should this behavior be enocuraged but it goes to show the kind of environment we live in. where we have to consider violence a reality despite someones record, we look at the world examples and that is what is being used as a measurement. Which is kind of a contradiction that if we can be entertained by so much violence, but then measured by the standards by those not fit to be even exposed to it.
So what if we lived in a world of no violence... and people were able to speak their mind, how would everyone react? If your good friend you know makes some awkward movie reference its different than someone you dont know...
Its just the world we live in can be a very dangerous place, and with all the media filling our heads with violence as an idea, and how easy it is to spout those non-sense ideas on the internet in the heat of the moment, its strange that it has to come to this.
i guess he was too specific as well. if they investigate and find he is capapble of harm and says those things, then i guess its more serious. but imagine if its some kid, how would they deal with that?
Im not defending bad language, but 5 years for possibly typing a few words, as bad as they are...
Which they do care, because if he had no real means to do the act he said, then it will get thrown out of court.
but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
That is not a crime.
I'm not a lawyer, but threatening to show up to a company campus with an AK-47 and other "things" in today's climate may not be a crime, but it is criminally stupid.
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This type of people know that if they go to jail they will have a roof and food without paying for it so they don't really care if they get caught. Turn prisons into the criminal's worst nightmare and you will see a positive change on the ones that are still out there, trying to stay out of it.
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
Because it depends on the circumstances. There aren't many details here, but if you make a threat to some one, and you literally have no way to go through with it, it is not a crime. So if this guy kept threatening them with a ak 47, and doesn't even have one nor does he have any means to get there, and there is no evidence he was even planning to do it, it would be a waste of the courts time because it would just get thrown out. Now if he does have a ak 47, does have plans some where then that is a different story.
Except that in the US, virtually every citizen over the age of 18 has the means to acquire a semi-auto rifle and enough ammo for multiple reloads within a matter of weeks--months at most--if they so choose. A couple of months working minimum wage and you can afford it.
Personally, I think the internet would be better off if people acted the same way they do face-to-face, and the only way that will ever happen is if the same legal consequences apply.
One thing I do agree with though is Blizzard has made the worst decision over the years ruined wow all the way to the ground so not to wonder people would make a threat where it be real or not
Even if we were to agree for the sake of argument that Blizzard consistently made the worst game design decisions in the entire history of game design, death threats are still wildly inappropriate. The appropriate response if you dislike a game is to not play it.
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
If you can prove that he threatened to kill his ex, then the police can do something. But if the ex feels threatened for no specific reason in particular, that's when the police can't do anything. If Blizzard were to pick some random person and call the police and say they're afraid that this person is going to murder them, even though the person hadn't done or said anything to that effect, the police wouldn't be able to do anything.
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
Because it depends on the circumstances. There aren't many details here, but if you make a threat to some one, and you literally have no way to go through with it, it is not a crime. So if this guy kept threatening them with a ak 47, and doesn't even have one nor does he have any means to get there, and there is no evidence he was even planning to do it, it would be a waste of the courts time because it would just get thrown out. Now if he does have a ak 47, does have plans some where then that is a different story.
The appropriateness of death threats made over the Internet does not depend on the capability to carry them out immediately. After all, the entire point of most death threats is to scare people who can't know if you can or will act on them.
well, the fact that any court would rule on the situation to such an extreme shows they do not care for circumstances and do not tolerate words;
1. hes playing a game that takes up a lot of his time and can easily become emotional. so the environment creates a bad attitude especailly for someon that is anti social 2. trolls in the game, that even troll even more when your words do not hurt them, calling somone an e-thug etc provoking more rage and possibly stronger language 3. so easy to type a respone over the keyboard especially if its in a live situation, and in a forum i would say the circumstances are a bit different and it shows possibly somehing more maliscious. 4. the media is filled with lots of angry and negative ideas for out entertainment, and ofc we seperate these ideas from our actual actions, but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
in no way should this behavior be enocuraged but it goes to show the kind of environment we live in. where we have to consider violence a reality despite someones record, we look at the world examples and that is what is being used as a measurement. Which is kind of a contradiction that if we can be entertained by so much violence, but then measured by the standards by those not fit to be even exposed to it.
So what if we lived in a world of no violence... and people were able to speak their mind, how would everyone react? If your good friend you know makes some awkward movie reference its different than someone you dont know...
Its just the world we live in can be a very dangerous place, and with all the media filling our heads with violence as an idea, and how easy it is to spout those non-sense ideas on the internet in the heat of the moment, its strange that it has to come to this.
i guess he was too specific as well. if they investigate and find he is capapble of harm and says those things, then i guess its more serious. but imagine if its some kid, how would they deal with that?
Im not defending bad language, but 5 years for possibly typing a few words, as bad as they are...
Which they do care, because if he had no real means to do the act he said, then it will get thrown out of court.
but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
That is not a crime.
there is always means to do the act, even if he didn't have access to a weapon at the time of the threat doesn't mean he doesn't have access to gain the weapon when he plans to execute his actions and the DA might want to try to make an example out of him, they might push for a trial for conspiracy to commit a crime and see what sticks, he might be stuck with a public defender and not have the means to get himself proper legal council and it goes to trial and in the end he gets found not guilty because of reasonable doubt.
but it's not to say that it won't make it to trial and will get so easily thrown away... the DA will pin at least 6 or 7 charges on him and some will stick.
i actually hope he gets slapped with at least a community service order and hefty fine, this age of online harrassment / bullying / death threats is out of control and it's time proper action was taken against it.
Well if the person was joking they might just learn a very costly lesson in what is considered good taste.
Misdemeanor can get him a year in county, felony up to 5 years in federal, terrorist felony decades in federal.
It did say up to 5 years and 250,000 fine. I wonder if all the online harassment would stop or take a serious nosedive if people started getting arrested and charged like this
I got a better idea, why don't people just stop this nonsense, both sides. If you get harassed by some one on the internet, and you honestly feel the need to call the police there is something seriously wrong with you. My real question is you must be really really young, because you never would of made it through school in my day, if you think some one needs to be punished 5 years and 250k fine for online harassment. You all lost your minds is what happened, and are so scared of everything, and call the police for everything, when they should only be called for violent crimes, and personal property theft. Now I gotta actually look this up, and if I find out the person who did this, has no ak 47, or plans, and was just a bunch of emails and that was it, blizzard is terrible, the case is gonna get thrown out, and this is a joke.
Well since they haven't released anything at all, except a grand jury saying he should have a trial, this is all mute and meaningless. Since no one but them know what was said. My guess then its all gonna get thrown out of court, and was a big waste of time, brought up by scared baby men, that think terrorists are going to swoop down and kill every one.
And if you honestly think a grand jury means some one is guilty you lost your mind, and either have no understanding of the court system, and def never been on a grand jury. I have been on one, and the whole thing is controlled by one side the DA, and every one is instructed you are not seeing if the person is guilty or innocence you are seeing if there is enough evidence to go to trial.
So then, none of these means anything, intill some one posts the grand jury mins which wont happen for years, so what a waste of time.
Lets just ignore all the people who have some form of depression and actually kill themselves because they are harassed on the internet because clearly something is wrong with them. And if by really really young you mean soon to be 33 then perhaps that qualifies as young but you don't know my life or the fact that I was harassed in grade 1 multiple times by the grade 8's but something must be wrong with me right?
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
Depends on the threat. For a threat to be more than freedom of speech it has to be specific and actionable. If is say I am going to F you up or something similar it is too vague. If I say I am going to stab you, punch you in the face, shot you and it is deemed reasonable I could carry out the action charges can be filed.
Ah yeah true, perhaps he meant he was going there with a prop ak-47, personally it would be funny if it was all just a prank and the FBI went to his house to find a stash of prop ak-47's which aren't even real if he didn't say anything actually threatening he could be he was meaning he was going to go down there cosplaying with an AK-47 which wouldn't be illegal after all OverWatch has guns lol.
Much bigger picture in ALL of society and yet people are or seem blind to it all. So quick is media manipulated towards power authority but often almost completely ignores the average citizen or the original victim in a series of crimes.
I have seen a huge shift in society over the past 50 years,i will be long gone but down the road i expect to see a lot more people lashing out at injustice as imo the system is very unjust and getting worse.Nothing has changed for the better,money $$$ is power and everything else is meaningless.
"terrorists" haha check out maj gen Leonard Wood "USA" if you want to know how far back REAL terrorism began.
People seem to ONLY live in the very present day,they forget the WHY and causes of problems in the world. Simple question....does ANYONE actually believe he was going to attack Blizzard with an AK47?I do not but guess what Blizzard does with all your money?They hire big shot lawyers,too bad they don't put all that money into their games.
Guess how many years OJ got.....none,,,good job with the many high profile lawyers...$$$$ talks no money,you have little chance.Pistorius got max 5 years for DOING an actual murder,,,seems GUESSING carries a heftier sentence than actually doing,,,yep nothing wrong there.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
Did you perhaps forget that corporations employ .....people.
How about you ask the secretaries and mail room people what they think about this threat against a "corporation".
I didnt say corps or the people that work for them should get less rights than others. I just dont understand why ex-wifes get LESS protection. Typically an ex wife receiving death threats will get no help. They will not prosecute a threat if no action is taken. Why is this different?
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
Because it depends on the circumstances. There aren't many details here, but if you make a threat to some one, and you literally have no way to go through with it, it is not a crime.
People have literally died because the police could not make an arrest based on a threat. Obviously that perp DID have the means to go through with it. Seems to me there is a double standard at work.
I just dont get how they can arrest someone for threats against a corporation, but if a man makes threats against his ex the police say "sorry we cant do anything if he hasnt done anything".
If you can prove that he threatened to kill his ex, then the police can do something. But if the ex feels threatened for no specific reason in particular, that's when the police can't do anything. If Blizzard were to pick some random person and call the police and say they're afraid that this person is going to murder them, even though the person hadn't done or said anything to that effect, the police wouldn't be able to do anything.
There are cases where there are witnesses to the threat. The police did not say "we have no proof a threat was made". They literally said "until he does something we cant make an arrest".
another major issue is this idiot or anyone in general to be able to actually get an AK 47. That shouldn't even be an option.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
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LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
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What is down the road in 100 years? Super computers...Minority Report?
Well according to the 1993 film Demolition Man, in 2032 Taco Bell wins the Franchise Wars and is the only remaining chain restaurant in the world. So...
/awesome
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but when someone speaks their mind taking from these angry ideas, then thats where its coming from
That is not a crime.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Except that in the US, virtually every citizen over the age of 18 has the means to acquire a semi-auto rifle and enough ammo for multiple reloads within a matter of weeks--months at most--if they so choose. A couple of months working minimum wage and you can afford it.
Personally, I think the internet would be better off if people acted the same way they do face-to-face, and the only way that will ever happen is if the same legal consequences apply.
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but it's not to say that it won't make it to trial and will get so easily thrown away... the DA will pin at least 6 or 7 charges on him and some will stick.
i actually hope he gets slapped with at least a community service order and hefty fine, this age of online harrassment / bullying / death threats is out of control and it's time proper action was taken against it.
Lets just ignore all the people who have some form of depression and actually kill themselves because they are harassed on the internet because clearly something is wrong with them. And if by really really young you mean soon to be 33 then perhaps that qualifies as young but you don't know my life or the fact that I was harassed in grade 1 multiple times by the grade 8's but something must be wrong with me right?
So quick is media manipulated towards power authority but often almost completely ignores the average citizen or the original victim in a series of crimes.
I have seen a huge shift in society over the past 50 years,i will be long gone but down the road i expect to see a lot more people lashing out at injustice as imo the system is very unjust and getting worse.Nothing has changed for the better,money $$$ is power and everything else is meaningless.
"terrorists" haha check out maj gen Leonard Wood "USA" if you want to know how far back REAL terrorism began.
People seem to ONLY live in the very present day,they forget the WHY and causes of problems in the world.
Simple question....does ANYONE actually believe he was going to attack Blizzard with an AK47?I do not but guess what Blizzard does with all your money?They hire big shot lawyers,too bad they don't put all that money into their games.
Guess how many years OJ got.....none,,,good job with the many high profile lawyers...$$$$ talks no money,you have little chance.Pistorius got max 5 years for DOING an actual murder,,,seems GUESSING carries a heftier sentence than actually doing,,,yep nothing wrong there.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Super computers...Minority Report?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
People have literally died because the police could not make an arrest based on a threat. Obviously that perp DID have the means to go through with it. Seems to me there is a double standard at work.
Well according to the 1993 film Demolition Man, in 2032 Taco Bell wins the Franchise Wars and is the only remaining chain restaurant in the world. So...
/awesome
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
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