Funny, I find myself sympathetic to her attackers. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire. Or, in other words, don't be part of a controversial project and then put yourself out on social media and expect to go flame-free.
Unless she was on social media before she even joined the project (Twitter since August 2011, SC Kickstarter November 2012)
Before asshats started to stalk and dox her and her kids online.
Funny, I find myself sympathetic to her attackers. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire. Or, in other words, don't be part of a controversial project and then put yourself out on social media and expect to go flame-free.
Unless she was on social media before she even joined the project (Twitter since August 2011, SC Kickstarter November 2012)
Before asshats started to stalk and dox her and her kids online.
Have fun
Thats something that is out of order, whoever was responsible for posting pictures of her kids etc on twitter or any other social media for that matter, its stepping over the line.
People trash talk everyone on the internet, twice as much if they happen to work for a company that has been doing shady/not nice things.
You think the people at EA don't get some hate posts? Smed got hammered behind all the shitty stuff he did.
Part and parcel of being in an industry where by definition, the fans/customers are all "connected" and mostly young.
Goes with the job. I guess.
In the end it is all hot air... it would be a LONG stretch to find anything actually criminal in that whole mess, including posting publicly available personal information, which is legal.
People trash talk everyone on the internet, twice as much if they happen to work for a company that has been doing shady/not nice things.
You think the people at EA don't get some hate posts? Smed got hammered behind all the shitty stuff he did.
Part and parcel of being in an industry where by definition, the fans/customers are all "connected" and mostly young.
Goes with the job. I guess.
In the end it is all hot air... it would be a LONG stretch to find anything actually criminal in that whole mess, including posting publicly available personal information, which is legal.
Contrary to ignorant beliefs, hate campaigns singling out people isn't an everyday occurence for all developers - and the VAST majority of people in the industry don't have to deal with this level of targeted bile.
I don't think having a problem with that means you don't have a problem with other examples of similar things.
What's more is that nothing tangible has been established against Gardner - unlike the case was with Smedley.
Funny, I find myself sympathetic to her attackers. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire. Or, in other words, don't be part of a controversial project and then put yourself out on social media and expect to go flame-free.
Unless she was on social media before she even joined the project (Twitter since August 2011, SC Kickstarter November 2012)
Before asshats started to stalk and dox her and her kids online.
Have fun
Thats something that is out of order, whoever was responsible for posting pictures of her kids etc on twitter or any other social media for that matter, its stepping over the line.
That does sound really creepy... until you realize that what is being talked about is Skye Robert's IMDB page and Sandi's FB photos. You see, their daughter is listed as an actress there with several promotional photos included and some credits.
Is that doxing?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I endorse no such thing. However, I pity the emotionally squishy, safe space pansies who crumple into a pile every time a baddie says mean things to them. Every generation, parent fail their children worse then the previous one. That my friend it what's sad.
Sad is we accepting this kind of behavior that keeps getting worse. Sad is that we reached a point that when a developer delays their game receives death threats (No Man's Sky).
One thing is attack the person his work, another completely different thing is stalking the person's personal life and even their family, attempting to setup a public humiliation show.
What a hypocrite you are. "Sad is we accepting this kind of behavior" yet there you are linking a post from /dereksmart/, a subreddit dedicated to stalking/witchhunting/ridiculing Derek Smart.
I wouldn't say taking a picture from an imdb page is doxing but if the other picture is from Sandi's personal facebook page, then yes. She does have a personal and business account I assume?
I gotta go with @MaxBacon on this one. I doubt it has anything to do with her gender, and more with who she's married to and the company she works for. Star Citizen is a game that's got some very loyal fans, but that also inspires some very fervent haters. Unfortunately for the poor woman, she's an easy target.
Besides, it's not like male devs haven't been targeted on social media in the past. And have even left the game industry as a result of the harassment. I imagine it also makes Chris Roberts unhappy to see his wife treated like this, so they're hurting him by proxy.
Yeah 100% agree with you on the last part.
The objective was always hit Chris Roberts but they couldn't, so they found a weak spot on his wife. It makes sense, hurting CR's family does hurt CR, so that may very well be the intention.
They couldn't what? Who on earth are you even talking about? Goons? It's not like they have a lack of material from CIG to ridicule. They often post funny stuff on Chris/Sandi/Ben and anyone they feel like. They haven't purposefully targeted Sandi because they can't get to Chris.. lol wtf you're completely paranoid.
I look forward to the day when the internet will be properly policed and regulated. It's as inevitable as the eventual demise of the "Wild West" was back in the day...
No civilised society tolerates chaos and lawlessness indefinitely.
You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
The internet you anticipate isn't an internet at all - you're essentially hoping for the death of free interaction, all in the name of "protecting people." I see the spectre of every dictator and plutocrat who has ever lived in your words.
That does sound really creepy... until you realize that what is being talked about is Skye Robert's IMDB page and Sandi's FB photos. You see, their daughter is listed as an actress there with several promotional photos included and some credits.
Is that doxing?
Yes, when these same photos end up photoshopped as child porn pictures on SA.com
And therefore should have been taken down from IMDB because some perverts try to get to people via their kids and posting fake child porn/abuse victim pictures on the internet.
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I gotta go with @MaxBacon on this one. I doubt it has anything to do with her gender, and more with who she's married to and the company she works for. Star Citizen is a game that's got some very loyal fans, but that also inspires some very fervent haters. Unfortunately for the poor woman, she's an easy target.
Besides, it's not like male devs haven't been targeted on social media in the past. And have even left the game industry as a result of the harassment. I imagine it also makes Chris Roberts unhappy to see his wife treated like this, so they're hurting him by proxy.
Yeah 100% agree with you on the last part.
The objective was always hit Chris Roberts but they couldn't, so they found a weak spot on his wife. It makes sense, hurting CR's family does hurt CR, so that may very well be the intention.
They couldn't what? Who on earth are you even talking about? Goons? It's not like they have a lack of material from CIG to ridicule. They often post funny stuff on Chris/Sandi/Ben and anyone they feel like. They haven't purposefully targeted Sandi because they can't get to Chris.. lol wtf you're completely paranoid.
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
And she then has every right to shove your freedom of speech of lies and false statements down your throat with a "slander" prosecution and drag you to court. Because THAT is also a basic liberty.
I look forward to the day when the internet will be properly policed and regulated. It's as inevitable as the eventual demise of the "Wild West" was back in the day...
No civilised society tolerates chaos and lawlessness indefinitely.
You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
The internet you anticipate isn't an internet at all - you're essentially hoping for the death of free interaction, all in the name of "protecting people." I see the spectre of every dictator and plutocrat who has ever lived in your words.
You don't seem to understand that stating things in public and saying things to her in private are two very different things.
Now, it's not exactly a surprise that you're not aware of this, but public slander can easily turn into a lawsuit in your country.
In fact, that's much more likely to happen in your country than in countries with a somewhat higher standard in terms of exploiting the legal system for personal gain.
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
She works for CIG, they don't like SC, CIG makes SC, they ridicule everyone involved with CIG as per freedom of speech.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone? As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated. Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them. Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
That does sound really creepy... until you realize that what is being talked about is Skye Robert's IMDB page and Sandi's FB photos. You see, their daughter is listed as an actress there with several promotional photos included and some credits.
Is that doxing?
Yes, when these same photos end up photoshopped as child porn pictures on SA.com
Did that actually happen? Is there any proof? If it did, it was a pretty bad taste joke.
I wouldn't say taking a picture from an imdb page is doxing but if the other picture is from Sandi's personal facebook page, then yes. She does have a personal and business account I assume?
And actually I'm just guessing the pics on the upper left are from FB. I could be wrong. The stuff on the right is from Skye's IMDB page.
I have no idea if there was more than this but I do know that there are a lot of exaggerated claims being thrown around.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
She works for CIG, they don't like SC, CIG makes SC, they ridicule everyone involved with CIG as per freedom of speech.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone? As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated. Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them. Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
They don't target everyone specifically - and they don't do it repeatedly, no. They do that only for a select few - and Gardner/Chris are the primary targets.
If you want to pretend otherwise, fine, but you're only hurting your case by being ignorant in public.
So you're the kind of person who equates a hate campaign involving highly inappropriate accusations and personal information made public with "criticism".
Your response is that if you can't deal with that kind of "criticism" - you should go back in time and understand what will happen because of a tiny subset of hateful intolerant people - and not do what you think will help your husband achieve his goals whilst improving your own career?
That kinda explains your basic mindset sufficiently, I'd say.
That does sound really creepy... until you realize that what is being talked about is Skye Robert's IMDB page and Sandi's FB photos. You see, their daughter is listed as an actress there with several promotional photos included and some credits.
Is that doxing?
Yes, when these same photos end up photoshopped as child porn pictures on SA.com
And therefore had to be taken down from IMDB because some perverts try to get to people via their kids and posting fake child porn/abuse victim pictures on the internet.
... usual handle/sig not appropriate in that context ....
WTF? I have no idea what you're talking about but Skye's IMDB photos are all there as of 40 seconds ago.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
That does sound really creepy... until you realize that what is being talked about is Skye Robert's IMDB page and Sandi's FB photos. You see, their daughter is listed as an actress there with several promotional photos included and some credits.
Is that doxing?
Yes, when these same photos end up photoshopped as child porn pictures on SA.com
Did that actually happen? Is there any proof? If it did, it was a pretty bad taste joke.
Though obviously still a joke.
I like to think i have a pretty broad sense of humour, but even so, i don't see how that could be interpretted as being funny, in very poor taste and of questionable moral ethic, certainly, funny, absolutely not.
What a hypocrite you are. "Sad is we accepting this kind of behavior" yet there you are linking a post from /dereksmart/, a subreddit dedicated to stalking/witchhunting/ridiculing Derek Smart.
I guess it's ok to do the same shit to him right?
Interesting; could you link me to the page where /r/Dereksmart accused the good "doctor" of doing porn? Or dragging his children or relatives into the argument over a game? How about simply the last time they wrote a 3500 word twitlonger on his personal life and sexual history? Hell I will settle for simply a single case of them fabricating a lie about dear ole Smartie.
I might not agree with the people on that subreddit or their "archiving" argument; but they have been far more tame than Smart from everything I've seen on that sub.
I am not sure where you come from but to me that is NOT a thing for joking.
... usual handle/sig not appropriate in that context ....
There's this thing called freedom of speech in my country. It means people are allowed to post tasteless jokes that I don't like and don't go to prison.
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(Twitter since August 2011, SC Kickstarter November 2012)
Before asshats started to stalk and dox her and her kids online.
Have fun
People trash talk everyone on the internet, twice as much if they happen to work for a company that has been doing shady/not nice things.
You think the people at EA don't get some hate posts? Smed got hammered behind all the shitty stuff he did.
Part and parcel of being in an industry where by definition, the fans/customers are all "connected" and mostly young.
Goes with the job. I guess.
In the end it is all hot air... it would be a LONG stretch to find anything actually criminal in that whole mess, including posting publicly available personal information, which is legal.
Have fun
I don't think having a problem with that means you don't have a problem with other examples of similar things.
What's more is that nothing tangible has been established against Gardner - unlike the case was with Smedley.
Is that doxing?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
"Sad is we accepting this kind of behavior" yet there you are linking a post from /dereksmart/, a subreddit dedicated to stalking/witchhunting/ridiculing Derek Smart.
I guess it's ok to do the same shit to him right?
..Cake..
Goons? It's not like they have a lack of material from CIG to ridicule.
They often post funny stuff on Chris/Sandi/Ben and anyone they feel like.
They haven't purposefully targeted Sandi because they can't get to Chris.. lol wtf you're completely paranoid.
..Cake..
The internet you anticipate isn't an internet at all - you're essentially hoping for the death of free interaction, all in the name of "protecting people." I see the spectre of every dictator and plutocrat who has ever lived in your words.
And therefore should have been taken down from IMDB because some perverts try to get to people via their kids and posting fake child porn/abuse victim pictures on the internet.
... usual handle/sig not appropriate in that context ....
PS: Edited for clarity.
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
Have fun
Now, it's not exactly a surprise that you're not aware of this, but public slander can easily turn into a lawsuit in your country.
In fact, that's much more likely to happen in your country than in countries with a somewhat higher standard in terms of exploiting the legal system for personal gain.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone?
As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated.
Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them.
Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
..Cake..
If it did, it was a pretty bad taste joke.
Though obviously still a joke.
..Cake..
And actually I'm just guessing the pics on the upper left are from FB. I could be wrong. The stuff on the right is from Skye's IMDB page.
I have no idea if there was more than this but I do know that there are a lot of exaggerated claims being thrown around.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
... usual handle/sig not appropriate in that context ....
If you want to pretend otherwise, fine, but you're only hurting your case by being ignorant in public.
So you're the kind of person who equates a hate campaign involving highly inappropriate accusations and personal information made public with "criticism".
Your response is that if you can't deal with that kind of "criticism" - you should go back in time and understand what will happen because of a tiny subset of hateful intolerant people - and not do what you think will help your husband achieve his goals whilst improving your own career?
That kinda explains your basic mindset sufficiently, I'd say.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I might not agree with the people on that subreddit or their "archiving" argument; but they have been far more tame than Smart from everything I've seen on that sub.
It means people are allowed to post tasteless jokes that I don't like and don't go to prison.
..Cake..