Man, can I beat a dead horse with a stick or what ?
This time I'm using math without numbers........
Just look what's going on in the General Discussion Forums. Then look at any individual game forums, and then look at the Pantheon Forum, and last watch how people react when mentioning Pantheon. Let me add a little Phycology into the mix with the haters defending their stance on why the game will fail so badly. They actually look for the fight, their blood boils and they see red when anyone talks about Pantheon, they are the few, wayyyyyyy more people are looking forward to it than not. BUT, I'll say it again BUT, and I don't want to come across as rude, BUT they will be playing too !..........Wait, What ?........Sorry, this is just how people are, and you know it !.....I'll stop here with the Phycology.....You understand exactly what I'm talking about.
Just look at a recent posting on in General Discussion ( the pub ), " everyone gets a trophy, mmo's are in a drought ". It didn't take long before the fight turned to Pantheon and Everquest. They dominate over the argument. Pantheon usually winds up in all Pub topics !
MMo's are in a drought. It's been bad and getting worst !........By release this drought will be real bad. The people that argue against a problem have something in common with all their post " they are the rosy ones " they always say " everything is fine ", they say this over and over again. They think their optimism of how things are is just fine !.....They play the middle ground thinking their liked by all and they are the non-arguing types, when in fact they argue a lot. They are truly the minority but loud about it.
We are in a drought !......And Pantheon is here to save it !
I'll leave you with this because it's important:
No matter how bad you argue against Pantheon, you will have no choice but to be part of the mainstream....That's human nature.
They better be ready for a large population and the servers WILL crash
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But Pantheon is most certainly not going to take over the world, it will be a tiny blip in the gaming landscape at best.
Pantheon, being a niche game, will have a small but loyal playerbase. Hopefully enough to keep it profitable and running for a long time.
IF they don't run out of money first, if it does not take another 3 years, if it does not have an obnoxious payment model.
Even if there are none of those, no, there will be nothing "huge" about this title, except for disappointment and unfulfilled expectations if it does not deliver what has already been promised.
Hope is fine, but it is better to pair that with very moderate expectations when ever talking about an independent, barely funded, small, indie title.
None of the other mmorpgs are trying to deliver something that comes close to what I want from a mmorpg... Yet (not counting EqNext anymore).
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
I seriously doubt they have the team or manpower to pull off even a Vanguard so this will take some serious thought input to make it a great game.
If i don't see quality mmorpg's,i don't play them nor do i give them any money,i can simply be happy playing my 13/14 year old FFXi until something great does come out.
Geesh i still load up and play VERY old Nintendo games,that is how boring i find the industry right now,as i already have a game in every single genre to keep me busy,so now games need to be really good to garner my time.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
YES, that's what I'm saying
Just kidding !
This is how I see it, everyone that posted here so far will be playing.....WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THIS.......everyone here post as they were talking like this:
I will but others will not.
Then, the others say I will too but others will not.....and on and on !!!!........It's always the other guy !
A game in this genre should be made for <10 mill and then grow into the niche its fans want. Not to say a game won't BECOME AAA, but there ain't any more WoW's in the pipeline. Therefore, start small and grow in the direction best suited to the player base. Less risk and more satisfied customers in the long run. Also, this would belay the need for emergency patch crap like cash shops and RNG boxes to generate enough income to stay afloat...
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
That's no longer true. Online gaming with friends is the norm now, not the exception. Even games that would have been single player in the past usually offer some kind of coop mode, like for instance Borderlands and Splinter Cell. Games that are truly single player, even offer online PVP like Assassin's Creed.
Pantheon is not a look forward. It's a look back at an earlier time in the genre; a time that many people have chosen to move on from. The population of people that want an early MMORPG experience in a newer title are a niche crowd. This game looks like it will be good, maybe even fantastic, for that group of people. But will it go mainstream and become huge? I have severe doubts.
Now, will I play it when it comes out? I think so. Especially if it releases as an island unto itself. If it drops the same year as Camelot Unchained and Crowfall, then it will slip to third place and I probably will see it only in YouTube videos.
People talk about it here because this site has a decent following of people who want older style games.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The problem is most people in this genre want a game they can jump into after work play for a few hours and be top tier endgame in a few weeks. The majority want fast paced twitch games. The majority want solo focused with the option to group. The majority want grinding removed completely. The majority want f2p games. Most people do not want to be forced to socialize to progress. Most people do not want actual mmos....
So no this will not be huge, but then again it does not have to be to be great successful either. Just needs a strong enough playerbase to last for years and support high quality content being developed.
I intend to play it when it releases and I will enjoy it from what I have seen and read so far. Will it be the overwhelming success the OP is predicting? I doubt it but I'm ok with that.
I suspect (hope) that the devs are rooted in reality. Whether they can keep the costs down though that is the challenge. If they budget for 50k people and get 50k that would be success; budget for 250k and get 50k - not good. Same 50k - very different result.
People on this site will be very happy for Pantheon to succeed. Disbelief and realism doesn't mean hate. Like I said you use the same words but what you mean by them and what I mean are different.