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Now that my old computer gets fairly old (one of the first quad cores about 7 or 8 years old IIRC), the BIOS battery is dead (need to re-setup bios on blackouts and blown fuses) and my graphic card's fan kinda sound like a vacuum cleaner it is time for a new rig and gaming notebook's prices blew my mind when it comes to price/performance.
Now that my old one really gets on my nerves when it comes to noise my new system should be more quiet. Target should be 1,1K Euro give or take a little. Bad customer support experience thrown ASUS from first choice to no-go (two weeks out of guarantee and been told to send my device in and pay 80€ if I decided against repairing, just for check-up). So no ASUS. Full HD gaming and emulation is fine with me. I do not plan on buying a QHD monitor anyway, neither a QHD TV, so going for Full HD is fine.
I glanced at Kaby Lake Intel CPU, since it is marginally more expensive than Skylake. I just can't decide if to go for I7 and something like GeForce GTX 1050 TI, or for an I5 and have more budget for the GPU. RAM should be 16GB. For mainboard I had something from MSI or ASRock or something like that in mind (first time no ASUS in X computers).
One variant could be something like:
beQuiet pure power 9 600W
Intel 600p 256GB SSD
2xGSkill 8GB 2400 DD$ RAM
Seagate 1TB HD
Alpenföhn BenNevi CPU cooler
Some simple tower + 2 Arctic F12 silent fans
MSI 270Z gaming M3 Mainboard
Now with an
I5-7600K
and
EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming ACX 2.0
I would be around 1150€ without setup (I could do that at home, though) and OS (IIRC I can use my Win7 key for Win10 now, since I upgraded in time)
As I said I am not sure about the combination of CPU and GPU. More bang in the CPU and a smaller GPU, or if the 1060 is oversized for FHD gaming anyway, even more since I am no more an extreme gamer (it seems you either have the time or the money for gaming
). Using some calculator for power needs perhaps the I could use a smaller power supply, 500 - 550W could be enough. Any experience when it comes to noise is also welcome, as any clues or suggestions. The setup above is something I put together with the Alternate PC configurator, to make sure the parts fit together.
Any clues when Ryzen will come out, I'm not stricly an Intel fanboy, but atm Intel just gives more power to your rig. CPUBenchmark.net gives almost all top ranks to Intel.
As I said target price is Euro and unfortunatly German prices seem to be above the list prices (at least when I take those from CPUBenchmark.net), so keep that in mind.
Thanks in advance.
Now that my old computer gets fairly old (one of the first quad cores about 7 or 8 years old IIRC), the BIOS battery is dead (need to re-setup bios on blackouts and blown fuses) and my graphic card's fan kinda sound like a vacuum cleaner it is time for a new rig and gaming notebook's prices blew my mind when it comes to price/performance.
Now that my old one really gets on my nerves when it comes to noise my new system should be more quiet. Target should be 1,1K Euro give or take a little. Bad customer support experience thrown ASUS from first choice to no-go (two weeks out of guarantee and been told to send my device in and pay 80€ if I decided against repairing, just for check-up). So no ASUS. Full HD gaming and emulation is fine with me. I do not plan on buying a QHD monitor anyway, neither a QHD TV, so going for Full HD is fine.
I glanced at Kaby Lake Intel CPU, since it is marginally more expensive than Skylake. I just can't decide if to go for I7 and something like GeForce GTX 1050 TI, or for an I5 and have more budget for the GPU. RAM should be 16GB. For mainboard I had something from MSI or ASRock or something like that in mind (first time no ASUS in X computers).
One variant could be something like:
beQuiet pure power 9 600W
Intel 600p 256GB SSD
2xGSkill 8GB 2400 DD$ RAM
Seagate 1TB HD
Alpenföhn BenNevi CPU cooler
Some simple tower + 2 Arctic F12 silent fans
MSI 270Z gaming M3 Mainboard
Now with an
I5-7600K
and
EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming ACX 2.0
I would be around 1150€ without setup (I could do that at home, though) and OS (IIRC I can use my Win7 key for Win10 now, since I upgraded in time)
As I said I am not sure about the combination of CPU and GPU. More bang in the CPU and a smaller GPU, or if the 1060 is oversized for FHD gaming anyway, even more since I am no more an extreme gamer (it seems you either have the time or the money for gaming
). Using some calculator for power needs perhaps the I could use a smaller power supply, 500 - 550W could be enough. Any experience when it comes to noise is also welcome, as any clues or suggestions. The setup above is something I put together with the Alternate PC configurator, to make sure the parts fit together.Any clues when Ryzen will come out, I'm not stricly an Intel fanboy, but atm Intel just gives more power to your rig. CPUBenchmark.net gives almost all top ranks to Intel.
As I said target price is Euro and unfortunatly German prices seem to be above the list prices (at least when I take those from CPUBenchmark.net), so keep that in mind.
Thanks in advance.
Comments
Checking other system build suggestions those usually go for a SATA SSD and the price for one would be lower than HDD + SSD.
Any opinions on the upcoming Zen arcitecture of AMD? It is said to hit the market in Q1, so it should soon come to life. Unfurtunatly the last AMDs were power hungry and slower than Intel. Looking back to my switching back and forth it should be AMD's turn now *lol* (Intel Pentiom 166MMX -> AMD Athlon 1800 -> Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 -> ???).
I would go there for your hardware needs. Mostly gamers (myself included, same username) plenty of threads on builds or make your own!
Hope it helps.
I would avoid K platform overclocking, it is terribly price inefficient - i5-7400 with cheap H210/B250 mobo will do as good.
Avoid 3GB 1060, 3GB won't cut it any more.
Besides MLC, I wouldn't spent much on SSD, the difference is just paper stats.
I would definitely wait for RyZen - iirc still no release date tho.
Overkill cpu cooler,something like Gelid Tranquillo and CoolerMaster Silencio case for quite PC.
Rather than the 1060, i'd go for the 1070, or the 8gb version of the rx480, though if you really are set on getting a 1060 i would get the 6gb version, i wouldn't touch the 3gb version personally.
For the moment though i'd shop around, prices near you seem pretty bad, lots of options external to Germany that shouldn't be too expensive to ship to.
IIRC AMD said Q1/2017 for RyZen and rumor has it it could be end of Februray. They did some big secrecy stuff at CES it said in IT mags. Like taping the socket on demo boards and the demo PC even hat the air slits taped, so you couldn't peek at the CPU.
By the way... Doesn anyone know if it is possible to use the Win7 key of Windows for Win10 on a new machine (upgraded system, so the key is used for Win10 anyway once).
I'm not really deadset, but budget makes you take compromises.
https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/nvidiageforcegraphicscards/nvidiagtx1060series/gtx1060armor6gocv1.html
though you could buy from them, you might find a cheaper alternative from a different retail outlet. As for the Win10 thing, while your Win7 key would likely work on your new PC, i am not sure it would convert to Win10, likely they will charge you for it, not a happy thought i know, hopefully i am wrong, though i suspect not.Aunt Edith says: It seems you upgrade your full license, if I understand this correctly:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/moving-windows-10-to-a-new-computer/70aeae9a-0a7c-4e8a-adf6-35b6ec178f46
So since I have a valid Win7 DVD for clean install the Win10 license should carry over to the used key, if I read this legal stuff correctly.
The MSI GeForce is fine with me 319€ is not that much more. Prices may change anyway over time, even though Kaby Lake didn't do anything for Skylake prices. That's why I hope for AMD to bring something up, to force some new pricing policies. First customer reviews for the I7-7700K are criticising the steep price for minimal gain and heat.
You might want to wait until the AMD 500 comes out this year. I imagine they will be trying to compete with the 1070 directly. I wasn't an AMD fan until I got this 480 and I'm super happy with it.
Just briefly looked and that motherboard is $300 on newegg? Seems like you could get a good one for at most $200.
Anyway, bottomline, I believe for 1,150 euroes you should definitely be able to get 1070 gpu performance and the computer to support it. I could be wrong though.
But GPUs are so pricey nowadays it makes the most sense to shoot high on them and maybe replace other parts later if they're unsatisfactory. Replacing a 300-500 gpu would obviously be much more costly.
But for the record a 1060 6gb should be able to handle most things out at high settings at 60fps.
Another thing to think about is how the gpu is going to pair up with the monitor you're using (g-sync or freesync), and whether or not you want 144hz.
Just check with the store you're ordering from to make sure they have enough.
Link : https://www.msi.com/Promotion/Z270-motherboard-ssd-bundle
For the GPU, definitely look at RX470 as its by far best bang for the buck card out there and for what youve written it seems like a perfect choice. GTX1070 is terribly overpriced for what it offers.
RX470 MSI Gaming X 199€
https://geizhals.eu/msi-radeon-rx-470-gaming-x-4g-v341-002r-a1488427.html
or if you want to spend 300€ on GPU (GTX1060 for 300€ does not make any sense whatsoever)
R9 Fury Nitro 305€
https://geizhals.eu/sapphire-radeon-r9-fury-nitro-1020mhz-11247-04-40g-a1393963.html
And yeah, 1050ti is also terribly overpriced for what it offers as RX470 is 50+% faster than 1050ti for only 20-40€ more.
To paint in more clearly, difference in performance between RX470 and 1050ti is around same as difference in performance between RX480 and GTX1080.
So would anyone sane pick RX480 over GTX1080 if GTX1080 was only 20-40€ more? Wouldnt you call those recommending 480 complete idiots in that case?
So you could both save money, and get a bigger SSD. That would mean both more games on SSD with fast loading times, and that you can make the PC quieter by setting the hard disk to spin down when not in use. Hard disks make always noise, but SSD is silent.
2. If you want really quiet, there are some fanless PSU's available. I've got Silverstone Nightjar 520W in my own computer and it's really silent:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3915526146
Though it also costs a lot and offers only 520W power. But if you want really quiet, I recommend that or something similar
3. Graphic card is the loudest part of your computer when gaming, so pay really good attention to what you choose. There are some review websites that measure noise level of graphic cards, like Guru3D.com
example review: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_quick_silver_8g_oc_review,10.html
I can't make any recommendations about silent graphic cards or processor coolers since it's been so long time I looked for those. The review linked is just an example of what kind of review you should look for.
4. There are also some cases that have sound dampening, like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-SUPPRESSOR-Window-Computer-CA-1E3-00M1WN-00/dp/B016R3KRZ6?th=1
But with SSDs and other new and quieter components, I think it's better option to buy quiet components than it's to dampen their noise with a case. I've got a sound dampening case myself, but it was more useful 5 years ago than it's today.
EDIT: Though if the price difference between sound dampening case and a normal one isn't that large, then it can be something extra to make the already quiet computer even quieter /EDIT
if you are not overclocking a cpu cooler is an unnecessary expense. I would drop it.
You have too big a psu. For your system you will be drawing about 350 watts. Drop it down to 500watt and you are sitting with sufficient headroom. You can put your parts into pcpartpicker.com to get a good estimate on power draw.
This will save you about 50.
On your disks, you have a sata ssd and hard disk. I imagine you want to use the ssd for OS and often used programs. Personally I would opt for a 500 GB ssd. I would also use an nVME based ssd since it has significantly faster transfer rates.
MSI has crappy customer support as well. Nearly all hardware makers have poor customer support since they are only dealing with a 0.03% defect rate. The upside with MSI is they are more likely to replace a piece of hardware you fried from an aggressive overclock.
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K
GPU: GTX 1080
Motherboard: ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming
Storage 1: Crucial MX300 1TB SATA 2.5 Inch Internal Solid State Drive - CT1050MX300SSD1
Storage 2: My old hard drive
Power Supply: EVGA 850 G2
RAM: 16GB DDR4-3000
Case: Enthoo Pro
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S
Operating System: Windows 10
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I agree with the people posting about K-edition Intel CPUs, to a point. If you aren't planning on overclocking, and never wish to overclock, then yeah, it's an easy 5-10% to save. But if you ever think you might, now is the time to spring for it. I tend to view overclocking as a last ditch effort to get an extra year or two out of an older computer, rather than making my new computer just a little bit faster.
I agree with an i5 over an i7. The difference between the two, with respect to gaming, mostly just comes down to the fact that the i7 usually has a slightly higher stock clock speed, and costs a great deal more to deliver that. The extra cores/hyperthreading generally don't deliver much for gaming, but if you do other things (like video encodes), there may be a good reason to spring for it.
A retail Intel CPU will come with a cooler. It's awful. It will throttle your CPU, even under stock clocks. You really want to replace it with something. It doesn't have to be an expensive cooler by any means, just something with some heat pipes and decent surface area and a nice quiet fan. For the most part, you don't need to pay a lot extra for something super low noise - as the difference between 20 and 30 dB inside a case is negligible and won't translate to noise outside the computer case. Bigger and slower is the way to go there for fan noise, and if you aren't overclocking, most of them are going to be nearly silent even under high CPU load.
Odds are your GPU cooler will have the biggest impact on overall computer system noise. The externally venting blower types seem to be a lot noisier than the large internally circulating fan designs. I know you put Asus off the list, but their STRIX lines are probably the quietest out there.
I agree with SSD + HDD. Right now I don't really see a lot of benefit in NVMe (they have very fast transfer speeds, but most of the benefit with SSDs come from their Random times, not the transfer times), but if the price is competitive, I'd as soon have NVMe than not.
Ryzen ~may~ change the equation somewhat, once they release. I don't expect it to upset the market overnight: Intel won't suddenly get cheaper, or slower. AMD will want to charge as much as they can for their new CPU, and Intel has set the benchmark for that. That being said, I could be surprised... If it were my money, and I were ready to buy, I wouldn't wait for Ryzen, as I don't think it will be appreciably faster than what Intel has (*and even if it is, not much out there really pushes what we have from speed from Intel now anyway).
1080 HD I agree with a 1060 (either version really, 3G or 6G), or an AMD 470 / 480 somewhere in there will probably give you the best bang for the buck - pretty much whichever of those 3 models you can get the cheapest with an acceptable cooler is what I would buy. Those cards will pretty much max out most everything today, and continue to perform strongly for the next few years. In 2-3 years time you may not MAX MAX what the latest titles are, but it will continue to perform strong.
nVidia will probably tend to run a bit quieter than AMD right now. That being said, I have a 470, and it's not exactly what I would call loud in the first place, even when the fan spools up, so it has a lot less to do with nVidia/AMD, and more to do with whatever cooler is on your card. Again, Asus STRIX are very quiet, I'm sure some other people have experience with some other brands.
My actual GPU was loud the first moment I turned it on. Even the co-worker that build the PC with me (I was totally not up to date at that time) was surprised and first we thought it would be the intel stock cooler and reduced the fan speed, but it really turned out the GPU cooler wanted to go head to head with my vacuum cleaner in terms of noise...
The reason I aimed for a nVidia is AMD had terrible power performance. TDP was high. I don't give much about tuors of bad drivers. I had both, AMDs (back then ATI
I guess I'll wait this one month for AMD. I do not expect lighting fast speed, but lessons learned and perhaps reasonable prices, so to save money for a better GPU.
Same with Asus, some will buy nothing but Asus but theyre terribly overrated and overpriced lol
I will check the AMD cards, too. Too bad Vega wont come out till mid year. I'm willing to wait a month, but not half a year.
The reason I'm pushing for the 1070 if you can get it is you'd really be maxing out on anything now and be good for a long time.
As an example, I just tried Battlefield 1 yesterday on my 480 and it plays a 80-100fps with freesync. It looks glorious, but a 1070 would push it closer to the 144hz cap on my monitor.
1070's and 1080s are overpriced, but they are great. There's no reason to not try to get one into your rig if you can do it.
I don't imagine them going down in price much until there's competition, which won't be until the 500 comes out.
GTX1070 31% faster than RX480 in 1080p but costs double? ABBYSMAL performance/price and value lol its one of THE most overhyped and overrated cards in history (thanks corrupted media)
GTX1080 only 53% faster for triple the price lol.
And these are reference cards, to get custom cards numbers add ~10% performance for AMD cards and 3-4% performance to NVidia cards.
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You're right that the cost/performance ratio is abysmal for 1070/1080, but they are the only game in town for that performance right now.
What happened to the RX 480 endangering mobos, due to power usage spike on the PCIe slot?