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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Leiloni said:
    laserit said:
    cheyane said:
    Wow! That is very red looking. Are those coloured ?
    Yes

    They color many foods here in North America.

    They say it makes them look more appealing. I say yuck ;)
    I live in the US and they don't color pistachios where I live lol. That's just the strangest thing I have ever seen. They don't color really any foods that I can think of. Ew.
    That's because it has been changing over time:

    "Dying the shell red or green covered up the stains. But today about 98 percent of pistachios sold in the U.S. are grown in California, where a more mechanized harvesting process means that the nuts are picked, hulled and dried before the shell has a chance to become stained, so there is no need to dye them."
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  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,266
    edited February 2017
    Iselin said:
    Leiloni said:
    Viterzgir said:
    Play GW2 and feel the real PAIN of playing with your inventories. TESO at least allows you to buy Bank space and inventory space for gold, but in GW2 you should buy all that for Real Money (yeah, I know that there're like 4 free spots for bags). And it gives you like 10 (TEN!!!!) slots. I don't really mind paying for sub. I have all the perks, I have access to all DLCs and 1500 crowns to spare each months. Seems normal to me.

    I think the problem is in nowadays players who wants EVERYTHING for $1. Today players don't want to pay. Because they don't realize that Devs wants to get money. They want to get salary. They want eat. They want to pay for servers. They want to pay for a lot of things. But no.

    Let's create more whining about how much money do we spend on games.

    Did you play WoW? Where You buy a game, have to pay for sub, have to buy all Expansions, AND there's an ingame store. <<<- that's bad, I agree.

    But TESO is currently one of the BEST balanced game of what you get for what you pay.

    I actually really like GW2's inventory system because there's so much stuff that you don't have to keep in your bank or bags. The collections keep all of your crafting mats and other junk, saving you a crap ton of space. So for me I think I probably bought one or two extra bank tabs (so 2 or 3 total) and my bags aren't even maxed out. I've crafted some bags for myself but if I needed more space I could easily craft more, or bigger bags. ESO however you need to spend a ton of in game money to increase space, which gets more and more expensive, and if you want help at all you need to pay for the subscription. Literally days after losing your sub your bank is full again with crafting mats. Trust me I've tried.

    That's what gets me the most, is that something so necessary is part of the sub. Honestly the crafting bag should be free in game as a regular game feature looking at how other games handle inventory and bank management, so the fact that it's not is pretty bad. But at the very least they should make it a separate cash shop purchase. We could also say the same thing about costume dyeing. These are the types of decisions that are really shitty, money-grubbing ideas that show ZOS doesn't care at all for it's customers, only for the cash. The recent changes to the DLC's per year for subs is another example. I and many more players are willing to regularly support them. Just in ways that are more worth our money and show some respect for us the players.
    Matter of fact the ESO crafting bag bears a very strong resemblance to the GW2 collections that has always been an included part of the game. Before ESO ever had the crafting bag the requests in the official forums to have one usually referred to the GW2 one as an example of what we wanted.

    But when your business plan relies on keeping inconvenience in the game or even adding to it as they did with furniture crafting mats, we don't get it as base game upgrades. This is one of the big differences between developing for a P2P game vs. a cash shop one. When annoying inconveniences are addressed in P2P games they are done as base game patches. In F2P games, including their B2P cousins, they monetize inconvenience relief. 
    I disagree, there's a very obvious and easy choice they're not taking. Charge for DLC's, Chapters, and other types of content. That's plenty of frequent revenue right there that would put them way ahead of GW2 in revenue by itself. Then put things like cosmetics and mounts on the cash shop. Some conveniences like skill lines, crafting motifs, and even bank and bag space are ok as long as they're reasonably earnable in game. Stuff like XP and gold boosts I have no problem with as well.

    But there's a fine line between useful purchases I don't need, and making the game inconvenient so I feel like I have to purchase things. They should be using content as their primary source of revenue with cash shop items as supplementary. If they keep in mind what's fun for the players they can easily create a model that people are happy with. But after they introduced the crafting bags it was clear that the executives wanted to push the revenue at all costs when they introduced the crafting bags and that has contined with other decisions.

    It's not rocket science to come up with a good model that makes for happy customers and a good revenue. They've just decided they don't care enough about the customers. If this weren't the Elder Scrolls IP they wouldn't get away with it. I'm disappointed that people are letting them do it. 
  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,266
    I MADE RARE YAAAAYYY THANKS GUYS! <3
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Leiloni said:
    laserit said:
    cheyane said:
    Wow! That is very red looking. Are those coloured ?
    Yes

    They color many foods here in North America.

    They say it makes them look more appealing. I say yuck ;)
    I live in the US and they don't color pistachios where I live lol. That's just the strangest thing I have ever seen. They don't color really any foods that I can think of. Ew.
    Did you know that cheddar cheese is naturally white, or that raw beef is naturally purple rather than red.

    Food coloring used to be used in almost everything. Today things are improving because of consumer demand.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Torval said:
    laserit said:
    jircris said:
    What you need to consider is this, you pay 15 a month you GET 15 worth in crowns. you also get a crafting bag and the DLC's as well as gold/xp boost. morrowind is AN EXPANSION not a simple DLC. i am honestly tired of overly entitled people constantly moaning about how they pay 15 a month. guess what so have i SINCE LAUNCH in 2014. i am WILLING to pay for an expansion just like everyone who plays WoW soaks up the next expansion from them.
    Overly entitled lol

    I'm a 52 year old man who's been around the block a few times.

    I'll buy the $40 expansion if I so choose and spend the $15 per month on pistachios.

    I personally will get a lot more enjoyment from the pistachios then I will the Crown Store.
    Well enjoy those pistachios. I'll be thinking of you while I'm gaming. I hear pistachio consumption is a great hobby though.
    But I can play ESO and enjoy my pistachios too. I have no interest in rng boxes, xp potions, outfits, pets or mounts. 

    We'll see what the new DLC will look like. I've got 20,000 crowns left after purchasing all the DLC so I'm ok for a year or two. With the Chapters, the DLC may not even be appealing enough for me to purchase. Only time will tell.

    Crowns are worthless to me now. I'll put my money towards new lands and adventures. Buying the content outright without a sub just makes more sense now. 

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    laserit said:
    Torval said:
    laserit said:
    jircris said:
    What you need to consider is this, you pay 15 a month you GET 15 worth in crowns. you also get a crafting bag and the DLC's as well as gold/xp boost. morrowind is AN EXPANSION not a simple DLC. i am honestly tired of overly entitled people constantly moaning about how they pay 15 a month. guess what so have i SINCE LAUNCH in 2014. i am WILLING to pay for an expansion just like everyone who plays WoW soaks up the next expansion from them.
    Overly entitled lol

    I'm a 52 year old man who's been around the block a few times.

    I'll buy the $40 expansion if I so choose and spend the $15 per month on pistachios.

    I personally will get a lot more enjoyment from the pistachios then I will the Crown Store.
    Well enjoy those pistachios. I'll be thinking of you while I'm gaming. I hear pistachio consumption is a great hobby though.
    But I can play ESO and enjoy my pistachios too. I have no interest in rng boxes, xp potions, outfits, pets or mounts. 

    We'll see what the new DLC will look like. I've got 20,000 crowns left after purchasing all the DLC so I'm ok for a year or two. With the Chapters, the DLC may not even be appealing enough for me to purchase. Only time will tell.

    Crowns are worthless to me now. I'll put my money towards new lands and adventures. Buying the content outright without a sub just makes more sense now. 
    Prior to buying the DLC, the only thing I had ever bought was more character slots because of my altitis.

    The only "fancy" mount I have is the striped senche that was a loyalty reward way back when and my only costumes are the ones I earned in game... same for pets. And of those the only thing I use on a regular basis is the senche.

    I much prefer the look of regular armor dyed with the dyes I've also earned in game, not store bought crap, and pets are annoying especially when they block my interactions with things I need to interact with.

    Yeah I'm one of those weird people who just plays the game to...umm... play the game. I'm a a bad corporate citizen that way :)
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Leiloni said:
    laserit said:
    cheyane said:
    Wow! That is very red looking. Are those coloured ?
    Yes

    They color many foods here in North America.

    They say it makes them look more appealing. I say yuck ;)
    I live in the US and they don't color pistachios where I live lol. That's just the strangest thing I have ever seen. They don't color really any foods that I can think of. Ew.
    Pistachios used to be colored red in the states to hide stains on the shells. Then it was discovered that the dye caused health issues so it was discontinued.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited February 2017
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    Torval said:
    laserit said:
    jircris said:
    What you need to consider is this, you pay 15 a month you GET 15 worth in crowns. you also get a crafting bag and the DLC's as well as gold/xp boost. morrowind is AN EXPANSION not a simple DLC. i am honestly tired of overly entitled people constantly moaning about how they pay 15 a month. guess what so have i SINCE LAUNCH in 2014. i am WILLING to pay for an expansion just like everyone who plays WoW soaks up the next expansion from them.
    Overly entitled lol

    I'm a 52 year old man who's been around the block a few times.

    I'll buy the $40 expansion if I so choose and spend the $15 per month on pistachios.

    I personally will get a lot more enjoyment from the pistachios then I will the Crown Store.
    Well enjoy those pistachios. I'll be thinking of you while I'm gaming. I hear pistachio consumption is a great hobby though.
    But I can play ESO and enjoy my pistachios too. I have no interest in rng boxes, xp potions, outfits, pets or mounts. 

    We'll see what the new DLC will look like. I've got 20,000 crowns left after purchasing all the DLC so I'm ok for a year or two. With the Chapters, the DLC may not even be appealing enough for me to purchase. Only time will tell.

    Crowns are worthless to me now. I'll put my money towards new lands and adventures. Buying the content outright without a sub just makes more sense now. 
    Prior to buying the DLC, the only thing I had ever bought was more character slots because of my altitis.

    The only "fancy" mount I have is the striped senche that was a loyalty reward way back when and my only costumes are the ones I earned in game... same for pets. And of those the only thing I use on a regular basis is the senche.

    I much prefer the look of regular armor dyed with the dyes I've also earned in game, not store bought crap, and pets are annoying especially when they block my interactions with things I need to interact with.

    Yeah I'm one of those weird people who just plays the game to...umm... play the game. I'm a a bad corporate citizen that way :)

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  • jbombardjbombard Member UncommonPosts: 599
    While I still enjoy the game a lot, I can't help but get the feeling they are going the SWTOR route to making subs more attractive. That would be for those who don't play SWTOR, make the base game tedious to play without the sub. They do this in several ways. One is by making the game inherently broken when it comes to bag size vs. drop quantity and the large variety of items you need to do crafting. More recently is making the item quantities super low for non subs, and by making it really hard to craft furnishings in order to push people to the crown store.

    Yes it is important to make the sub worth it, but if they continue to go the route of crippling the game without a sub to create the sense of worth I don't think it is going to have the intended effect.

    What they need to realize is a large number of the players they have are people who are not MMO fans but whom are Elder Scrolls fans, and to these people buying the game and buying an expansion pack is perfectly acceptable but paying $15 or even $9 per month to de-cripple the game and make it enjoyable is likely a NO GO.
  • KanethKaneth Member RarePosts: 2,286

    Leiloni said:


    Viterzgir said:

    Play GW2 and feel the real PAIN of playing with your inventories. TESO at least allows you to buy Bank space and inventory space for gold, but in GW2 you should buy all that for Real Money (yeah, I know that there're like 4 free spots for bags). And it gives you like 10 (TEN!!!!) slots. I don't really mind paying for sub. I have all the perks, I have access to all DLCs and 1500 crowns to spare each months. Seems normal to me.



    I think the problem is in nowadays players who wants EVERYTHING for $1. Today players don't want to pay. Because they don't realize that Devs wants to get money. They want to get salary. They want eat. They want to pay for servers. They want to pay for a lot of things. But no.



    Let's create more whining about how much money do we spend on games.



    Did you play WoW? Where You buy a game, have to pay for sub, have to buy all Expansions, AND there's an ingame store. <<<- that's bad, I agree.



    But TESO is currently one of the BEST balanced game of what you get for what you pay.



    I actually really like GW2's inventory system because there's so much stuff that you don't have to keep in your bank or bags. The collections keep all of your crafting mats and other junk, saving you a crap ton of space. So for me I think I probably bought one or two extra bank tabs (so 2 or 3 total) and my bags aren't even maxed out and my third bank tab isn't even half full. Also just a correction for you - a bank tab in GW2 is 30 slots, so if you buy a tab you get that. In ESO you'll pay like 50k gold for 10 slots. It's a shitty deal.

    In GW2 I've crafted some bags for myself but if I needed more space I could easily craft more, or bigger bags. ESO however you need to spend a ton of in game money to increase space, which gets more and more expensive, and if you want help at all you need to pay for the subscription. Literally days after losing your sub your bank is full again with crafting mats. Trust me I've tried.

    That's what gets me the most, is that something so necessary is part of the sub. Honestly the crafting bag should be free in game as a regular game feature looking at how other games handle inventory and bank management, so the fact that it's not is pretty bad. But at the very least they should make it a separate cash shop purchase. We could also say the same thing about costume dyeing. These are the types of decisions that are really shitty, money-grubbing ideas that show ZOS doesn't care at all for it's customers, only for the cash. The recent changes to the DLC's per year for subs is another example. I and many more players are willing to regularly support them. We just want to do so in ways that are more worth our money and show some respect for us the players.



    GW's inventory system is so abysmal that many on the official forums have coined the phrase Inventory Wars for the true title of the game. Not to be confused with Fashion Wars as another alternative title. The crafting bag stacks to 250, which is achieved quickly, but you can purchase the ability to stack higher in the Gem Store. There's also a bunch of items that are used in crafting special items, like the Aurene mini-pet, that don't go into collections, are soul bound, and take up inventory space until you actually use them. Don't even get me started if you WvW a lot and need to keep siege on you. No tidy little collections for that at all, and Grenth help you if you WvW on multiple toons and need to remember to shuffle some siege around before you're in the field.

    I don't have a huge problem with things like costume dyeing and the crafting bag being tied to the optional sub in ESO. The chapter vs. DLC portion of the sub is a bit of a wait and see how large the DLC wind up being after the change. Despite what many seem to think, ZOS is still a company that is expected to make a profit. At least the sub is optional, whereas, in all P2P games you lose access when you don't pay.

    Looking at it from a consumer perspective. Over the last couple of years. ESO has released more content than GW2. The DLC that's released has been pretty robust, especially Orsinium, not to mention the Tamriel One update. The Morrowind expansion looks absolutely huge vs. Heart of Thorns. Perhaps ZOS is getting enough of the cash flow to keep producing content at a good clip. ANet has seemingly slowed way the hell down.
  • meonthissitemeonthissite Member UncommonPosts: 917
    When you spoke of the cost per year you're leaving out that the cost of the currency is all at once. Most of us will find that we miss the sales because of bills we find that items in the store cannot be purchased during sales sometimes because we don't have the funds, so taking the time for the subscription to build up currency when these special skins, mounts, and items in the store come out or appear on sale, it's better to have the currency for the store saved up so that you don't have to fiddle with knowing if you have that money to spend right now because you already built it up.

    That's what the subscriptions value for me is. For example, they will be releasing the housing patch on the console in the next couple of days, all of the currency I have saved from my subscription will be going to that project :D So it works out in the end. I don't have to spend a dime in the store.
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    Leiloni said:
    I MADE RARE YAAAAYYY THANKS GUYS! <3
    Not only can you grind in MMOs, but in forums, who would have ever thought?

     why back in my day *grumble-grumble-grumble*
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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    laserit said:
    Overly entitled lol

    I'm a 52 year old man who's been around the block a few times.

    I'll buy the $40 expansion if I so choose and spend the $15 per month on pistachios.

    I personally will get a lot more enjoyment from the pistachios then I will the Crown Store.

    I'm 57 and been around the block a few times as well. I would think at your age, you should be able to afford the sub AND pistachios.

    BTW, I don't know what low-quality shit pistachios you're buying (WalMart?) but good quality pistachios run roughly $15 a pound.

    Fifteen dollars for a month of ESO perks is going to go a lot farther than a pound of pistachios, if you indeed enjoy them.

    Unless you ARE buying them at Walmart.

    If so, you may want to double-check them, They're probably rabbit pellets.
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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    Torval said:
    Even if we can't agree on how ZoS is monetizing their game right now I hope we can all agree that dying pistachios red is gross. And yes, they're sort of spendy, but they're good for you like The Elder Scrolls Online. So eat your pistachios and play ESO!
    Dying pistachios red should be considered a hate crime and punishable by death.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    laserit said:
    Overly entitled lol

    I'm a 52 year old man who's been around the block a few times.

    I'll buy the $40 expansion if I so choose and spend the $15 per month on pistachios.

    I personally will get a lot more enjoyment from the pistachios then I will the Crown Store.

    I'm 57 and been around the block a few times as well. I would think at your age, you should be able to afford the sub AND pistachios.

    BTW, I don't know what low-quality shit pistachios you're buying (WalMart?) but good quality pistachios run roughly $15 a pound.

    Fifteen dollars for a month of ESO perks is going to go a lot farther than a pound of pistachios, if you indeed enjoy them.

    Unless you ARE buying them at Walmart.

    If so, you may want to double-check them, They're probably rabbit pellets.
    Who's Walmart? I'm very fortunate in the life I live and I don't take it for granted.

    Like I said in another reply, I choose to spend my money directly on new lands and adventures. Not interested in the shinies.

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    jircris said:


    What you need to consider is this, you pay 15 a month you GET 15 worth in crowns. you also get a crafting bag and the DLC's as well as gold/xp boost. morrowind is AN EXPANSION not a simple DLC. i am honestly tired of overly entitled people constantly moaning about how they pay 15 a month. guess what so have i SINCE LAUNCH in 2014. i am WILLING to pay for an expansion just like everyone who plays WoW soaks up the next expansion from them.
    And do the crowns really have an $0.08 value per crown though?

    With crown store sales at 50% off; the 4 DLC multi-buy being about 50% of the price of the individual DLCs or the recent offer to buy Osinium for 750 crowns say ..... 

    But what if they do? Once you buy the DLCs what can you buy? Cash shop fluffy bunnies basically. So the crowns only really have a value if the fluffy bunnies are valuable. And to some people they might be.


  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    edited February 2017
    Leiloni said:
    I MADE RARE YAAAAYYY THANKS GUYS! <3
    @Leiloni
    With only ~840 posts, that's by far the quickest i have seen.

    Looks like many people agree to your comments or find them awesome :)

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  • swarmdieswarmdie Member UncommonPosts: 67
    I subbed for the craft bag alone, 18$ a month here in Canada because of currency exchange rate. (17.99$ if you need the exact number)
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    I usually sub for any game I intend to play a lot.  I just cannot get into this game though, I think I got one character to 32 before I stopped playing.  I do not like their guild structure, it just seems to be something they added as an afterthought.  Everyone seems hell bent on playing this game solo and they is the opposite way I like to play.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Ozmodan said:
    I usually sub for any game I intend to play a lot.  I just cannot get into this game though, I think I got one character to 32 before I stopped playing.  I do not like their guild structure, it just seems to be something they added as an afterthought.  Everyone seems hell bent on playing this game solo and they is the opposite way I like to play.
    IDK why anyone would play the game solo all the time when the group dungeons reward you with a skill point, something that you're always short of in the early levels, plus they're a different type of fun challenge.

    When I'm leveling a DPS I just queue for the random dungeons and get one every 15 minutes or so. For healers or tanks I just decide which dungeon I want to do and queue for it when I fell like it since they only need to be in the queue for 5 minutes or 1 respectively, even when being selective about which specific dungeon you want to do for that skill point or item set.

    And guilds come in different varieties. The large trade guilds are a necessity for the effective selling of items. But they don't function much like guilds in other MMOs where it's all about doing things with friends. But the more traditional types of guilds also exist in the game. There are PVP guilds, general PVE ones, RP or progression raiding guilds, etc.

    You just have to know where to go look for them. And that is the 6 guild sub-forums of the main forums. There's a NA and EU one for each of the 3 platforms.
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    swarmdie said:
    I subbed for the craft bag alone, 18$ a month here in Canada because of currency exchange rate. (17.99$ if you need the exact number)
    That seems absurd at first, till you really get into the game. Normally in most MMOs I would just dump mats onto the market, and if I needed them later buy them, but since this game has no player market I feel obligated to save them.
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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Prior to release, I studied Elder Scrolls lore and history for hours to be ready for what I thought would be an awesome game. Well, I was basically dissatisfied and only played a couple weeks...the game felt slightly hollow to me. Well, I recently returned and am happy to say the game has improved dramatically. I still find the item/bag management irritating, but there are a couple addons that make it bearable. The homestead addition is also nice, but I would like to see some type of storage chest or something to save items there. 
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  • krulerkruler Member UncommonPosts: 589
    Hariken said:

    Hariken said:





    Nice piece Rob. I don't really find the value in subbing based on how casual I play. Though subbing for a couple of months to collect crowns and experience some DLC is nice.






    I would never sub.to ESO again. Logging in to the game is like RNG. Maybe you get in maybe not. And it get worse with every update.



    Me nor any of my guildmates (Very spread out, one being in Germany, One in the airforce in Korea, another in Finland and myself and a buddy in the states) have no issues whatsoever getting into the game.

    I'm thinking it's issues on your side. Old router?

    No its not on my end. Not when hundreds of other players have the same issue of long loading screen loops or getting kicked back to login once you get in. People have been dealing with this same crap since launch.

    That does sound like a contention latency issue have you tried pinging the server when you have these issues, i'm in Australia and its a common issue, strangely not with ESO which ive never had problems with. 

  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    Sub makes absolutely zero sense, and this past week when the gold edition was 50% off it made even less. You then could buy the base game and all but the latest DLC for 30 bucks. SO at that point the sub gives you the craft bag and Hist or whatever its called. Along with some innocuous 10% boost to exp and gold for kills only.

    And before people say you get 1500 crowns for it as well, you simply say a yearly sub costs 156 bucks that gives you 18000 crowns. At regular prices, 160 bucks would get you 22000 crowns (4 of the 5500 packs). if you wait for the 40% sale then 159 gets you 6 of those packs (6 x 5500) and a 3K pack. so 36000 (twice as many crowns) for just 3 dollars more than the sub costs.

    Buying those crowns would also debunk the whole 'you support the game' comeback.

    The 'value' of the sub has become nearly nonexistent at this point, and as awesome as the craft bag is it clearly isnt worth 156 bucks a year.

    Then the announcement of them doing 3 DLCs and a 'chapter' or whatever a year then you save your sub money and just buy those DLCs outright. Because I doubt they do 3 paid DLCs a year. More than likely they will do a couple freebies and a couple paid. And since you have to pay real cash for the expansions/chapters then what good is the sub? AT that point youre going to be paying close to 200 bucks a year to keep a constant sub and buying every expansion.

    Its going to be the most expensive B2P game there is at that point.

    I gave my thoughts that if you stay subbed for a full year you should get the expansion for free. If you sub for 6 or more months you get 50% off, if you sub for 3 or more months you get 25% off and if you sub for any month at all you get 10% off. THEN subs would actually have meaning. Obviously never going to happen because its obvious theyre really trying to make money with this game now and other things are starting to get forgotten.
  • PapasmervPapasmerv Member UncommonPosts: 63

    Leiloni said:

    I'm just disappointed that they keep pushing the sub. They failed as a P2P game for a reason. The way they keep pushing the sub it's like they're barely a B2P game.



    I don't want to ever pay a sub for any game. I find far more value in spending that money on a costume, or DLC, or piece of content I'll have forever on all of my characters - not fleeting benefits that I may not even make full use of that month. I want to pick and choose when I support them and have the freedom of coming and going from a game as my playtime allows without losing on potential benefits and features because I haven't subbed.



    One of ESO's initial attractions was it's B2P nature but for the past year they've been pushing the subscription more and more. All they're doing is pushing me further and further away. It's very disappointing. ZOS needs to stop being so money hungry and be more customer friendly. We're willing to stick around and we're willing to give you money, but let it be on OUR terms. We're tired of P2P games and we told all of you game devs that years ago. WAKE UP and listen for once.



    And here I am swearing to never play a F2P cash grabbing game from China or Korea again. I welcome monetization models like the one ZOS has because it provides choices. Those that want to support their games on a recurring basis can do so with a sub and those that want to pick and choose which DLC and which cash shop benefits they want can do that too.

    I've been very happy buying what I'm asked to, paying the sub to get access to all DLC and then having crowns to spend on inventory upgrades, speed up the time to mature my mount completely or get a new pet/mount.

    And saying ZOS failed with the initial launch of ESO solely due to it's B2P monetization isn't entirely true. The game had some major launch issues including the nasty need to spend a good % of your playtime managing your inventory.

    Compare ZOS to Kookoo Games or Trino and you won't be complaining about ZOS being greedy.

    We ARE NOT TIRED of P2P AAA titles. We ARE TIRED of money grubbing, nickel and dime grind fests that are hamster habitrails doing the same content day in and out with RNG determining if your character progresses, not your effort.

    So speak for yourself, not the collective WE.
    What every dev/pub should stand behind: "We're committed to creating a fair playing field for all players. You cannot gain gameplay advantage by spending real money in [INSERT GAME NAME]."
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