The thing about the end of a Beta test is that you know the game will be back and you can re-create your characters. It would be somewhat better to look at a game that's been running for years, after it's been announced that it would be discontinued. A big problem with that, though, is that players hope that if they stick together and support the game, the decision will be reversed, similar to shows that were cancelled but brought back by viewer campaigns. Still, I remember when City of Heroes was shut down, there was a much stronger end-of-the-world sentiment and sensation there, than when the beta testing was drawing to a close.
If they want to see what the end of the world will be like, there's always reading the book of Revelation in the Bible. Just sayin' ...
This is a bad case study because the stakes are in no way comparable. To get an even remotely similar study scenario, one would have to observe a sunsetting game, like CoH or SWG. And even then, the effects on sane individuals would in no way resemble a pending apocalypse. There just isn't a substitute for knowing that you and everyone you know is going to die.
I just don't understand any of this, or how any rational human being could find any correlation. I just finished up my Masters in Management, and I should be starting my Phd program in about two months if I get accepted. I would never even consider submitting this kind of project for research for my dissertation or otherwise.
But then again, these individuals may not be gamers, and may not understand the workings of gaming communities. For instance, games are relatively consequence free, and since behaviors in society are largely constrained by the consequences that we face for engaging in said behaviors, games have much looser morals. The correlation is tenuous at best.
Yes look how happy they were when beta was ending. Then how upset they were how it didnt end the way they planned. Yea that is probably the exact thing that will happen.
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Comparing anything that happens in a beta situation in a game to real life is probably one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. Whoever thought up such a ludicrous study needs to go see a shrink.
Comparing anything that happens in a beta situation in a game to real life is probably one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. Whoever thought up such a ludicrous study needs to go see a shrink.
Or at the very least, put down that pipe before posting anything lol.
The country of Somalia would be a much more accurate predictor of how humans would behave in an end of days scenario.
Forget increased socialization, think Walking Dead or Mad Max The Road Warrior as more likely realities
Hell, look at player behavior in any "survival" game and you'll find your answer.
One of the most interesting parts of what you are saying here is this has happened, is happening, and will happen more. We can see it easily all over the world every single day. Some people are forced to live a mini version of the walking dead every single day on our planet while the rest of us dirty stinking apes just sit here and do nothing as a huge group.
The hilarity (it wasn't always funny to me at one point in life it was sorrow for me) is that we have a choice and keep making the same one generation after generation acting like we are doing everything we do for the "children" while in reality it is all just for us over and over. To a certain extent this is exactly the best behavior. However when a population surpasses that extent the consequences are "END OF TIMES".
Sometimes I bet it was fast other times slow how we rise and fall. No matter what history says about history we cannot fully trust in what we see now compared to what was lost and the lessons not learned from 5000 years ago. Either way we have a choice.
As a person and a group we have a damn dirty hard choice to make. Do you want to live? If the answer is yes how would you react in an end times scenario? Would you grab all the resources only to run out and have to go kill for more in a few weeks? Are you planning ahead never knowing if you will die never having seen it come to pass? Will you give of yourself and find others to trade with and try and survive? Or will you just lay down and die? If I live I can tell you what I will do...if there is water left in the ocean and its not 200deg I will surf and if I am lucky find the "big" one get the best ride ever and then be atomized on the ocean floor. With my luck though? I will be the last one standing on a burning ball of dirt... Who are you gonna be?
The country of Somalia would be a much more accurate predictor of how humans would behave in an end of days scenario.
Forget increased socialization, think Walking Dead or Mad Max The Road Warrior as more likely realities
Hell, look at player behavior in any "survival" game and you'll find your answer.
One of the most interesting parts of what you are saying here is this has happened, is happening, and will happen more. We can see it easily all over the world every single day. Some people are forced to live a mini version of the walking dead every single day on our planet while the rest of us dirty stinking apes just sit here and do nothing as a huge group.
The hilarity (it wasn't always funny to me at one point in life it was sorrow for me) is that we have a choice and keep making the same one generation after generation acting like we are doing everything we do for the "children" while in reality it is all just for us over and over. To a certain extent this is exactly the best behavior. However when a population surpasses that extent the consequences are "END OF TIMES".
Sometimes I bet it was fast other times slow how we rise and fall. No matter what history says about history we cannot fully trust in what we see now compared to what was lost and the lessons not learned from 5000 years ago. Either way we have a choice.
As a person and a group we have a damn dirty hard choice to make. Do you want to live? If the answer is yes how would you react in an end times scenario? Would you grab all the resources only to run out and have to go kill for more in a few weeks? Are you planning ahead never knowing if you will die never having seen it come to pass? Will you give of yourself and find others to trade with and try and survive? Or will you just lay down and die? If I live I can tell you what I will do...if there is water left in the ocean and its not 200deg I will surf and if I am lucky find the "big" one get the best ride ever and then be atomized on the ocean floor. With my luck though? I will be the last one standing on a burning ball of dirt... Who are you gonna be?
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So if we only have 3 days before the end of the world we tend not to do things that take more than 3 days to accomplish? Who knew!
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3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
Any researcher that used Archeage as a base of any study is a f#%king quack.
The fact that it was Archeage is all in all irrelevant. They could have used any game in a similar state. My guess is that either it was a case of "it happened to fit the timeframe we have" or "i like to spend a part of the research grant playing my faves MMO"
The former being the more likely.
As for the scenario it self....
Well it is not like they can study anything in the real world since any case that fits would spell their end long before the work was done and getting it peer reviewed would be a.. well.. challenge. =P
This is what one would call a good start, others can the build on this work and study different scenarios or try different vectors... Or in short... do them reserach thingies.
Not something i would have granted money to. But each to their own.
3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
Absolutely correct, but the topic was end of days which is way more serious than surviving with very little. It has more to do with how mankind perceives social/political/moral structures in the face of short term demise. That's not just another day IMO.
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3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
Absolutely correct, but the topic was end of days which is way more serious than surviving with very little. It has more to do with how mankind perceives social/political/moral structures in the face of short term demise. That's not just another day IMO.
All taken from our 1st world western perspective. One's demise is another's rise.
3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
lol....yep.
Reminds me of all the internet warriors talking about a zombie apocalypse years back and puffing up their egos with their survival plans.
The reality is 90% wouldn't make it 6 inches out their front door and the other 10% wouldn't make it 6 feet...tops.
3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
Absolutely correct, but the topic was end of days which is way more serious than surviving with very little. It has more to do with how mankind perceives social/political/moral structures in the face of short term demise. That's not just another day IMO.
All taken from our 1st world western perspective. One's demise is another's rise.
I believe FlybyKnight was referring to an extinction level event. In that instance, barring colonization of space or another planet, it doesn't matter if you're 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or last world... It ends.
However, we consider apocalypse to mean the creation of a dystopia.. I definitely see the point, and it would be interesting to think about how different groups would fare within different resulting dystopias (i.e. electricity loss versus simple collapse in the majority of world governments, etc.).
3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
lol....yep.
Reminds me of all the internet warriors talking about a zombie apocalypse years back and puffing up their egos with their survival plans.
The reality is 90% wouldn't make it 6 inches out their front door and the other 10% wouldn't make it 6 feet...tops.
And just like those zombie apocalypse survival games... the zombies are the least of our worries
3rd World poverty isn't anarchy or post-apocalypse though.
It isn't about poverty, it's about knowing how to survive with very little.
If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
Absolutely correct, but the topic was end of days which is way more serious than surviving with very little. It has more to do with how mankind perceives social/political/moral structures in the face of short term demise. That's not just another day IMO.
All taken from our 1st world western perspective. One's demise is another's rise.
I believe FlybyKnight was referring to an extinction level event. In that instance, barring colonization of space or another planet, it doesn't matter if you're 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or last world... It ends.
However, we consider apocalypse to mean the creation of a dystopia.. I definitely see the point, and it would be interesting to think about how different groups would fare within different resulting dystopias (i.e. electricity loss versus simple collapse in the majority of world governments, etc.).
We think in our perspective. Our western world is very, very fragile. All you need do is look at things like Black Friday sales, Cabbage Patch Kids and Tickle Me Elmo to get an answer as to how our society would react.
Every event would have the same result, that result would = anarchy.
Every event would have the same result, that result would = anarchy.
Eh. Anarchy means "without rulers". Anarchism is essentially living autonomously. I'd argue neither of those are bad things, whether or not they seem possible to implement in the U.S. in 2017. It's far past time that the anarchy = chaos concept was debunked in mainstream discourse.
Originally posted by Scagweed22 is it the graphics? the repetativenesses? i mean what is the point? you could be so much more productive in real life Real life brings repetition and pointlessness too. The only thing real life offers is Great graphics. Its kinda expensive too and way to dependent on the cash shop. Totally pay to win as well. No thank you. Ill stick to my games.
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If they want to see what the end of the world will be like, there's always reading the book of Revelation in the Bible. Just sayin' ...
But then again, these individuals may not be gamers, and may not understand the workings of gaming communities. For instance, games are relatively consequence free, and since behaviors in society are largely constrained by the consequences that we face for engaging in said behaviors, games have much looser morals. The correlation is tenuous at best.
Dude. Take that quackery somewhere else. It has no place on the MMORPG website and it has no place amongst intelligent people.
Stop getting your "information" from Youtube people selling books.
Sucks for everyone else stuck in "steerage"
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One of the most interesting parts of what you are saying here is this has happened, is happening, and will happen more. We can see it easily all over the world every single day. Some people are forced to live a mini version of the walking dead every single day on our planet while the rest of us dirty stinking apes just sit here and do nothing as a huge group.
The hilarity (it wasn't always funny to me at one point in life it was sorrow for me) is that we have a choice and keep making the same one generation after generation acting like we are doing everything we do for the "children" while in reality it is all just for us over and over. To a certain extent this is exactly the best behavior. However when a population surpasses that extent the consequences are "END OF TIMES".
Sometimes I bet it was fast other times slow how we rise and fall. No matter what history says about history we cannot fully trust in what we see now compared to what was lost and the lessons not learned from 5000 years ago. Either way we have a choice.
As a person and a group we have a damn dirty hard choice to make. Do you want to live? If the answer is yes how would you react in an end times scenario? Would you grab all the resources only to run out and have to go kill for more in a few weeks? Are you planning ahead never knowing if you will die never having seen it come to pass? Will you give of yourself and find others to trade with and try and survive? Or will you just lay down and die? If I live I can tell you what I will do...if there is water left in the ocean and its not 200deg I will surf and if I am lucky find the "big" one get the best ride ever and then be atomized on the ocean floor. With my luck though? I will be the last one standing on a burning ball of dirt... Who are you gonna be?
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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If the lights went out and never came back on. Things wouldn't be much different for the 3rd world. Where as 9/10 of us would probably be dead within a month.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
The former being the more likely.
As for the scenario it self....
Well it is not like they can study anything in the real world since any case that fits would spell their end long before the work was done and getting it peer reviewed would be a.. well.. challenge. =P
This is what one would call a good start, others can the build on this work and study different scenarios or try different vectors... Or in short... do them reserach thingies.
Not something i would have granted money to. But each to their own.
This have been a good conversation
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lol....yep.
Reminds me of all the internet warriors talking about a zombie apocalypse years back and puffing up their egos with their survival plans.
The reality is 90% wouldn't make it 6 inches out their front door and the other 10% wouldn't make it 6 feet...tops.
~~ postlarval ~~
However, we consider apocalypse to mean the creation of a dystopia.. I definitely see the point, and it would be interesting to think about how different groups would fare within different resulting dystopias (i.e. electricity loss versus simple collapse in the majority of world governments, etc.).
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Every event would have the same result, that result would = anarchy.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Originally posted by Scagweed22
is it the graphics? the repetativenesses? i mean what is the point? you could be so much more productive in real life
Real life brings repetition and pointlessness too. The only thing real life offers is Great graphics. Its kinda expensive too and way to dependent on the cash shop. Totally pay to win as well. No thank you. Ill stick to my games.