Here is the thing about the CoH shutdown. It was still profitable. Yes that's right. They shut down a game that was still, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, making them money. Now what kind of business man throws away free money? Seriously. The reason for the shut down of the game was because it's profit margins slipped 3 percent. Yes, 3 whopping percent. So when they saw that they just decided to shut it down declaring it dead, yes for a whole 3 percent. What they did and how they handled it was a big slap in the face to everyone who had played or was playing. Now they pull this? Salt in an open wound. Very poor taste. The only way this wouldn't be such a thing is if they were planning on bringing back CoH. Last I heard there was a dev studio that was talking about buying it. I think that might have been the team working on City of Titans if I recall correctly.
You must not work for a large company.
3% is a big deal when they most likely needed "more percent".
It's not enough for something to be profitable it must meet their targets/predictions. If they don't meet their targets overall for the year then that could be bad for the stock price.
Additionally, a company spends "x amount of dollars" for a project/product and expects/needs to get "x amount of dollars" in return for that money spent. If a project/product is not making what they need it to make and they can take the same amount of money and make more on something else then that's what they are going to spend it on.
Now, on topic, I don't think they should have used this character and its clear they are a bit out of touch with their fan base.
Kinda curious considering Wildstar is still running and made 1/3rd what City of Heroes did at shutdown on the last NCSoft financial report.
I think its likely NC invested more money into WS than COH.
That or someone on the WS team has compromising photos of NC execs..
(maybe with animals even) O.o
j/k
This is the most plausible theory I have heard yet!
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
As i said before, this smells a lot like legal wrangling at some level... Like those god awful Fantastic Four movies that had to be made due to licensing stuff.
Well in this case it is probably to keep the IP "active" but still.
That and ofc free marketing.
Now as for me... Well i´l use my misplaced "loyalty" and simply dismiss the game.
they did the best thing which any company with a bit of brain, would have done the same thing.
No the best thing would have been to accept the offer to buy the IP for millions of dollars. They chose not to because they didn't think much of USA players then and they don't think much of us now.
Agreed. Also in general CoH fans talk about this game constantly. This dead horse has been beaten to a pulp and just needs to be left alone. It's just a game people. It's time to move on. You'll feel a lot better if you do.
Well, I actually had moved on. After the shutdown I felt like I had just put my beloved pet to sleep unnecessarily and I felt the effects for years to come. I finally got over it. CoH was dead and buried and then NCsoft digs up that dead horse so we can beat on it some more. I would have gladly left it alone. I WANTED to leave it alone. It was NCsoft that didn't leave it alone.
You want to blame someone for hearing us bitch about CoH again? Blame NCsoft. The rest of us certainly are.
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
Would we even be talking about MXM right now if it wasn't for them adding the Statesman to the game? Sounds like their PR stunt is working...
Yes because it has tons of other characters that the rest of us care about and it's supposedly a good game. I couldn't care less about this CoH character. This game has already been talked about a lot honestly.
Honestly, the first and only post in the MXM forum is about this Statesman issue.
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I played City of Heroes since its beta. When I saw this I was very interested as I was not familiar with MXM as saw the potential for the return of CoH. When I saw that MXM was just another MOBA, I wasn't offended, insulted, or betrayed. Just completely unterested.
I will wait to evailutate City of Tians, Valiance Online and Ship of Heroes when they arrive to see if they are worthy successors to CoH.
Honestly who cares? It allows people to play a character they once loved or possibly still do love. Why does it automatically have to mean it's a disservice?
Honestly I love that they added him he'll probably be my main character. This made me even more hyped for this game. People shouldn't be so sensitive to these kind of things.
Have fun with it
I agree with this so much. This isn't a disservice, it's a character owned by NCSoft that they are adding into a new game. The fact that this has generated so much buzz is actually good for the game. I hadn't even heard of this before the whining started. Looking into the features they are bringing into the genre, it seems pretty neat. I'll probably give this a whirl, although I'll be playing as Rytlock.
"City of Heroes fans do miss the Statesman. They miss Positron and Manitcore. They miss Back Alley Brawler, Ghost Widow, Captain Mako, even Blue Steel."
No, not me. I miss a lot of things about the game, but not these characters. I miss being able to really let my imagination go and make all sort of very different characters of my own, with unique and sometimes funny backstories. Guess I could try Champions again, but that has other things that are different and it just doesn't give me the same feeling of being part of another world, one that's not all that different from the real world...
Anyway, I can see both sides -- it certainly doesn't attract me and indeed seems a bit annoying, but after all they do still own the rights and no harm done to me. Statesman was a pure melee tank, as I recall, and that seems unusual for a MOBA, where all the characters seem to have some ranged capability. Even Reinhardt in Overwatch can launch fireballs. So MXM has a greater variety in its characters, eh?
Honestly who cares? It allows people to play a character they once loved or possibly still do love. Why does it automatically have to mean it's a disservice?
Honestly I love that they added him he'll probably be my main character. This made me even more hyped for this game. People shouldn't be so sensitive to these kind of things.
You mean like how the Lost Vikings being in Heroes was a disservice to Lost Vikings fans?
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It's a tribute. They know that there are fans of Cities out there, who this will have traction with. That draws players into their new moba through franchise association. It's not different to, for example, Kingdom Hearts or the many, many, many franchised fighting games that use long-dead or underused comic book villains and heroes to generate buzz. Cities fans should be pleased they are being recognised with this, that NCSoft think it valuable enough to warrant this, rather than seeing it as a poke in the eye cause you don't have an MMO.
Well, let's put it this way, it depends on how the larger portion of City of Heroes fans feel about the game closing.
I mean, this is clearly going to predominately speak to City of Heroes fans. So if the majority of them are "ok" and look at this as a bit of an homage, then you are most likely correct. If the majority of them are still annoyed at the game's closing then this might backfire.
And clearly one just can't tell from forum posts as the most die hard fans are going to be posting on forums over the larger portion of the City of Heroes player base.
As @Blaze_Rocker pointed out, we would have let the dead horse lie, if NCsoft had not dug up the corpse. NCsoft had to realize they were not attracting CoH fans, they were driving them away. They probably did it for legal reasons, but they did it.
There are so many things that make little sense. I realize the game was dangerously close to going in the red, and likely would have once Marvel Heroes went to open beta. And I realize that the money offers to buy the IP were poisoned by length of payments. It is likely any buyer would have gone into the red if they could not pay off the game in two years. But why didn't NCsoft try to renegotiate the sale to their favor? Because the only payment plan they were likely to accept was one payment. And small development houses won't get credit lines for 8 year old IPs.
The bottom line is that they could have let the game run 6 more months. Issue 24 was almost done. That amazing looking free expansion would have attracted a lot of former players, driving up profits for a couple of months at least. I think with the increase in players they would have been profitable all the way until Marvel Heroes released. That would have also gotten them 6 more months to find a buyer with better terms.
But they threw it all away, unless they are planning on making a sequel. There has not been any mention that I can dig up about CoH2, other than that NCsoft copy-wrote the names City of Heroes 2, CoH2, City of Villains 2, CoV2, and Paragon Heroes in 2010.
While I am not the most connected person with the gaming industry, I have a few friends out there. And there does not seem to be the slightest interest in a sequel. So yeah, if NCsoft wants to dig up the dead horse, are they really surprised we are kicking the carcass?
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
its just their ploy to get press for their game and ppl who dont even know what coh was might be interested and their ploy is working they have all the cohers talking about it and every site is posting about it nothing more then shall we say a nemesis plot
It's amazing how stupid and deluded so many of you are, saying that this is a disservice or insulting to fans. Are you insane?
Do you idiots truly think your insane mentality of this being "an insult" is shared by every CoH fan? Come on.
It's amazing how stupid and deluded so many of you are, saying that this is a disservice or insulting to fans. Are you insane?
Do you idiots truly think your insane mentality of this being "an insult" is shared by every CoH fan? Come on.
No, not by every fan. Just the majority of fans.
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
i beleave this was done more because if a IP isnt used after so long you can lose rights to it, not completly certain on how this works, ether way while some dont see the issue for those of us that found CoX to be more of a home and gathering place for us and our friends instead of just another game that as played for a few hours then tossed like most MMOs are treated these days, this tye of thing is very much a slap in the face.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
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The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
Well in this case it is probably to keep the IP "active" but still.
That and ofc free marketing.
Now as for me... Well i´l use my misplaced "loyalty" and simply dismiss the game.
This have been a good conversation
No the best thing would have been to accept the offer to buy the IP for millions of dollars. They chose not to because they didn't think much of USA players then and they don't think much of us now.
Well, I actually had moved on. After the shutdown I felt like I had just put my beloved pet to sleep unnecessarily and I felt the effects for years to come. I finally got over it. CoH was dead and buried and then NCsoft digs up that dead horse so we can beat on it some more. I would have gladly left it alone. I WANTED to leave it alone. It was NCsoft that didn't leave it alone.
You want to blame someone for hearing us bitch about CoH again? Blame NCsoft. The rest of us certainly are.
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
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I will wait to evailutate City of Tians, Valiance Online and Ship of Heroes when they arrive to see if they are worthy successors to CoH.
Mission accomplished, NCSoft.
No, not me. I miss a lot of things about the game, but not these characters. I miss being able to really let my imagination go and make all sort of very different characters of my own, with unique and sometimes funny backstories. Guess I could try Champions again, but that has other things that are different and it just doesn't give me the same feeling of being part of another world, one that's not all that different from the real world...
Anyway, I can see both sides -- it certainly doesn't attract me and indeed seems a bit annoying, but after all they do still own the rights and no harm done to me. Statesman was a pure melee tank, as I recall, and that seems unusual for a MOBA, where all the characters seem to have some ranged capability. Even Reinhardt in Overwatch can launch fireballs. So MXM has a greater variety in its characters, eh?
+100000000000000000000 like the ones crying on MMORPG.com right?
There are so many things that make little sense. I realize the game was dangerously close to going in the red, and likely would have once Marvel Heroes went to open beta. And I realize that the money offers to buy the IP were poisoned by length of payments. It is likely any buyer would have gone into the red if they could not pay off the game in two years. But why didn't NCsoft try to renegotiate the sale to their favor? Because the only payment plan they were likely to accept was one payment. And small development houses won't get credit lines for 8 year old IPs.
The bottom line is that they could have let the game run 6 more months. Issue 24 was almost done. That amazing looking free expansion would have attracted a lot of former players, driving up profits for a couple of months at least. I think with the increase in players they would have been profitable all the way until Marvel Heroes released. That would have also gotten them 6 more months to find a buyer with better terms.
But they threw it all away, unless they are planning on making a sequel. There has not been any mention that I can dig up about CoH2, other than that NCsoft copy-wrote the names City of Heroes 2, CoH2, City of Villains 2, CoV2, and Paragon Heroes in 2010.
While I am not the most connected person with the gaming industry, I have a few friends out there. And there does not seem to be the slightest interest in a sequel. So yeah, if NCsoft wants to dig up the dead horse, are they really surprised we are kicking the carcass?
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.