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AoC: What Questions do you want answered before the Kickstarter ends?
Wellspring
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Based on what we know so far, what are the things you would like to know, about Ashes of Creation, before pledging or being charged for your current package at the end of the KS?
For me, based on some of the hot topics to come up recently with other MMO's in development:
1) What is your policy on RMT (gold selling) going to be?
2) Can you define what "Pay to Win" means to you, in context of the micro-transaction shop? The term Pay2Win seems to mean something different to everyone.
In reference to this question on the KS FAQ:
"Will there be a microtransaction shop?
For me, based on some of the hot topics to come up recently with other MMO's in development:
1) What is your policy on RMT (gold selling) going to be?
2) Can you define what "Pay to Win" means to you, in context of the micro-transaction shop? The term Pay2Win seems to mean something different to everyone.
In reference to this question on the KS FAQ:
"Will there be a microtransaction shop?
Yes, we plan to include a shop for microtransactions. But, the shop will only include cosmetic items. Nothing in our shop will ever be pay to win as we believe this practice greatly hurts the MMORPG genre."
3) Will there be subscription currency items in game that players can buy with real-life money and sell to other players in-game? E.g. Krono in EverQuest1.
I'd love to hear what questions other people are looking to get answered...
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(Yes I know the first letters... Still. I'm sure some clever sot can come up with something)
I self identify as a monkey.
They actually refer to it as Ashes on their Discord, or so I'm told.
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Apparently the acronym "mmorpg" itself can be assigned to anything as long as you have fun. This should matter a lot less.
Why can't two games go by the same acronym? I played the heck out of Age of Conan when it launched in 2008(?), but that doesn't mean they get exclusive rights to the abbreviation forever. If you can't tell which one is being referred to based on the context of the post, then ask for clarification.
I do apologize though for any confusion I may have caused. In this case, I was referring to the game "Ashes of Creation" by Intrepid Studios.
League of Legends goes by LOL, and so does a certain button next to "Awesome" on these forums. But there isn't confusion due to context.
Just having a bit of fun. I truly don't care what ppl call it.
I self identify as a monkey.
Actually if a game was ever at all popular and still running no less it pretty much does get exclusive use of the acronym.
When people say DAOC, WOW, DDO, SWG, UO, AC, AO, SWTOR or LOTRO there is almost no confusion among anyone whose been around awhile which game they represent.
Using AOC incorrectly makes you look like an ill informed newcomer to the genre.
Your analogy of comparing LOL (a game) to a forum button is also a classic forum mistake, comparing apples to oranges.
Had you found a puzzle or board game with LOL you may have made a point.
The correction will continue.
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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Yes, they avoided using an industry standard term MVP and substituted Core viable product, which could mean almost anything but a playable game. (MVPs are actually completed products)
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All of the abbreviations you listed use the first letter of each word of the game's title.
But has there been another MMORPG that has the same first letter abbreviation as any of those other games yet?
Maybe Ashes of Creation... I mean, AoC... is the first one?
Do you really think if there was another MMO out that had gone by WoW before World of Warcraft, that people would just start referring to the new game as "World" or "World of". That'd be silly.
They can but it's really not good for product recognition, when i see AOC I think Age of Conan which I'm sure many do. It's especially not really good for them when that game is running on fumes as it is, as most have played and moved on from it. Meaning many may just ignore any topic where said acronym is used.
The whole purpose of an acronym like that is a catchy short form for identifying the game and topics surrounding it. When that short form is already used for a product many know of it's just spreading unneeded confusion.
There's also the simple case of the WWF.... Which was forced into changing their well known identifier because the wild life foundation had dibs on it. Now they're the WWE.
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Yes! That's an important question too. I'd hate to find out after KS that the game requires a few more million dollars from outside investors in order to finish the game...
or maybe like my post, people are overthinking this an people will adapt an know their 2 games called AoC...
I doubt we'll know the truth there at least as long as they're reaching out for funds, they say they have most of it funded, yet only need money for x. Which honestly I'm surprised went over as well as it did. As it certainly raises questions they have not answered. Like if you're funded why do you need small amounts like 750k for a full fledged MMO, as that really doesn't account for much in a typical budget.
Seems to me it's a mix of relieving fear ( don't worry we're funded you'll get your game) yet they need money so they can't say they're fully funded, otherwise who'd donate?
Kickstarters, what more is there really to say? HA
Take it all with a grain of salt..
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Not some pie in the sky, "telling us what we want to hear" short estimate of 6 onths - 1 year
And not the wishy washy, "it'll be done when it's done."
Just a realistic timeline. There is X amount of work we need to do, with the staff on hand and anticipated turnover, along with realistic delays, what does the timeline look like? 3 years? 5 years?
Even if it's a conservative estimate, it's always better to under promise and over deliver - which never seems to happen, it always seems that we get shown the world and when the delivery gets here, it's freakin digornio.
The kickstarter page says estimated delivery date December 2018. Don't know if that's just a placeholder though or an actual estimate.
They can, until one of the parties trademarks it.
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No, because the viable is there, which is the actual word that matters. I think that they replaced the "M" because people seem to take offense to the idea of "Minimum". Just my guess, but based on some of the discussions that have taken place here and the Interwebs, it's clear that people have a problem with the concept of any MVP.
I do agree with Slapshot that I'd like to hear what their MVP includes.
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World of Warships...which uses WOWS instead of WoW.
Yeah I saw that which is why I'd like to know how they view that date. If they're anything like every other kickstarter has been, that's they "hopeful, fingers crossed" ETA. Which I don't think is good practice. If they actually think they'll go live in Dec 2018, then I'd love to hear them say that and provide a roadmap.
I know they're in some early Alpha build, but that can mean anything from company to company. Game development takes time, it's better to be honest and realistic than to have to kick a can down the road when your "deadlines" roll by.
Dec 2018: Alpha Phase 1 Begins
Dec 2020: Beta Phase 1 Begins
June 2022: Early Access
Feb 2023: Official Release
All of the videos that have been released are very canned at the moment, really just cinematic examples of what the game could be. I don't mind them purchasing art work, that's actually a good business decision if it can all blend together well. But their programming team seems weak so far, and I have seen no progress being made on all the complex games systems they want to implement so far.
The scope of their game seems to be on par with Wildstar, and it took the Wildstar team, starting at a size of 17, 9 years to complete the game.
I just feel that so far whats being pitched is just dreams, and I haven't seen anything that gives me confidence they can actually pull off what they're trying to sell.