just to jump in, its their responsibility to proof they had the money as per their claim!!! that's how adults handle stuff if u are too young to understand this i'll suggest study first games later.
They really didn't claim to have 30 mil, it's a simple matter of misinterpretation in an interview. It was even clarified by the interviewer after the fact.
Right. And the important detail totally lost in this thread is that $30 million sounds like a realistic amount for developing an indie MMORPG and it happens to be the amount that Steven used as his estimate of what is needed.
I have absolutely no problem with casting reasonable doubt on KS project viability when the reasons for that doubt are based on reality. I'm not seeing that here.
If he HAS $30M then I would agree, but you just admitted that as far as we can tell they do NOT have $30M in the bank. Not having the money you admit you need would fall under the "reasonable doubt on KS project viability" would it not?
If he HAS the $30M in the company's bank account (not his own) then I think it's very viable that this will get to a somewhat comprehensive launch.
At this stage of the game? No. I could care less whether he has it in the bank or just has confidence he can get it. It's not like you need the $30 million all at once at the very beginning.
You guys are reaching and nitpicking because he hasn't said anything outrageous about his plans for the game like Caspian has with CoE.
All you've got is "show me the money and...umm... MLM is evil... yeah... so Greedmonger." It's beyond lame.
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People are starting to have doubts about other crowdfunded games that seem to be struggling even with 10-20m+ crowdfunding campaigns and industry vets behind them so to categorize this game with Greedmonger since that was on the lower side of the KS $ earned spectrum isn't unreasonable especially since the guy heading the project has no prior game developing experience?
It does seem to be a trend now for these out of nowhere games to provide some gameplay footage right away because people have said for such a longtime that without gameplay footage they wouldn't support it. If I were a scammer looking to make a quick buck from a crowdfunding campaign my first priority would be to make gameplay footage to earn people's trust so they'd back the project.
People are starting to have doubts about other crowdfunded games that seem to be struggling even with 10-20m+ crowdfunding campaigns and industry vets behind them so to categorize this game with Greedmonger since that was on the lower side of the KS $ earned spectrum isn't unreasonable especially since the guy heading the project has no prior game developing experience?
It does seem to be a trend now for these out of nowhere games to provide some gameplay footage right away because people have said for such a longtime that without gameplay footage they wouldn't support it. If I were a scammer looking to make a quick buck from a crowdfunding campaign my first priority would be to make gameplay footage to earn people's trust so they'd back the project.
No. It just lets everyone know that you also have no clue that all that Greedmonger ever was, was one promoter and one amateur programmer.
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I had no idea what Greedmonger was but after looking it up I can't believe people backed that. Comparing AoC to that is bonkers.
We know they have leased a 5,800 square foot office. That is quite large. Also ~15 employees and have spent a year in development already.
We know their art is original assets. No one has ever provided any proof that they have bought their art off the marketplace. Steven said they may have used some trees which seems perfectly reasonable. Plus their underwater temple and such they have screenshots are quite obviously original and look amazing.
We know they have budgeted 30 million and plan to be released "before 2020" which seems like a reasonable budget and time table.
If this was some kind of scam, it wouldn't be a very good one. They have probably spent as much as their Kickstarter will make already.
It does seem to be a trend now for these out of nowhere games to provide some gameplay footage right away because people have said for such a longtime that without gameplay footage they wouldn't support it. If I were a scammer looking to make a quick buck from a crowdfunding campaign my first priority would be to make gameplay footage to earn people's trust so they'd back the project.
That's always a slight risk, yet there's also risk in trying to pull something like that. It's not like there is no recourse for the scammed or possible consequence for the scammer.
I don't donate to KS myself yet this is the last reason I'd pick to explain why. OF all the KS projects thus far it's saying a lot when a project like Greedmonger, is the only real go to example of a KS scam as far as games go, the last go to example was Dark & light before that Mourning (neither of which were KS games). It just doesn't happen all that much,...There are easier less visible ways to run scams.
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I can't speak for, against, or about Ashes of Creation -- I know absolutely nothing about it.
But I do have to ask. Why they hell is there so much hatred towards independent fundraising? It's been proven effective and you don't have to stand in line to prove to an investor anything that is going to be skeptical and likely not interested in even the subject matter.
This couldn't be proven true or false, but mega corporation develops game that sucks but got these investors and no one complains and that company still makes millions/billions. And independent company/team raises a mil just to develop something and everyone freaks out. The difference still is that the fund raised can turn out to be a better game and the artists can get their message across, unlike the bureaucracy game company that is literally only after your money. Sure, it may end up just as bad as the mega corp games, but there isn't some jackass breathing down their neck.
This game's principals claim to have already secured $30M from "evil" investors to make the core game. (whatever that is)
So much for independence and answering to no one.
The KS is to provide additional content so while we don't know what is contained in the core the KSer is helping confirm what isn't.
Most of the "hatred" for crowd funding comes from well over 4 years of no real successes in the MMORPG space.
Natives are getting restless and a little hostile on over promising and under delivery by most of these teams.
Additional funding can be independent. Bungies first project was funded by family and friends. Crowd-sourcing and Crowd-funding allow other entities to join in if they want.
The hatred from crowdfunding comes from people who just like contention and the attention that comes with. How often are the loudest complainers not even invested? There are a few people who buy into a game so they can complain while throwing down the "I'm a funder too!" card.
Perhaps equally puzzling are people with no investment who furiously defend a game or its developers.
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just to jump in, its their responsibility to proof they had the money as per their claim!!! that's how adults handle stuff if u are too young to understand this i'll suggest study first games later.
They really didn't claim to have 30 mil, it's a simple matter of misinterpretation in an interview. It was even clarified by the interviewer after the fact.
Right. And the important detail totally lost in this thread is that $30 million sounds like a realistic amount for developing an indie MMORPG and it happens to be the amount that Steven used as his estimate of what is needed.
I have absolutely no problem with casting reasonable doubt on KS project viability when the reasons for that doubt are based on reality. I'm not seeing that here.
If he HAS $30M then I would agree, but you just admitted that as far as we can tell they do NOT have $30M in the bank. Not having the money you admit you need would fall under the "reasonable doubt on KS project viability" would it not?
If he HAS the $30M in the company's bank account (not his own) then I think it's very viable that this will get to a somewhat comprehensive launch.
At this stage of the game? No. I could care less whether he has it in the bank or just has confidence he can get it. It's not like you need the $30 million all at once at the very beginning.
You guys are reaching and nitpicking because he hasn't said anything outrageous about his plans for the game like Caspian has with CoE.
All you've got is "show me the money and...umm... MLM is evil... yeah... so Greedmonger." It's beyond lame.
First if you scroll up I clearly state this isn't Greedmonger.
Second, so the ability to actually have the money needed is irrelevant to having, as you say, a "reasonable doubt on Kickstarter viability"? That's just silly. It's equally important to have the money as it is to set a budget. Dismissing a simple and legitimate question such as that undercuts your entire argument.
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Perhaps equally puzzling are people with no investment who furiously defend a game or its developers.
Or try to pretend to be above it all.
Welcome to the mire.
Oh come come on... what's puzzling about sharing an opinion on an active topic? We all move from topic to topic throwing our two cents around, it's the issue in the topic that people focus on for the most part. Not some defense of a dev or game, especially when it comes to KS games or Devs.
It's all theoretical in the end, there's no game to speak of in reality to judge how said issue does affect it..., Hence any of these discussions could be applied to just about all of these projects... be it how P2W would affect this, how funds affect that. etc....
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You guys are reaching and nitpicking because he hasn't said anything outrageous about his plans for the game like Caspian has with CoE.
All you've got is "show me the money and...umm... MLM is evil... yeah... so Greedmonger." It's beyond lame.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It does seem to be a trend now for these out of nowhere games to provide some gameplay footage right away because people have said for such a longtime that without gameplay footage they wouldn't support it. If I were a scammer looking to make a quick buck from a crowdfunding campaign my first priority would be to make gameplay footage to earn people's trust so they'd back the project.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
We know they have leased a 5,800 square foot office. That is quite large. Also ~15 employees and have spent a year in development already.
We know their art is original assets. No one has ever provided any proof that they have bought their art off the marketplace. Steven said they may have used some trees which seems perfectly reasonable. Plus their underwater temple and such they have screenshots are quite obviously original and look amazing.
We know they have budgeted 30 million and plan to be released "before 2020" which seems like a reasonable budget and time table.
If this was some kind of scam, it wouldn't be a very good one. They have probably spent as much as their Kickstarter will make already.
I don't donate to KS myself yet this is the last reason I'd pick to explain why. OF all the KS projects thus far it's saying a lot when a project like Greedmonger, is the only real go to example of a KS scam as far as games go, the last go to example was Dark & light before that Mourning (neither of which were KS games). It just doesn't happen all that much,...There are easier less visible ways to run scams.
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Or try to pretend to be above it all.
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Second, so the ability to actually have the money needed is irrelevant to having, as you say, a "reasonable doubt on Kickstarter viability"? That's just silly. It's equally important to have the money as it is to set a budget. Dismissing a simple and legitimate question such as that undercuts your entire argument.
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It's all theoretical in the end, there's no game to speak of in reality to judge how said issue does affect it..., Hence any of these discussions could be applied to just about all of these projects... be it how P2W would affect this, how funds affect that. etc....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson