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Pledges to be refunded if game doesn't launch

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  • skullhead51skullhead51 Member UncommonPosts: 21
    edited May 2017
    Ponzini said:
    You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple. 

    You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.

    By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/14luppZ3Ub8jmcw_aK65QWxYY4xa8qAo9zRfpYWBxOXE/edit

    Have at it.
    That google doc doesn't include livestream notes it seems.

    This google doc https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7xq-8r9DA_qTlZZOWxyRVR2VUk includes Q&A livestream notes up to May 20th.  Though they aren't totally accurate unless they are the full transcript ones.  Some of them also include timestamps so you could just go to that livestream at the time and get the full details.

    If you want more recent notes, check the reddit or ask in the discord.
  • PresciencePrescience Member UncommonPosts: 255
    Thank you for that!  I knew that it originally explicitly stated that Kickstarter was included but did not have screenshots.  Now thanks to you I do :)


    The plot thickens.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,976
    What company even thinks like that unless the product is sheer garbage?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited May 2017
    Thank you for that!  I knew that it originally explicitly stated that Kickstarter was included but did not have screenshots.  Now thanks to you I do :)


    The plot thickens.
    While it clearly shows that KS pledges would be part of the payout, it also states they will be paid quarterly after the game "officially" launches.


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  • SwordeBeemeLordSwordeBeemeLord Member Posts: 25
    hahahaha are you kidding? So kickstarters have to wait 2 years to get a return on their "investment". So what happens when the game's launch get held back?

    I hear that's a common thing to happen in pyramid schemes, to delay paying people what they're owed.
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    hahahaha are you kidding? So kickstarters have to wait 2 years to get a return on their "investment". So what happens when the game's launch get held back?

    I hear that's a common thing to happen in pyramid schemes, to delay paying people what they're owed.

    I also hear a common thing is that people don't really know what a pyramid scheme is....... just sayin! 
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  • SwordeBeemeLordSwordeBeemeLord Member Posts: 25
    I hear some people don't know, that they don't know what a pyramid scheme isn't not... Just sayin!

    CrazKanuk
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    I hear some people don't know, that they don't know what a pyramid scheme isn't not... Just sayin!


    Well it's tough to build a pyramid with one level, son. If you can find an Egyptian to do that, then I'll show you who the real scammer is. 

    You can still scam people with a referral program, you just don't pay them. However, that doesn't make a referral program a pyramid scheme. Hence my point, you have no clue what a pyramid scheme is. 
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  • SwordeBeemeLordSwordeBeemeLord Member Posts: 25
    Actually the larger the pyramid is, the harder it is to build. Did you even think for a moment before you typed that? Or were you just in a rush to "sick own" this "lying agenda scum"?
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Actually the larger the pyramid is, the harder it is to build. Did you even think for a moment before you typed that? Or were you just in a rush to "sick own" this "lying agenda scum"?

    Lol, did you even read my post? There is only one level with the referral program! It's not a pyramid scheme! Show me how this is a pyramid scheme in your infinite wisdom! Give me the math and diagrams, whatever you might have. What am I missing here? It's obviously something! Either that or you're just really, really fucking wrong, lol.  

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Actually the larger the pyramid is, the harder it is to build. Did you even think for a moment before you typed that? Or were you just in a rush to "sick own" this "lying agenda scum"?
    Whew, look in the mirror, to be a pyramid type effort it requires more than 1 layer, hence the moniker multi level marketing.

    Even if MLM it is not necessarily a pyramid scheme if there is a product to sell and the primary customers are not members of the pyramid itself.

    These are real definitions, you can look them up, US Gov't is one of the defining sources.

    It most definitely is a referral program which promises to pay cash (someday) rather than just sub time or other in game rewards.


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  • SwordeBeemeLordSwordeBeemeLord Member Posts: 25
    I already explained how it's a pyramid once before, so I'm not going to repeat myself.
    Like you guys often say "The information is there, if you're too lazy to find it, then that's not my problem"
    Phaserlight
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,585
    Kyleran said:


    It most definitely is a referral program which promises to pay cash (someday) rather than just sub time or other in game rewards.


    Since the Kickstarter Pledges are one time things and apparently had to be kept separate from the subscriptions I am assuming there is no need to wait for launch to see the payouts.   Hope a fan can confirm that.

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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    CrazKanuk has gone full-Erillion for Ashes. 

    The best thing to do for insane kickstarter supporters is not to try to explain to them why a project doesn't look promising or that it may be a scam or whatever. The best thing to do is to encourage them to put more of their money in. 

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Rusque said:
    CrazKanuk has gone full-Erillion for Ashes. 

    The best thing to do for insane kickstarter supporters is not to try to explain to them why a project doesn't look promising or that it may be a scam or whatever. The best thing to do is to encourage them to put more of their money in. 


    Not true, check the other thread my friend!

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