Which Fantasy Sandbox Game? - Garrett Fuller - MMORPG.com

SBFord · August 2017

Which Fantasy Sandbox Game? - Garrett Fuller - MMORPG.com

This past week we were introduced to Citadel: Forged in Fire. The game heralds a survival style game with wizards, melee, spells, and dragons. It is a solid entry into the genre that has been around for a while and done extremely well among MMO fans. There are other in the genre that have also done very well. Conan Exiles has been fantastic for Funcom and yet still more may be on the way.

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Octagon7711 · August 2017

Enjoyed the article and agree with most of the points. It's nice to see they listen and have PvE servers as well as single player servers. Citadel and D&L are enjoyable and I look forward to even more variety from mods.

This is what people have been asking for. No hand holding. Just throwing you out in the world with no arrows to point the way. Just chat filled with constant questions. :-)

SEANMCAD · August 2017

I dont think 'Survival' is over done, but I do think 'Fantasy' is

Octagon7711 · August 2017

I think survival is over done. After all every game is basically about survival, no matter what the setting.

SEANMCAD · August 2017

Octagon7711 said:

I think survival is over done. After all every game is basically about survival, no matter what the setting.

you dont think Fantasy is though?

intresting

how about quest based fighting systems? overdone?

Viper482 · August 2017

SEANMCAD said:

I dont think 'Survival' is over done, but I do think 'Fantasy' is

It's only overdone if you don't like it. I can't get enough of it personally. Perspective...

Elvoc · August 2017

I played both Citadel and D&L and I really just cant get into the survival needs, it almost takes to much away from the other gameplay. Also I really enjoy Citadel right now, played Solo on D&L and private PVE server on Citadel and there are just too many bugs and issues with D&L right now. Citadel has been a lot more stable and enjoyable. I refunded D&L and probably wont pick it up later unless they make several large leaps during EA.

SEANMCAD · August 2017

Viper482 said:

SEANMCAD said:

I dont think 'Survival' is over done, but I do think 'Fantasy' is

It's only overdone if you don't like it. I can't get enough of it personally. Perspective...

this is just a hunch. My hunch is that people who 'dont like it' have never tried it.

but to be fair, if something doesnt see it compelling then there isnt a good reason to suggest someone should try it so all fair.

Sovrath · August 2017

SEANMCAD said:

Octagon7711 said:

I think survival is over done. After all every game is basically about survival, no matter what the setting.

you dont think Fantasy is though?

intresting

how about quest based fighting systems? overdone?

Personally I don't only because I tend to lose interest in science fiction games unless they are the 4x games or something like X-Com. I like reading good science fiction or going to see any sci-fi movie but playing a sci-fi game usually ends up with my interest petering out.

Same with Post Apocalyptic games. I'm still playing/modding Skyrim but I just can't get more than a few hours in the Fallout games.

So I'm good with them continuing the fantasy games. I'm assuming others love it just as much which is why we have so many.

SEANMCAD · August 2017

Sovrath said:

SEANMCAD said:

Octagon7711 said:

I think survival is over done. After all every game is basically about survival, no matter what the setting.

you dont think Fantasy is though?

intresting

how about quest based fighting systems? overdone?

Personally I don't only because I tend to lose interest in science fiction games unless they are the 4x games or something like X-Com. I like reading good science fiction or going to see any sci-fi movie but playing a sci-fi game usually ends up with my interest petering out.

Same with Post Apocalyptic games. I'm still playing/modding Skyrim but I just can't get more than a few hours in the Fallout games.

So I'm good with them continuing the fantasy games. I'm assuming others love it just as much which is why we have so many.

fascinating.

For me I grew up with Fantasy and I am really bored with it now. I want to move on and not just to sci-fi either but reality, historical old west, near science, steam punk, post apocalyptic, water etc

for me round about 30 years of fantasy genre is more than enough thank you

Octagon7711 · August 2017

SEANMCAD said:

Octagon7711 said:

I think survival is over done. After all every game is basically about survival, no matter what the setting.

you dont think Fantasy is though?

intresting

how about quest based fighting systems? overdone?

Like someone else said I really like fantasy, it was the start of the D&D games that got me into it. Love quest based & exploration also, can't get enough when it's well done. I find eating and drinking to not die tedious. Works better as buffs for me.

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SEANMCAD · August 2017

blueturtle13 said:

30 years of fantasy gaming and I can't get enough. Mainly because very very few have ever done it right by my taste.

there really is two things I dont understand. The first one I think everyone is grasping just fine but the second part I need to make more clear.

1. if you like something a whole lot it can go on forever, which is fine. Although in specific to fantasy genre for as long as I played it, its something I dont full grasp or really even believe HOWEVER, I do understand the concept of liking something so much you can do it forever.

2. number 2 is different then number 1 and I hope everyone can draw the difference in what I am about to try and explain. To do something every weekend for 30 years (like play video games!) and have an awesome time doing it is great, but to call something you dont like 'over done' even though said thing has only been prevalent for about 3 years is attaching a random inaccurate negitive to something just for the sake of expression. It would be better to say 'I dont like such games' rather than to say 'its over done' when what you do has been the same for 10x times longer. The problem I have is when people dont like something they throw any random negative they can come up with at it and consider it valid and if anyone questions it they are seen as trying to be combative. I dont have an issue with people not liking certian games (ok that is not fair I do) but what bothers me more is attaching inaccurate negatives to it just for the sake of expressing something that is not directly related to that statement but rather that they dont like something.

I hope number 2 becomes clear and not offensive to anyone because I am not writting it to be as such.

Phry · August 2017

So many survival games, tbh whenever i hear of a new one coming out, i don't think to myself 'oh i have to try it' but more of a 'another one already?' everyone seems to be making the things now, and they are just so much sameness, nothing really even all that interesting, so unless its an actual MMO, and i don't think of these survival games as being MMO's at all, then its hard to be interested in them, its like the games TB talks about at the end of his cooptional podcast, 'survival game yada yada, next.'

Shaigh · August 2017

Conan exiles might have sold well but activity dropped 90% within 3 months compared to launch month, average reviews the last 30 days is at 45% positive which is extremely low. Launch numbers for dark & light and citadel: forged in fire are much lower and reviews aren't exactly stellar.

Fantasy survival sandboxes has to do far more than just launch to make them fantasy substitute to the most popular games in the genre like Ark and Rust, right now they aren't even close to good enough.

SEANMCAD · August 2017

Phry said:

So many survival games, tbh whenever i hear of a new one coming out, i don't think to myself 'oh i have to try it' but more of a 'another one already?' everyone seems to be making the things now, and they are just so much sameness, nothing really even all that interesting, so unless its an actual MMO, and i don't think of these survival games as being MMO's at all, then its hard to be interested in them, its like the games TB talks about at the end of his cooptional podcast, 'survival game yada yada, next.'

what I am fascinated by is people saying that and yet I see it as the EXACT opposite.
When I see another fantasy quest based killing games I think (I played this 10 years ago and yet another!)
When I see FPS shooter game number 10 I think (I played this 10 years ago and yet another!)

People actually very literally playing a fantasy based RPG, following a quest to go kill something like they have been doing exactly for 10 years complaining about there being too many survial games.

it baffles me

Siris23 · August 2017

Get back to me when one of them actually releases, I not paying for the privilege to be a tester.

ChromeBallz · August 2017

I had serious problems telling Ark, Conan Exiles, Citadel and D&L apart. They're almost exactly the same game over and over. And the game isn't even that good to begin with.

It's mindboggling how many utterly bad game design decisions made it into each one of them.

ghoulas · August 2017

I always see and hear the same story over and over again. My friend cry that current games lack challenge that they want full loot perma death and when a game like that actually releases they play 2-3 weeks and get back to the standard fantasy MMORPG trademill. I'm on the other side being honest with myself. I dont want to lose anything I worked for i don't like to loose time to get something again cause some hot-head killed me. Still I see massive group of people playing standard games and whining they are to easy. People need to be honest with themselves and move to the genre they like and don;;t flood the current released MMO's.

SEANMCAD · August 2017

ChromeBallz said:

I had serious problems telling Ark, Conan Exiles, Citadel and D&L apart. They're almost exactly the same game over and over. And the game isn't even that good to begin with.

It's mindboggling how many utterly bad game design decisions made it into each one of them.

really? but Wow and EQ2 are a treasure trove of compelling game play that is radically different from each other? hmmm

SEANMCAD · August 2017

Octagon7711 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Octagon7711 said:

I think survival is over done. After all every game is basically about survival, no matter what the setting.

you dont think Fantasy is though?

intresting

how about quest based fighting systems? overdone?

Like someone else said I really like fantasy, it was the start of the D&D games that got me into it. Love quest based & exploration also, can't get enough when it's well done. I find eating and drinking to not die tedious. Works better as buffs for me.

see but there is a huge difference between what you are saying and what I am saying

'X is fun and I do it forever' (i get that)
'Y is overdone' (which is more 'done a lot of' X or Y? well X is but you just called Y overdone because you dont like it. You just applied a random negative to something that is factualy easy to disprove simply because you dont like it. It would have been better to say 'Y is not overdone I just dont like it'

You dont want to be the guy who is sitting behind his computer doing yet another fantasy quest that is basically exactly the same as it has been for 20 years complaining that 'survial games' are 'over done' regardless of how much fun you are having with it because that image is asine

Tsiya · August 2017

Solo survival seems to suit me the best right now. I didn't get into the zombie thing but I've played the heck out of Ark and got into Conan a bit but there's just not that much content for it right now. I'm waiting to buy into D&L and Citadel, I love me some high fantasy but both are still too beta for me. I'll pick one of them up when a clear winner shows its head. I'm still an MMoer at heart but I need a game I can pause.

KnightFalz · August 2017

The survival game genre is bustling at the moment, for sure. Whether they are being overdone is entirely a matter of personal perspective and opinion.

Back in the old days all MMORPGs were survival games compared to the modern fare, in that it was much more difficult to survive in standard play such that teaming was needed even overland, and everything else was generally deeper and took more time and effort as well.

Perhaps this genre is meant to bring back that same sort of feel one could get from playing in those days, but without as much needed time for progress back then, in recognition that most players can't or won't devote as much time and effort to advance as they once did.

voltt · August 2017

i think when someone blends the mmorpg and the sandbox survival just right we'll have something great. I do enjoy a lot of the survival games coming out i own most of them, they are definitely not for everyone. I love the sandbox part of the survival games just not enough content, these games i think rely to much on the players making there own end game content ie pvp . I hope that someone will get it just right eventually

DavodtheTutt · August 2017

To me, the "sandbox" games I've seen are basically the same as the "theme park" games, with more choices. They don't feel like a real sandbox, a virtual world where everything is something you might use if you try. I haven't seen a game yet that does justice to fishing, farming, mining, and crafting.

Haven't found a MMORPG yet where intelligence is a big factor. I got my hopes up when I read about the Asura in Guild Wars 2, but it turns out they're just pretentious bumblers who seem to have managed to create some high-tech stuff in spite of themselves, and the gameplay is just as mindless as it is with the other species. There was a game called Tabula Rasa that was aiming at having a role for intellectual players, doing actual translation of a pictographic written language and such, but I think it died after a short run on European servers.

I do have some hopes for future games, but it may be quite a while yet...

Loke666 · August 2017

SEANMCAD said:

I dont think 'Survival' is over done, but I do think 'Fantasy' is

If you are talking about copies of Forgotten realms I agree. There are other variants we have little of though, like low fantasy (AoC tried but ended up being closer to high fantasy for instance).

Fantasy is a rather broad term and includes everything from something rather close to historical to very high fantasy with cloud cities and loads of magic everywhere. Also, the settings we seen in MMOs so far usually are based in European and Asian themes but there are a lot of other possibilities.

I don't think survival is overdone, heck, I don't think it really is done good enough yet and have a lot of room for improvement but it may be that too many games based on it got released in a too short time.

It certainly wouldn't hurt if devs tried out more different settings instead of making another of what everyone else is doing at the moment. We often get a lot of competition on rather specific gameplay while we get nothing of another until someone suddenly decides it will be popular.

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