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Okay WTF is a MMO? Really?
klash2def
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Watching vids on Destiny 2 (im hype yes I know) and I keep seeing the same argument on each comment section.. " FFS DESTINY IS NOT A MMO!"
Well, considering the defintion for MMO upon a basic google of the acronym here is what I found..
MMO
So if Destiny: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space
and if MMO: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space
Then how is Destiny NOT an MMO? I think the term MMO needs to be redefined for the current generation of games because people are still trying to apply a old system to new games which said rules no longer apply.
SO in 2017 what do we consider a MMO if Destiny isnt one? Just curious?
Well, considering the defintion for MMO upon a basic google of the acronym here is what I found..
MMO
noun
- an online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously
and if MMO: Raids, Guilds, Loot Drops, Dailies, Heroics, Weekly, Shared Open Space
Then how is Destiny NOT an MMO? I think the term MMO needs to be redefined for the current generation of games because people are still trying to apply a old system to new games which said rules no longer apply.
SO in 2017 what do we consider a MMO if Destiny isnt one? Just curious?
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Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
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Simple test ... lets play .. One of These things is not like the other..
1.UO 2.Destiny 3.BDO 4.SWG
Tell me which one is different and give the most signifigant reason why
and again
1. Destiny 2. Call of Duty 3.EQ 4.Ark
These are rhetorical questions of course .. We all know which is different and why ...
The problem we have is developers began sometime 2007 or so labeling there Multi player games as MMO/RPGs when they werent , to get to/appeal to a broader younger audience (ill add more gullible and easily suggestive audience also )
Convoluting the phrase MMORPG to entire generation of gamers , I could take a dam condom , poke a hole in it and sell it as a condom , But the smart kids know its not doing what was intended to do , Just like games like LOL,Destiny ,Ark etc .. arent doing what an MMORPG was/is intended to do ...
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The term MMO was created to specifically refer games that had huge worlds or areas that the entire server population shares, games like WoW or EQ or DaoC or SWG or other real MMORPGs. Destiny is an online multiplayer game with RPG elements, not an MMO, and I would be thankful if everyone stopped referring to it as an MMO just for the sake of making it more "appealing" to a certain crowd, that has absolutely no interest in the type of game Destiny is.
To most people, 'MMOs' are a genre, which is utterly retarded. RPGs are a genre, shooters are a genre, 'Massively Multiplayer' is not a freaking genre. Platforms like Steam and websites like this one are confusing the hell out of people, and I'm pretty sure it's done on purpose.
On the sad side, this place probably don't need me to "crusade" this discussion anymore. Kudos!!!
and what *is* a MMO? Is Destiny 2 a MMO?
a) The game list on this site classifies it as a "MMOFPS".
b) The OP seems to think so.
c) Lots of MMO definition police/crusaders came out strong with their condemnation.
Interesting! Let's the game continues!
There are a few other requirements as well such as persistent worlds etc. but i think those are the main ones.
Sadly this is what devs think a MMO is,a simple login screen to allow many to login then a pile of instances and cash shops to support the online part.
Not sure who these type of devs think they are fooling but it is not this guy.
Make me a plausible,MAKES SENSE MMO and i am all over it,i will play it for years,otherwise,i 'll keep down rating all the rubbish out there and there is a load of rubbish out there.
Thank god for crowd funding,now we get an even more overload of crappy devs that think they can make a triple A mmo.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
It is a free world. There is no such thing as "suppose to be". Devs can make anything, and call them as they see fit (and they do). Websites can classify games as they see fit (and they do).
There is really very little you can do about it. Ranting on a forum may make you feel somewhat righteous and certainly you will pat yourself on your back about your superior ability to parse the simple two words "massively multiplayer".
But after years, WoT is still classified as an action MMO here. Destiny 2, a new game, is classified as a MMOFPS here. Some reviewers (you can check metacritics) still call WoT a MMO. So may be you are not working hard enough to educate these people of what MMO is "supposed" to be?
It's a free world (that's up for a debate though), not the free world of nariusseldon :P
In fact, i specifically said "Ranting on a forum may make you feel somewhat righteous and certainly you will pat yourself on your back about your superior ability to parse the simple two words "massively multiplayer"." ... implying that it is of value to them to do so.
However, it is certainly fair to point out that their opinions would not change the world.
In fact, didn't i always encourage people to speak up? Without their opinions, there is no fun "flogging the horse" discussions here.
And you certainly miss the core logic of my post. If it is a free world, how can i restrict anyone for posting anything? If you want, i can give you a logic 101 lession. It is a free world, i suspect that you probably would not want to correct your deficiency in logical reasoning. But of course, it is entirely up to you.
Here is what Cambridge dictionary say:
massive adjective
UK /ˈmæs.ɪv/ US /ˈmæs.ɪv/B2 very large in size, amount, or number:
And it is number we are talking not size.
Destiny do have 16 as max players, is that right? (don't play myself so it could be more or less).
Is 16 a very large number of players?
Every bloody FPS game today have that many or more so I would say it is average, not very large.
Therefore is Destiny not a MMO and neither is Diablo 3. Any FPS game with 128 players on the other hand do qualify since that is indeed a very large number, like Joint Ops.
Opinions can change the world. The world of mankind is shaped from opinions. You might think they don't matter at all since we are on a small forums.
But I think the staff here actually care about the opinions. They read them, and engage in conversation. Opinions make them think, review their own and sometimes change it.
These mmorpg.com, they don't have the highest hits, but have influence, their name has an influence. They can affect where it's out of reach of us members. And like ripples in a coy pound, they can make a change.
Opinions matter, and they can possibly change the world.
Regarding devs who slap MMO on every title, I fall back on the wisdom of the Marx Bros., "Who you gonna believe? Your own eyes or me?"
But everything is online and multiplayer nowadays. And the term Massively has always been a tricky one, depending on how MMO's use multiple instances of the same region/city etc. Or instanced maps etc.
You should look at what matters to you instead.
Is it a persistent world?
Does it have classes or does it use a skillsystem?
Is it tab based combat, or fps style combat?
What kind of PVP?
What theme etc etc etc
Whether it can be officially classified as MMO is kind of moot nowadays. Just find an online game that floats your boat.
Surely, it is your freedom to believe "opinions can change the world". I am more of the camp that looks at evidence. For instance, people have been yelling bloody murder about how the label of MMO is used yearS ago. Certainly those opinions do not change the classification of games on this, and other websites, and certainly not how superdata segment their data.
Do you disagree with these facts? We are not talking about opinions changing politics or other matters. We are talking about the use of the label MMO in this topic.
If the traditional kind of MMOs are not selling, no amount of playing with the labels will make them selling again. The devs are not going to suddenly change their game design just because the label is miss-used.