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A Great Message on MMORPGs
SirAgravaine
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I bear no credit for this video. This may have been posted before, but is worth posting again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTHsll9LFZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTHsll9LFZ4
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Stupid rant like any other.
I may be wrong, but I assume you didn't listen to the entire video?
Not really sure what you mean here? The "cash in" crowd is not very different from our current generation of successful MMORPGs: ESO, FFXIV, and SWTOR to name a few. Isn't that the purpose of this site? I didn't realize it was for anything else but complaining about MMORPGs. If I am mistaken about this, perhaps the mods should scrub the forums down to the 1% of remaining threads that do not feature complaining.
The, "all MMORPG developers are just cashing in," crowd was popular for a while. There are some people that view the MMORPG scene this way today (like you). The issue I have with this analysis after looking back through the history of it isn't that there weren't a lot of games that mimicked WoW, it was that the people had no real answer to it. Because a lot of games did mimic WoW.
However, creating a game like EQ or UO would have bombed hard. The arguments are arguments of passion and not based in reality. There is no doubt that there is an audience for, say, a modernized EQ1 that used the old design with new graphics/animations/gameplay. But it's tiny these days.
The reason these old MMORPGs are not made any longer is because the audience for them is too small. It's not because of WoW. To blame WoW for people not liking the games you like is sophomoric at best.
@BeansnBread I'm thinking you didn't finish the video either? Maybe I should have typed up a transcript? The narrator's argument is that the genre is stagnant because it has followed the same recipe over and over again, using slightly different ingredients here and there. What he is arguing is that developers should start focusing on how the game feels (tastes, for our food analogy), instead of the features (ingredients).
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sad.
@sayuu Every once in awhile I read a seemingly ignorant comment, and I give that person the benefit of the doubt (as I did with you). Beyond that, I'm not sure how else to appease you, as you seem to be trolling, maybe?
Also, just a random thought that is inconsequential to the discussion topic...but your comments gave me an interest into how long you have been frequenting this site. I tend to check everyone's "date" to see how long people have been around every once in awhile. I suppose I am just a lurker, because my color is still "green" (does that make me new or inexperienced)? There aren't too many forum-goers that still frequent the site that have been lurking as long as I have. Maybe everyone forgot their old account info? Does that make me more responsible? Maybe no one liked this site, and frequented other sites? Who knows. *shug*
@delete5230 I saw that it was old, but still relevant (albeit perhaps already viewed by many people on this forum). I miss playing online with new people, I believe social media is part to blame for the novelty of online communication wearing off. Also, as there are still innovative games coming out and technology is still advancing, it is arguable that not everything has been done before.
. . .interesting.
MMORPGs are the sum of their parts, moreso than other genres so yes the argument being made is valid.
Where I feel the genre really went off track was when it turned away from its one real advantage over others, providing the opportunity to interact with and affect (for both good and bad) other players.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Literally the first sentence and I stopped watching there.
Someone should teach you the difference between "a great message" and a shit piece of opinion.
Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.
"At one point technology meant making tech that could get to the moon, now it means making tech that could get you a taxi."
If your standards are so low that nothing matters,then go ahead,keep supporting these rich developers.
We al accepted the early games because we had limited tech,limited knowledge but there is NO excuse anymore,we are just seeing what happens when a TREND ,a precedent is set,then every developers copies it.
Example ..Crowd Funding,most devs have jumped on this bandwagon,why not FREE money,tons of suckers out there willing to hand over free money.
Then the really sad games that THINK all i care about is some character sliders.In case THOSE devs have brain lock,i'll let them in on a secret,a slider does NOT a role playing game make.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The difference is I won't make a thread of it to label it "A Great Message" just to show an endless rant from 2015.
In my opinion, as another random internet muppet, some MMOs are better than others, some MMOs are worse than others, saying all MMOs out there suck, is bollocks.
As long as the people playing an MMO, any MMO, are having fun, then for those people, that MMO is GOOD, maybe even GREAT, you personally not liking that MMO, does not change that, and it certainly does not mean it sucks.
Which, let's be fair if we judge every MMO on that basis they're all terrible as virtual worlds.
Blaming WoW for why MMO's suck today is nonsense. MMO's aren't even a genre.
It's like claiming all single player games suck because of Fallout 4.
MMO's can be anything. They don't have to be virtual worlds you'd want to live in.
Also, the variety of MMO's I can choose to play today is a lot better than the past.