Collections

Amathe · December 2017

Some games allow you to have collections of various tchotchkes you can pick up as you explore; e.g., different colored gems, leaves, shells, etc.

EQ2 had a really nice system that allowed you to "trade in" your collections for rewards (not awesome items, but something).

In Pantheon, this could dovetail with the perception system, where increased perception could make it possible to find the more rare items in a collection.

Anyone think this would be worthwhile?

waynejr2 · December 2017

That works. I always thought it would be to have collections add to your character's "social status" within the world.

Sovrath · December 2017

I never did the collections thing as it seemed like busy work.

I'd be more interested in having the perception system find items with lore stories (sort of like shadow of mordor) or maybe a map or a key that would help drive exploration.

Mendel · December 2017

Collections? Another idea regurgitated from old games. Instead of development work put into other minor trivial systems, let them invest in something more original, more innovative. Have collections been announced as a feature for Pantheon, because this is the first I recall seeing this.

I'm with @Sorvath here; collections are nothing more than busy work, a diversion to keep me from focusing on other in-game goals.

Amathe · December 2017

Mendel said:

... a diversion to keep me from focusing on other in-game goals.

Some folks like a diversion now and then.

cheyane · December 2017

If you do not have an interest in collections than don't do it. I personally loved doing it in Everquest 2 and I would not mind something like that. I enjoyed opening up my collection page to see what collections I had completed and even traded for some of the rarer pieces. It was a fun thing to look forward to each time I went to a new zone and often I stayed longer in one palce just to complete a collection.

Wizardry · December 2017

I would like to see collections used in secret ideas.Problem of course is data miners ruin everything.

Example trade a seashell to a certain npc that you realized through conversations would be a good choice and that NPC grants you something,like perhaps fights alongside for 4 hours or will grant you some boons like maybe +5crafting skill etc etc.

The result of the collections in EQ2 was obvious,i like to see some ideas to discover with your collections.Like maybe even a choice to hand in for a reward or to keep to combine later with other collections,perhaps different npc's give different rewards instead of one npc to hand in to.

svann · December 2017

Collections always seemed to me to be anti-lore. Its like: lets just drop some random crap here and there and over there and players have to run around to pick it up. No reason for it to be there and no real purpose to the bits except that you pick them up and you get xp. My vote is no.

edit: Id be for it if it wasnt so damn vanilla. Make the collection give you a new spell or something. Not another 1k xp.

Dagon13 · December 2017

cheyane said:

If you do not have an interest in collections than don't do it. I personally loved doing it in Everquest 2 and I would not mind something like that. I enjoyed opening up my collection page to see what collections I had completed and even traded for some of the rarer pieces. It was a fun thing to look forward to each time I went to a new zone and often I stayed longer in one palce just to complete a collection.

Collections were my thing in EQ2. I'd say it was one of my primary activities as it played well into farming the "named" rare spawns for mastery books(and also farming solo players, yay Nagafen). I was probably the number one supplier of "shinies", as we called them. It helped to be a bruiser as I could feign death through hard to reach places or otherwise muscle my way through harder content that others could not.

Man this takes me back, but I've moved on from dedicating 13 hours a day to a game.

Dullahan · December 2017

I didn't care for collections in EQ2. I don't mind collecting an item for a reason, but the idea of it being instituted as some form of gameplay is cringeworthy and representative of just how far off the path SOE strayed with EQ2.

Soki123 · December 2017

Dullahan said:

I didn't care for collections in EQ2. I don't mind collecting an item for a reason, but the idea of it being instituted as some form of gameplay is cringeworthy and representative of just how far off the path SOE strayed with EQ2.

Lol, did you know how the collections in EQ2 worked. Obviously not. They all had a reason.

Zindaihas · December 2017

So I detailed in my "trace the decline of MMOs" thread (which has been mysteriously resurrected) how I did not think much of EQ2 when I played it. One thing I do remember about it now was the housing feature and how I decorated my residence with various weapons I collected throughout my wanderings. I'm not sure if that's what we're talking about here, I do vaguely remember trinket collections that you could turn in as well (apparently not all that memorable).

On the room decorations feature, I thought it was neat, but it served no real purpose other than it being a form of eye-candy. I think it was just put In there as a time filler. You couldn't really do much with it other than stand in your room and look at it. I don't really care if they put something like that in Pantheon. My approval of the game is not going to rise or fall on that. If they add a really super-cool awesome collection feature to the game, but the gameplay itself sucks, I won't be around long to collect much.

By the same token if the gameplay totally rocks and they add a collection option that is somewhat bland, I'll still play the game and leave the collecting to others.

Sovrath · December 2017

Zindaihas said:

So I detailed in my "trace the decline of MMOs" thread (which has been mysteriously resurrected) how I did not think much of EQ2 when I played it. One thing I do remember about it now was the housing feature and how I decorated my residence with various weapons I collected throughout my wanderings. I'm not sure if that's what we're talking about here, I do vaguely remember trinket collections that you could turn in as well (apparently not all that memorable).
On the room decorations feature, I thought it was neat, but it served no real purpose other than it being a form of eye-candy. I think it was just put In there as a time filler. You couldn't really do much with it other than stand in your room and look at it. I don't really care if they put something like that in Pantheon. My approval of the game is not going to rise or fall on that. If they add a really super-cool awesome collection feature to the game, but the gameplay itself sucks, I won't be around long to collect much.
By the same token if the gameplay totally rocks and they add a collection option that is somewhat bland, I'll still play the game and leave the collecting to others.

But housing does have a purpose. At least if one can appreciate the purpose.

It anchors your character to the world, it gives you a place to be, a place to come back to and store/exhibit items from your adventures. If done well it can be an example of self expression depending on how you exhibit/display your items.

It essentially gives you roots.

Gyva02 · December 2017

Fat Grubs and Goliath Beetles always paid for my lowbie items

I did like the EQ2 system for something else to do if you wanted but I didn't like how it always clogged up my bags... If I remember right if you got enough of the collections done then you got a set of glasses that allowed you to see a different color shiny for even more collections to be had! lol...

Dullahan · December 2017

Soki123 said:

Dullahan said:

I didn't care for collections in EQ2. I don't mind collecting an item for a reason, but the idea of it being instituted as some form of gameplay is cringeworthy and representative of just how far off the path SOE strayed with EQ2.

Lol, did you know how the collections in EQ2 worked. Obviously not. They all had a reason.

Sorry, I don't consider collecting ground spawns just to "complete the set" to be a valid reason.

Xthos · December 2017

I have never been a collection guy, but I know people that love this type of stuff, so I think it would be good to have some stuff like that (I don't think it usually takes a lot of coding time). If a mmo had non-instanced housing and some cool/rare stuff to decorate your house with, I would be more likely to do those, but more of a thing over time, I never get blinded by that type of thing, it would be something I would do when I only had 10-30 minutes to play, and couldn't do something bigger.

svann · December 2017

Maybe collecting could be implemented in a good way, but shinies on the ground is bullshit.

Wizardry · December 2017

A very long time ago when i was a young kid,i lifted up an old wooden set of stairs in the back of the house we lived in.I found several very old coins,i almost immediately became a coin collector,i was so excited to see these old coins that i had never seen before from both Canada,Britain and the States.
Point being that collecting can be fun,how about as kids we collected Hockey cards or baseball cards,some people collect Star Wars figurines or action heroes,collecting has a spot in many people's lives.

However,along the same lines as poster above,a pile of sparkling shinies on the ground,constantly spawning is not a good way to do it.They should be rare and tucked away just about anywhere and not in a constant predictable spot.

I could go for an idea using an example...the Faberge Eggs,legendary craftsmen make a dozen or so for a King,are sold and perhaps end up anywhere on some NPC or something.Example a mob kills you and takes some of your items,that item might go forever lost unless someone kills that Orc or Giant.
There is so much that can be done in games if the developer is willing to put in some thought and create separate code for ideas rather than TEMPLATE game design.

Mendel · December 2017

svann said:

Maybe collecting could be implemented in a good way, but shinies on the ground is bullshit.

Where's the crew complaining that shinies on the ground breaks immersion? That is the one case where I'd be inclined to agree with them.

Zindaihas · December 2017

Sovrath said:

But housing does have a purpose. At least if one can appreciate the purpose.

It anchors your character to the world, it gives you a place to be, a place to come back to and store/exhibit items from your adventures. If done well it can be an example of self expression depending on how you exhibit/display your items.

It essentially gives you roots.

I'm not against housing at all. Even if it serves no purpose, at worst it's a neutral feature. It was collections I was skeptical of (but still not against). It all depends on how it's implemented. If you're going to put housing in an MMO, it would be nice if they served some purpose. Perhaps integrate them into a quest or two. In the most intense scenario, you might have to defend it in a Realm vs. Realm MMO (although RvRs are usually not my cup of tea).

Gyva02 · December 2017

Mendel said:

svann said:

Maybe collecting could be implemented in a good way, but shinies on the ground is bullshit.

Where's the crew complaining that shinies on the ground breaks immersion? That is the one case where I'd be inclined to agree with them.

Agreed a bright shining beacon like in eq2 is not the way to do it, but a very hard to see oak bark or evergreen leaf like they did in eq1 is. the things were just a few pixels on the ground and damn near blended in with the ground itself. Had to really be hunting to see them. The classes that got ultravision had an little easier time finding them.

Thunder073 · December 2017

Stupid. hope its not in game.

svann · December 2017

Gyva02 said:

Mendel said:

svann said:

Maybe collecting could be implemented in a good way, but shinies on the ground is bullshit.

Where's the crew complaining that shinies on the ground breaks immersion? That is the one case where I'd be inclined to agree with them.

Agreed a bright shining beacon like in eq2 is not the way to do it, but a very hard to see oak bark or evergreen leaf like they did in eq1 is. the things were just a few pixels on the ground and damn near blended in with the ground itself. Had to really be hunting to see them. The classes that got ultravision had an little easier time finding them.

I think you are misremembering. There were a few hard to find items, but they werent collections they were quest items. EQ1 collections are shinies.

Curt2013 · December 2017

Imo would rather have the devs spend the resources on creating more armor / weapon graphics or tbh anything else....

Gyva02 · December 2017

svann said:

Gyva02 said:

Mendel said:

svann said:

Maybe collecting could be implemented in a good way, but shinies on the ground is bullshit.

Where's the crew complaining that shinies on the ground breaks immersion? That is the one case where I'd be inclined to agree with them.

Agreed a bright shining beacon like in eq2 is not the way to do it, but a very hard to see oak bark or evergreen leaf like they did in eq1 is. the things were just a few pixels on the ground and damn near blended in with the ground itself. Had to really be hunting to see them. The classes that got ultravision had an little easier time finding them.

I think you are misremembering. There were a few hard to find items, but they werent collections they were quest items. EQ1 collections are shinies.

There were no collections in EQ1 or at least classic EQ1. No idea if they added a collection system later in the game, but below are pics of what I was referring too. Yes the items in EQ1 were quest or crafting items, they were much much harder to find than the EQ2 shiny. If a collection system was implemented it should be a challenge and thus use the harder to find style that EQ1 did for its ground spawns.

EQ2 Shiny

EQ1 Evergreen Leaf way zoomed in, at standing/running height they were very difficult to see.

Image: http://forums.mmorpg.com/uploads/editor/vb/xeqs0tgcb8mf.png

shetlandslarsen · December 2017

I really like collections both in EQ2 and Rift so i would like if they make it in the game.

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