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Crytek Filing Lawsuit Against CIG

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Did CIG just slam dunk Crytek? i think they did ;)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7S0vzaBTeA
    with thanks to Leonard French, who is certainly my favourite copywrite lawyer :p
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  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    Yeah seems that French dude is doing a great job of telling backers soothing words about the lawsuit for donations.
    Totally not a cult lol
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    kikoodutroa8 said:
    Yeah seems that French dude is doing a great job of telling backers soothing words about the lawsuit for donations.
    Totally not a cult lol
    If anything it highlights just how many people would rather hate on CIG than accept that they might actually be in the right. :/
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  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    kikoodutroa8 said:
    Yeah seems that French dude is doing a great job of telling backers soothing words about the lawsuit for donations.
    Totally not a cult lol
    I'm confused, what connection does this guy have to CIG and in what way is he doing it "for donations"?

    The guy has been doing these types of videos for the past year or so, this isn't exclusively done for SC. Based on he's channel it seems he makes videos talking about any lawsuits in the gaming industry and other industries.

    My point is, his video's on this could have gone either way and he has noting to gain from saying they're in the right or wrong.


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  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    Phry said:
    kikoodutroa8 said:
    Yeah seems that French dude is doing a great job of telling backers soothing words about the lawsuit for donations.
    Totally not a cult lol
    If anything it highlights just how many people would rather hate on CIG than accept that they might actually be in the right. :/
    How so???
    MaxBacon
  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    And what with the "hate on CIG"?
    Do you actually have feelings like love and hate towards game companies? Is that actually how you feel? Because that's awfully awkward and inappropriate, so please don't project that kind of weirdo stuff on me, tia.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    Herase said:
    kikoodutroa8 said:
    Yeah seems that French dude is doing a great job of telling backers soothing words about the lawsuit for donations.
    Totally not a cult lol
    I'm confused, what connection does this guy have to CIG and in what way is he doing it "for donations"?

    The guy has been doing these types of videos for the past year or so, this isn't exclusively done for SC. Based on he's channel it seems he makes videos talking about any lawsuits in the gaming industry and other industries.

    My point is, his video's on this could have gone either way and he has noting to gain from saying they're in the right or wrong.
    He's doing that Youtube channel to gain donations from Patrons and ad money.

    Lawyers education is about making convincing legal arguments for any side of the argument. Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, a lawyer must be able to make convincing arguments even for the side that he thinks is wrong.

    I don't think he would make pro-RSI videos if he though Crytek is going to win the case, being wrong would be bad for business. But if he thinks the lawsuit might go either way, he has financial incentive to lick Star Citizen fans' ass because those fans are famous for participating in crowdfunding, and he has university training to do that asslicking.

    I'm not saying that his opinion couldn't be his true and neutral opinion. Be he isn't really a trustworthy source.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    edited January 2018
    I think he's doing a fair job. He said he's leaning towards CIG but he also said it's still up to the judge to decide if there is enough of a case to go forward and he also mentioned he's seen cases proceed with less.  He also said he wouldn't be surprised over a settlement because it's very expensive to pour over all the coding to be used as possible evidence.  So he basically covered all the bases which seems fair.
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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,688
    Vrika said:
    Herase said:
    kikoodutroa8 said:
    Yeah seems that French dude is doing a great job of telling backers soothing words about the lawsuit for donations.
    Totally not a cult lol
    I'm confused, what connection does this guy have to CIG and in what way is he doing it "for donations"?

    The guy has been doing these types of videos for the past year or so, this isn't exclusively done for SC. Based on he's channel it seems he makes videos talking about any lawsuits in the gaming industry and other industries.

    My point is, his video's on this could have gone either way and he has noting to gain from saying they're in the right or wrong.
    He's doing that Youtube channel to gain donations from Patrons and ad money.

    Lawyers education is about making convincing legal arguments for any side of the argument. Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, a lawyer must be able to make convincing arguments even for the side that he thinks is wrong.

    I don't think he would make pro-RSI videos if he though Crytek is going to win the case, being wrong would be bad for business. But if he thinks the lawsuit might go either way, he has financial incentive to lick Star Citizen fans' ass because those fans are famous for participating in crowdfunding, and he has university training to do that asslicking.

    I'm not saying that his opinion couldn't be his true and neutral opinion. Be he isn't really a trustworthy source.
    He's also a backer of the game.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    That settles it. Next time I need a lawyer I'll pick one from YT.
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  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    edited February 2018
    Babuinix said:

    I am very astounded how rough the tone is in the USA on a simple Motion to Dismiss.
    And that they are laying so many cards on the table before it goes to court.

    In europe you file amotion to dismiss only for obvious stuff (accusations beyond a contract runtime (time) or my Wife put a spell on me (rather unlikely)). But Amerika seems to want a show for everything.

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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,688
    edited February 2018
    Babuinix said:

    I am very astounded how rough the tone is in the USA on a simple Motion to Dismiss.
    And that they are laying so many cards on the table before it goes to court.

    In europe you file amotion to dismiss only for obvious stuff (accusations beyond a contract runtime (time) or my Wife put a spell on me (rather unlikely)). But Amerika seems to want a show for everything.
    Normally American motions to dismiss are just like the Europe ones you described.  The type of response that is CiG's response is quite rare.

    The general theory is that CiG is taking this tone more for the sake of the backers and keeping up backer confidence (and thus, funding) than for the lawsuit.  Like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure FKKS gave up on the motion to dismiss succeeding a while ago already and just let CiG run with whatever they want for this response, because CiG's latest response almost literally says "COME AT ME, BRO!" in several places (at several points, they basically say "And we can prove it if this goes to court", etc), which is the OPPOSITE of what you're asking for when you ask for a motion to dismiss.
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  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    TiamatRoar said:
    Babuinix said:

    I am very astounded how rough the tone is in the USA on a simple Motion to Dismiss.
    And that they are laying so many cards on the table before it goes to court.

    In europe you file amotion to dismiss only for obvious stuff (accusations beyond a contract runtime (time) or my Wife put a spell on me (rather unlikely)). But Amerika seems to want a show for everything.
    Normally American motions to dismiss are just like the Europe ones you described.  The type of response that is CiG's response is quite rare.

    The general theory is that CiG is taking this tone more for the sake of the backers and keeping up backer confidence (and thus, funding) than for the lawsuit.  Like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure FKKS gave up on the motion to dismiss succeeding a while ago already and just let CiG run with whatever they want for this response, because CiG's latest response almost literally says "COME AT ME, BRO!" in several places (at several points, they basically say "And we can prove it if this goes to court", etc), which is the OPPOSITE of what you're asking for when you ask for a motion to dismiss.
    Yes, all this drama seems to scream that it should not be dismissed, there is a case that needs to be taken care of.
    But the behaviour seems rather strange. If you are in the woods and a tree is about to fall on you you rather step aside than shouting "not nice" words at the tree (which may get you in trouble with the local ent society but bonus points for the lumberjack faction).
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    Yes, all this drama seems to scream that it should not be dismissed, there is a case that needs to be taken care of.
    But the behaviour seems rather strange. If you are in the woods and a tree is about to fall on you you rather step aside than shouting "not nice" words at the tree (which may get you in trouble with the local ent society but bonus points for the lumberjack faction).
    You seem to be under the impression that this case is currently more than a pissing contest.

    It's not. When Crytek filed the complaints with those direct accusations obviously generates bad press on CIG putting them under bad light; that then CIG counters it with the GLA that generates bad press for Crytek and puts them under bad light instead.

    With the how superficial some claims show to be, disputing terminology and context, the whole thing should continue being a pissing contest until the court settles their perception of those disputes.
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,465
    Uh, Max, terminology and context are what legal issues are all about.   And 'bad light' hurts CIG more, as their funding method is dependent on public presentation.    However, I don't think CIG really wants to go to discovery in a trial.  That 'bad light' could be much worse.

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  • penandpaperpenandpaper Member UncommonPosts: 174
    Um, I would think CIG would want to lose this.  This way when they finally put out an incomplete game, they can blame it on this lawsuit, and it depleting "important and necessary funds to create our vision."
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    Uh, Max, terminology and context are what legal issues are all about. 
    When we first saw Crytek's complaint saying things "they couldn't change engines" or "SQ42 wasn't allowed" mentioning the contract you would have expected the contract would have been implicit in saying they could not change the game engine, instead we have a superficial dispute over the exclusivity word meaning that as several legal people mentioned falls prey of the golden rule (the standard way of reading words in a contract). So when I say terminology and context I'm mentioning superficial complaints disputing what a word means.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited February 2018
    MaxBacon said:
    Uh, Max, terminology and context are what legal issues are all about. 
    When we first saw Crytek's complaint saying things "they couldn't change engines" or "SQ42 wasn't allowed" mentioning the contract you would have expected the contract would have been implicit in saying they could not change the game engine, instead we have a superficial dispute over the exclusivity word meaning that as several legal people mentioned falls prey of the golden rule (the standard way of reading words in a contract). So when I say terminology and context I'm mentioning superficial complaints disputing what a word means.
    The word you're looking for is "explicit" not "implicit' since you're saying it should have been spelled out unequivocally in detail.

    Contracts never are though. If they were not subject to interpretation there would never be a need for dispute resolution and that would probably reduce the need for lawyers and courts by about 98%... not a bad thing but that's not how the world works.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited February 2018
    <snip>  And 'bad light' hurts CIG more, as their funding method is dependent on public presentation.    However, I don't think CIG really wants to go to discovery in a trial.  That 'bad light' could be much worse.

    A part of CiG's "image" - for want of a better word - is open development.

    Settling without disclosing the terms - how will that go down. Settling on published terms will feed "told you so" type posts. Going to court would be clean; a judgement - whichever way it goes - would preserve their "image" for openess. It will all be out there!

    Going to court would also be a source of publicity if it makes news.

    So if it comes to it I think it will be off to court.

    Edit: discovery would work both ways of course.

      


  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    kikoodutroa8 said:
    And what with the "hate on CIG"?
    Do you actually have feelings like love and hate towards game companies? Is that actually how you feel? Because that's awfully awkward and inappropriate, so please don't project that kind of weirdo stuff on me, tia.

    You mentioned earlier "Totally not a cult, lol". So do you literally think that it's a cult? 

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  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    No, I only meant that some fans behave as if they were in one.
    Which is something you must have noticed too by now.
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,442
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,442
    edited February 2018
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says
    You mean exactly like what the haters do? :D
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