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One of WoW's First Level Designers to Explore the Making of World of Warcraft - World of Warcraft -

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited March 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageOne of WoW's First Level Designers to Explore the Making of World of Warcraft - World of Warcraft - MMORPG.com

World of Warcraft News - If you're fan of World of Warcraft, a new book in the works called "World of Warcraft Diary" may be of interest. The author named John Staats was one of the original level designers and someone who worked on WoW for 10 years. He will be providing readers with the inside story of the development of the biggest and most successful MMORPG ever made. In order to bring his book to fruition, Staats has started a KickStarter initiative to raise $400,000.

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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    I would think that vanilla fans and longtime WoW players would LOVE this. I'm going to get it for sure. :)
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  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Would be kinda neat to see how that sausage was made.

    I self identify as a monkey.

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Too bad he's not signing copies :(

    I'm backer #3

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,976
    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129


    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"



    You HONESTLY believe that game developers make millions? The companies they worked for, perhaps. But developers are not all that well paid and work horrific hours. *facepalm*


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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"
    Why pay for it yourself when you can get someone else to pay for it?

    And how is it this guy can even do this project given that Blizzard just body slammed the people who wanted to do voice overs of quest text?

    Seems to me this is something that Blizzard is highly likely to kill... since money will be changing hands.
  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,435
    SBFord said:


    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"



    You HONESTLY believe that game developers make millions? The companies they worked for, perhaps. But developers are not all that well paid and work horrific hours. *facepalm*
    That could be true, but if you want to sell a product you find your investors and start up a company. If you want to make profit with my money i want my piece of the pie.
    k61977
  • seraphicasseraphicas Member UncommonPosts: 51
    edited March 2018
    Be interesting to see how many suckers fall for this shit. As to the comment about game dev low pay, you don't go work at Mcdonalds and whine because you don't 6 figure. They know what they're signing up for.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited March 2018

    btdt said:



    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"


    Why pay for it yourself when you can get someone else to pay for it?

    And how is it this guy can even do this project given that Blizzard just body slammed the people who wanted to do voice overs of quest text?

    Seems to me this is something that Blizzard is highly likely to kill... since money will be changing hands.



    If you read the Kickstarter, he has permission from Blizzard for the book.

    For those of you poo-pooing the Kickstarter, does it ever occur to you that authors get signing bonuses and enter into contracts with companies to publish their books? This author is bypassing signing contracts and bonuses and eliminating the middleman. Given the huge interest in WoW and the fact he worked on it for 10 years means that, at least theoretically, he has the pull to ask for that much on KS.

    *shrugs* Whatever. Everyone backs things that they find worthy. If the project funds, I'll have a shiny, interesting new book to read. If it doesn't, I'm no worse for the effort since no funds are removed.
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  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,523
    SBFord said:

    btdt said:



    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"


    Why pay for it yourself when you can get someone else to pay for it?

    And how is it this guy can even do this project given that Blizzard just body slammed the people who wanted to do voice overs of quest text?

    Seems to me this is something that Blizzard is highly likely to kill... since money will be changing hands.



    If you read the Kickstarter, he has permission from Blizzard for the book.

    For those of you poo-pooing the Kickstarter, does it ever occur to you that authors get signing bonuses and enter into contracts with companies to publish their books? This author is bypassing signing contracts and bonuses and eliminating the middleman. Given the huge interest in WoW and the fact he worked on it for 10 years means that, at least theoretically, he has the pull to ask for that much on KS.

    *shrugs* Whatever. Everyone backs things that they find worthy. If the project funds, I'll have a shiny, interesting new book to read. If it doesn't, I'm no worse for the effort since no funds are removed.
    I wasn't going to comment on this but after reading the poo-poo statement I had to. 

    No, not cutting out the middle man as he will still need a publisher to put out the book in the long term.  What he is doing is waiting for others to fund his project while he sits back and doesn't look for investors.  It is lazy development these days, instead of doing legwork and finding someone that believes in your project to back you, you do a kickstarter instead.  Sure if you did actual look and find investors they get a cut in the future because they funded you but that is part of the cost of business when you don't have the funds yourself.  Overall kickstarter is horrible as it has no protections whatsoever, except the not meeting the goal part, unlike some of the other funding projects which actually hold the people that start them accountable for actually completing the work if they get the money.  How many kickstarters have done another kickstarter because they realize that they didn't get enough the first time around?

    I would love to see this made and would buy it, but I am not stupid enough to give money away to people who don't have an product, unless I am going to be an investor and with kickstarter you are nothing.

    deniter
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    Like I said, if it funds, great. I haven't had a single thing I've backed not come to fruition -- that's at least 3 games and a half dozen books. If it doesn't fund, no dollars out of my wallet.


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  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094

    btdt said:



    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"


    Why pay for it yourself when you can get someone else to pay for it?

    And how is it this guy can even do this project given that Blizzard just body slammed the people who wanted to do voice overs of quest text?

    Seems to me this is something that Blizzard is highly likely to kill... since money will be changing hands.



    Still sore that they axed that project. Something the fans really came together for and something WoW could have really benefited from as a whole. Also something Blizzard is incapable / too lazy of doing themselves. Though you have to religiously defend things in today's world as if give someone an inch, they'll take a mile. Still, it would have been a nice gesture for them to find a way or to allow such (since it's an optional addon) so long as just read the dialog (which they were).
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I can't say i paid attention to any of the maps because the focus was pretty much vee line for ? and !.
    IMO MOST decisions gone into this recent version of the game are terrible and i assume why so many keep yelling for vanilla Wow.Even still vanilla is better but still not good,the game design decisions repel me similar to their other games,they seem to not understand what exactly they are designing as well managing to ruin some of the fun aspects of the game.

    I think i mentioned it before,lack of shaders/lighting in Wow is really obvious and looks amateur.So what is this book/person going to tell us,how he made amateur looking maps?
    Then even if i said WOW those map layouts are amazing,they seem to have an automated system of slapping mobs in a zone.They look to have exact spacing and litter landscapes making simple travel with your mount annoying as hell.

    When i wander around Wow maps,i usually just say wtf every couple minutes,there is THAT much wrong with everything their team does.
    When i talk to the average Wow player,not those serious RAID people but he average player,i ALWAYS get the feeling they don't pay attention to ANY map or even the game,their goal is always the same>>>>completionist's.Then you think Raid players care about that map,pfft they are there to SPEED run and get loot and nothing more.Yes even the random dungeon finder is just players rushing through to finish and get the loot,NOBODY cares about the level design or even the game.



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  • RiannesRiannes Member UncommonPosts: 98
    I will back this project. I no longer play WoW but the memory of it is precious to me.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,200

    SBFord said:





    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"






    You HONESTLY believe that game developers make millions? The companies they worked for, perhaps. But developers are not all that well paid and work horrific hours. *facepalm*



    So ? Work horrific hours? Then tell them to stay home? I don't get it. You get a job , and you work for someone else. Wanna be vice-versa? Well .. be smarter.

    In this case , Blizzard success is based on smart guys. They started from zero. They deserve it.
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  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927

    IceAge said:



    SBFord said:








    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"









    You HONESTLY believe that game developers make millions? The companies they worked for, perhaps. But developers are not all that well paid and work horrific hours. *facepalm*






    So ? Work horrific hours? Then tell them to stay home? I don't get it. You get a job , and you work for someone else. Wanna be vice-versa? Well .. be smarter.



    In this case , Blizzard success is based on smart guys. They started from zero. They deserve it.



    Agree, plus they might work horrific hours, but I bet Blizzard doesn't pay them peanuts either. They get a lot more then they invest (talking about their time). High salary + working for Blizzard opens a lot of doors for their future.
    As for those that don't work for Blizzard. Most still get decently high salaries and no matter what they work on their resumes only get better and not worst.

    There are a ton of people who work even more horrific hours, but don't get paid even 1/5 of what those devs get so they can't get any sympathy from me.

    I work for myself and I also work horrific hours btw, but I do enjoy what I do, so I don't mind :)
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    edited March 2018

    xNIAx1 said:

    Why does he need money to do something HE wants to do? I wanna build a house but don't want to pay for it myself, will you guys pay for it? Please? lol wtf



    I only see a few rewards left and they are $40.00. It seems like this is being used more as a pre-order (if I get x amount of orders it will be worth it to do it) type of thing.

    Also it doesn't look like it's going to fund.
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  • DecardCainDecardCain Member UncommonPosts: 45

    xNIAx1 said:

    Why does he need money to do something HE wants to do? I wanna build a house but don't want to pay for it myself, will you guys pay for it? Please? lol wtf



    But he shares his own experience. This is not the same.
  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504

    xNIAx1 said:

    Why does he need money to do something HE wants to do? I wanna build a house but don't want to pay for it myself, will you guys pay for it? Please? lol wtf



    He is giving you a book for your money, you are getting a house with my money and 0 return to me... seems pretty logical here, it’s not like Hes saying give me money so I can publish it then pay for the book, you back the project you get a book.
    SBFord
  • GrimtuthGrimtuth Member UncommonPosts: 27
    It's almost amazing that common sense seems to be prevailing. As much as I wish this guy success, I am glad this KS project looks like it is falling flat. Find a publisher, or publish it yourself.
  • GilnidorGilnidor Member UncommonPosts: 115
    That book is sure really expensive to write. Sorry but this is a no go for me. Smells funny and stale.

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  • zenomexzenomex Member UncommonPosts: 242

    SBFord said:



    btdt said:






    Sheesh even people that worked for Blizzard are looking for kickstarter money....Its getting to be "let the people pay for everything while I count my millions"




    Why pay for it yourself when you can get someone else to pay for it?

    And how is it this guy can even do this project given that Blizzard just body slammed the people who wanted to do voice overs of quest text?

    Seems to me this is something that Blizzard is highly likely to kill... since money will be changing hands.






    If you read the Kickstarter, he has permission from Blizzard for the book.



    For those of you poo-pooing the Kickstarter, does it ever occur to you that authors get signing bonuses and enter into contracts with companies to publish their books? This author is bypassing signing contracts and bonuses and eliminating the middleman. Given the huge interest in WoW and the fact he worked on it for 10 years means that, at least theoretically, he has the pull to ask for that much on KS.



    *shrugs* Whatever. Everyone backs things that they find worthy. If the project funds, I'll have a shiny, interesting new book to read. If it doesn't, I'm no worse for the effort since no funds are removed.



    Going in to contracts with companies is different than letting "the people" pay for it up front. A company is an entity, not a person.
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Comment from the guy running the kickstarter:

    "Yeah, this campaign isn't going to happen. LOL. I had some really bad advice. I'll reboot it with 1/10th of a target and give it 30 days to clear. Thanks for your support."

    That really inspires me to donate...
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited March 2018
    Forgrimm said:
    Comment from the guy running the kickstarter:

    "Yeah, this campaign isn't going to happen. LOL. I had some really bad advice. I'll reboot it with 1/10th of a target and give it 30 days to clear. Thanks for your support."

    That really inspires me to donate...
    Honestly, it sounds like the advice was more on how to try and maximize the funds he receive rather than using it to gauge interest for a publisher.  Bad advice, indeed.

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