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UPDATED: Is Daybreak Game Company in Trouble? Check Out a Twisted Series of Events

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited April 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageIs Daybreak Game Company in Trouble? Check Out a Twisted Series of Events - MMORPG.com News

UPDATE: @MSandersonD, it appears that SONY -- yeah that one -- still owns 10%. Can this be the legal loophole DGC needs to stay out of the oligarch's asset freeze? Check out all the legal documentation and tax records to see what he is speaking about:

https://twitter.com/MSandersonD/status/989219740802568192

Daybreak Game Company may be in trouble thanks to US sanctions against Russian "oligarch" Viktor Vekselberg who owns Columbus Nova long thought to be the owner of DGC. Going back to 2015 and the demise of Sony Online Entertainment, a press announcement revealed Columbus Nova as the new owner, but in a weird twist of events, that press release has been deleted and wiki pages for DGC have been scrubbed. Massively even received a statement yesterday denying CN's ownership at any time.

Read the full story here



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  • LasterbaLasterba Member UncommonPosts: 137
    God I hope so. Nothing would make me happier than to see this piece of shit company crash and burn.
    LuwenAreteoGendgiRenoakuXingbairongPhryArskaaaLaviotaScarranSeelinnikoiand 8 others.
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,360
    edited April 2018

    Lasterba said:

    God I hope so. Nothing would make me happier than to see this piece of shit company crash and burn.



    Well I do loathe DBG but I am thinking of the poor low tier people working there.
    It always suck to get laid off.

    But after what they did to gamers with EQN and Landmark, they had it coming.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    DMKano said:
    Nothing will happen to DBG because of CN.


    Yep, read your commentary in the thread linked in the article. I'm sure that the loophole will save the company, but a lot of damage is being done at least in the short term.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Of course they're in trouble. They've got a bad case of Crytek syndrome - barely coasting by on past success while releasing no relevant games for longer than an entire console generation.
    craftseeker
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,976
    Once they stopped EQN (if it even was ever actually going to be a game and not just a bunch of ideas tossed about) it was pretty much the final nail in the coffin.
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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813
    divine justice? who knows, but still this isn't gonna bring back EQN
  • phantomghostphantomghost Member UncommonPosts: 738
    EQN was becoming everything we already had. It looked terrible. Glad it was cut.
    craftseekerMatimusmaximus

  • LuwenLuwen Member CommonPosts: 3

    Lasterba said:

    God I hope so. Nothing would make me happier than to see this piece of shit company crash and burn.



    Why's that? I'd be interested to know more, seems like a lot of hatred for Daybreak out there from people? More likely just loud mouthed ones are on the forums while people who are actually enjoying, and loving / playing their games every single day are in game quiet and happy. (The vast majority, I assure you.)


    SBFord said:


    DMKano said:

    Nothing will happen to DBG because of CN.




    Yep, read your commentary in the thread linked in the article. I'm sure that the loophole will save the company, but a lot of damage is being done at least in the short term.




    How has damage been done? The only people who are fanning the flames seem to want to see daybreak go down, but the thing is, they have a great thing going and they aren't going to give it up easily, especially not to some nonsense like this. By the way, anyone can edit a wikipedia article. People on the subreddits, online forums, etc, all the same, it's hype and people are quick to jump on that bandwagon. 2 months from now no one is even going to remember this.

    EverQuest will see a 20th anniversary, it really is one of the most important games in MMORPG history.
    Ridrithcraftseeker
  • LuwenLuwen Member CommonPosts: 3
    edited April 2018

    Aeander said:

    Of course they're in trouble. They've got a bad case of Crytek syndrome - barely coasting by on past success while releasing no relevant games for longer than an entire console generation.



    They aren't in trouble. It's just forum warriors like you who think they are in trouble. Makes me laugh though. Most people don't even waste their time on the forums, let alone register an account..
  • RidrithRidrith Member RarePosts: 855
    I'd be okay if EQ and EQ2 ended up dying. I wanted to play EQN, bought into Landmark. So if the company goes belly up I'll be slightly glad to see it go. At least it will give me some sort of twisted sense of satisfaction for them ripping me off.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    Luwen said:

    Yep, read your commentary in the thread linked in the article. I'm sure that the loophole will save the company, but a lot of damage is being done at least in the short term.



    How has damage been done? The only people who are fanning the flames seem to want to see daybreak go down, but the thing is, they have a great thing going and they aren't going to give it up easily, especially not to some nonsense like this. By the way, anyone can edit a wikipedia article. People on the subreddits, online forums, etc, all the same, it's hype and people are quick to jump on that bandwagon. 2 months from now no one is even going to remember this.

    EverQuest will see a 20th anniversary, it really is one of the most important games in MMORPG history.
    In the short term, this isn't great news. But let's face it: Most people have the attention span of a hamster and the next big news story will see things normalize again. It's just unfortunate for DGC that it came out the same day as the big H1Z1 PS4 news. 
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  • GendgiGendgi Member UncommonPosts: 16
    Poor Company, Poor Management, Poor ending, yap it fits.
    Seelinnikoi

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  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,360

    DMKano said:


    Seelinnikoi said:



    Lasterba said:


    God I hope so. Nothing would make me happier than to see this piece of shit company crash and burn.






    Well I do loathe DBG but I am thinking of the poor low tier people working there.

    It always suck to get laid off.



    But after what they did to gamers with EQN and Landmark, they had it coming.

    They also removed all job openings: https://www.daybreakgames.com/careers



    Umm there are 49 job openings listed.

    Removed? Really now?



    Strange, I tried i with 3 different browsers to see if it was an error, but it was empty.

    Removed my link now.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    edited April 2018
    Personally wouldn't mind seeing the company go under at everything they have done over the years from ruining Ever Quest Next to closing down SWG and PlanetSide 1... I just hope if they close the give the remaining games and other assets to a better company for free that can keep them running...

    And censorship isn't a great way to cover stuff up, but it seems companies still try to do this.
  • BlinkennBlinkenn Member UncommonPosts: 166
    When the government starts digging for potential Sanctions Violations, they'll find out real quick that a scrub of a website post doesn't protect you.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Blinkenn said:
    When the government starts digging for potential Sanctions Violations, they'll find out real quick that a scrub of a website post doesn't protect you.
    It does make them look guilty as hell like they are trying to cover it up.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited April 2018
    From Massively the current Daybreak spin on who exactly bought SOE in 2015:

    “It was current executive chairman Jason Epstein, former senior managing partner of Columbus Nova that acquired Daybreak, not Columbus Nova itself. That distinction was never corrected in the past, so we are correcting that now,” a Daybreak spokesperson told us.

    From the Columbus Nova website today (until they change it :) )

    Mr. Epstein is responsible for CN’s technology and media investment platform. In this capacity, Mr. Epstein sits on a variety of Boards of Directors, including Rhapsody Music International (Chairman), Day Break Games (Chairman), GenePeeks, and 300.

    "In this capacity" as being responsible for Columbus Nova's technology and media investment.

    So which is it?
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  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927

    Lasterba said:

    God I hope so. Nothing would make me happier than to see this piece of shit company crash and burn.



    My words exactly, but as @Seelinnikoi mentioned it will suck for your everyday Joe's in the company, but then again I feel like even though Daybreak is utter garbage having that in your resume will help you find job relatively fast.

    @Luwen Yeah people will forget because as @SBFord said nowadays with the vast amount of media we get daily it's hard to care for something when every day there is something new that "shocks you".
    What I find funny though is that you actually took the time to create an account and write a response and even went the extra mile to call people who bother to create accounts and have opinions that they are wasting their time. Well glad to have you here :)
    SBFord
  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Iselin said:
    From Massively the current Daybreak spin on who exactly bought SOE in 2015:

    “It was current executive chairman Jason Epstein, former senior managing partner of Columbus Nova that acquired Daybreak, not Columbus Nova itself. That distinction was never corrected in the past, so we are correcting that now,” a Daybreak spokesperson told us.

    From the Columbus Nova website today (until they change it :) )

    Mr. Epstein is responsible for CN’s technology and media investment platform. In this capacity, Mr. Epstein sits on a variety of Boards of Directors, including Rhapsody Music International (Chairman), Day Break Games (Chairman), GenePeeks, and 300.

    "In this capacity" as being responsible for Columbus Nova's technology and media investment.

    So which is it?
    Websites aren't legal documents.  Somewhere there's are documents with actual legal weight that will state exactly who does and doesn't own Daybreak.  It's not easy to correct those types of documents, or at least try to sweep them under the rug.  Tax records, at the very least, should clearly show the corporate hierarchy.  




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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited April 2018
    Interestinger and interestinger...

    http://massivelyop.com/2018/04/25/daybreak-update-chief-publishing-officer-laura-naviaux-has-left-the-company/

    Since then, the major development is that Daybreak’s Chief Publishing Officer and former Senior Vice President, Laura Naviaux, announced she’s left the company. “Moving on! The next adventure awaits…I’ll drop some info soon,” she tweeted this morning. Her Linkedin says she’s already founded a new consulting company. (Many thanks to our anonymous tipster for this info.)
    Seelinnikoi


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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    From Massively the current Daybreak spin on who exactly bought SOE in 2015:

    “It was current executive chairman Jason Epstein, former senior managing partner of Columbus Nova that acquired Daybreak, not Columbus Nova itself. That distinction was never corrected in the past, so we are correcting that now,” a Daybreak spokesperson told us.

    From the Columbus Nova website today (until they change it :) )

    Mr. Epstein is responsible for CN’s technology and media investment platform. In this capacity, Mr. Epstein sits on a variety of Boards of Directors, including Rhapsody Music International (Chairman), Day Break Games (Chairman), GenePeeks, and 300.

    "In this capacity" as being responsible for Columbus Nova's technology and media investment.

    So which is it?
    Websites aren't legal documents.  Somewhere there's are documents with actual legal weight that will state exactly who does and doesn't own Daybreak.  It's not easy to correct those types of documents, or at least try to sweep them under the rug.  Tax records, at the very least, should clearly show the corporate hierarchy.  




    Of course.

    But it has been an entertaining few hours watching DBG scrambling all over attempting to rewrite the narrative. That is totally beside the point of the eventual legal outcome but I do enjoy watching corporate lies as they develop :)
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    edited April 2018
    Regardless of the outcome they had it coming. Too much unresolved bad juju.
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Iselin said:
    Mendel said:
    Iselin said:
    From Massively the current Daybreak spin on who exactly bought SOE in 2015:

    “It was current executive chairman Jason Epstein, former senior managing partner of Columbus Nova that acquired Daybreak, not Columbus Nova itself. That distinction was never corrected in the past, so we are correcting that now,” a Daybreak spokesperson told us.

    From the Columbus Nova website today (until they change it :) )

    Mr. Epstein is responsible for CN’s technology and media investment platform. In this capacity, Mr. Epstein sits on a variety of Boards of Directors, including Rhapsody Music International (Chairman), Day Break Games (Chairman), GenePeeks, and 300.

    "In this capacity" as being responsible for Columbus Nova's technology and media investment.

    So which is it?
    Websites aren't legal documents.  Somewhere there's are documents with actual legal weight that will state exactly who does and doesn't own Daybreak.  It's not easy to correct those types of documents, or at least try to sweep them under the rug.  Tax records, at the very least, should clearly show the corporate hierarchy.  




    Of course.

    But it has been an entertaining few hours watching DBG scrambling all over attempting to rewrite the narrative. That is totally beside the point of the eventual legal outcome but I do enjoy watching corporate lies as they develop :)
    There is the entertainment aspect, yes.  Panic.  Reaction.  Publicity.  Reaction.

    And here I thought I was going to blow my popcorn budget on Infinity War.




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  • rubydragon5rubydragon5 Member UncommonPosts: 693
    I am hoping day break gets rekt, goes bankrupt, but I also hope some better quality company comes in and saves the games, the playerbase is innocent bystanders right now, no reason we should get screwed over.
    Seelinnikoi





  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Luwen said:

    Aeander said:

    Of course they're in trouble. They've got a bad case of Crytek syndrome - barely coasting by on past success while releasing no relevant games for longer than an entire console generation.



    They aren't in trouble. It's just forum warriors like you who think they are in trouble. Makes me laugh though. Most people don't even waste their time on the forums, let alone register an account..
    Feel free to disagree or to provide financials. I'm open to being wrong. However, your defense was a complete non-sequitor and had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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