Ready Player One Movie . . . is it the future . . . I hope so . . . [Mild Spoiler Alert]

Cryomatrix · May 2018

So I saw this movie the other day and I just finished reading the book. I think I would have liked the book more if I read the book first. But if I read the book first, I am not sure I would have liked the movie.

Anyway, do you think video games are going to head the way of the OASIS. I think eventually that's what the point of VR is going to be able to do. Do you think we'll ever get there? Are we technologically able to do it yet? I guess not, but we will be close in like 20-30 years right?

Because, i'll be the first to admit, I'd be all up in the OASIS 24/7 it would just be like living in a video game universe. What are your thoughts? I'd figure that it would be the best damn D&D game you could ever have with the OASIS. I could be my Path of Exile character.

Quizzical · May 2018

Don't count on Moore's Law continuing for another 20-30 years. I'm very skeptical of the ability of foundries to carve features in silicon smaller than the size of individual atoms. We're likely nearing the end of the exponential growth in computing power that has done on for so many decades, and if that happens, the rendering capability to do all that you want in real time may never exist, or perhaps be forever limited to extremely expensive and power-hungry clusters of large numbers of servers.

AAAMEOW · May 2018

I doubt VR is the future. Like people say VR will sell because of porn but no one enjoys watching porn on VR.

Unless the next generation VR come out, which is similar to altered carbon or sword art online, more people would still prefer traditional screen over VR.

Quizzical · May 2018

SedrynTyros said:

Cryomatrix said:

So I saw this movie the other day and I just finished reading the book. I think I would have liked the book more if I read the book first. But if I read the book first, I am not sure I would have liked the movie.

Anyway, do you think video games are going to head the way of the OASIS. I think eventually that's what the point of VR is going to be able to do. Do you think we'll ever get there? Are we technologically able to do it yet? I guess not, but we will be close in like 20-30 years right?

Because, i'll be the first to admit, I'd be all up in the OASIS 24/7 it would just be like living in a video game universe. What are your thoughts? I'd figure that it would be the best damn D&D game you could ever have with the OASIS. I could be my Path of Exile character.

Yeah, we'll get there, but it'll probably be a lot farther out than is depicted in the movie. As Quizzical mentions, silicon has limits. Maybe something fancy like Quantum processors with Optical circuits would do the trick, but that's going to be a while.

It's not just silicon that has limits. Maybe if you replace silicon by something else, you can pack in twice as many transistors. Two decades of Moore's Law improvements should have given you over 1000x as many transistors to play with.

You'd need something to replace transistors as revolutionary as the move from vacuum tubes to transistors was. I'm not going to insist that that's impossible, but I very much doubt that it will happen at a predictable time and keep to a steady Moore's Law cadence. Considering how many hundreds of billions of dollars have already been spent on fabs, if there were an easy way to do the next such revolution, it would surely have been done by now.

And no, quantum computing doesn't get you there. Quantum doesn't just mean faster. Quantum computers could be very good at certain types of problems that classical computers are bad at. But classical computers are very good at graphics, while quantum computers would probably be forever useless at it.

Vynt · May 2018

It is probably better you watched the movie first. I read and listened to the book, and when I watched the movie, I was like WTF. Some things I understood needed to be changed because they couldn't get the rights to use it in the movie, but others were just completely changed for no reason whatsoever. Once I was able to separate myself from the book and just watch the movie, I enjoyed it somewhat.

One thing they did do better in movie is make Wade less whiny. He would go on forever doubting what he should do. It was way worse listening to it than reading. I must have skimmed over it when I read lol.

As far as the VR, we'll get there I hope, but I rather go beyond that into full immersion that is in a lot of other books, anime, etc. Full immersion, neural implants, whatever they come up with might be easier than the oasis tbh. Still a long time away unfortunately, even if something ground breaking happens.

esc-joconnor · May 2018

I think we are closer than others in the thread do. You don't need to have better CPUs, if they can't make them faster they make them cheaper. And for VR if you can track the user's eye movements you figure you could save some resources not rendering areas in the user's peripheral vision as highly. If you look at the tech they show you they are using, pullies for low-end rigs (yeah right) we aren't that far off. It's not like it was a movie about jacking in. I do doubt it would ever be the utopia it is, game business is dominated by people like the bad guy, so hello tiered access! How many of us could afford Water? XD

Iselin · May 2018

Haven't seen it yet but yeah, movie adaptations always lack the depth of the books. It's extremely rare for the movie to be better than the original book. Blade Runner is about the only example I can think of where it was clearly better than the original Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

I watched Altered Carbon recently on NF and I had to consciously forget about the Morgan book to enjoy the mini series. I'll watch this the same way when I get around to it.

Cryomatrix · May 2018

The only movie that I know that is better than the book is Jurassic Park. Other than that, the movies are usually worse.

Sephiroso · May 2018

Iselin said:

Haven't seen it yet but yeah, movie adaptations always lack the depth of the books. It's extremely rare for the movie to be better than the original book. Blade Runner is about the only example I can think of where it was clearly better than the original Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

I watched Altered Carbon recently on NF and I had to consciously forget about the Morgan book to enjoy the mini series. I'll watch this the same way when I get around to it.

Ehh, if you care at all about logic and movies being consistent within their made up universe, i'd give the movie a pass if i were you.

Quizzical · May 2018

Cryomatrix said:

The only movie that I know that is better than the book is Jurassic Park. Other than that, the movies are usually worse.

That's due to survivor bias. If you're going to make a movie based on a book, you don't pick some random book. You pick an unusually good book. But that doesn't magically make the movie better. If you're comparing an unusually good book to a random movie, then the book usually will be better.

Even if you don't particularly like the work of one professional novelist or another, it's probably a lot better than the overwhelming majority of fan fiction that people post online. So yes, they're almost always picking an unusually good book as the one that the movie will be based on.

If the movie came first and was an unusually good movie, so then later someone made a book based on the movie, then the movie usually would be better than the book. But that tends not to happen because it's so much cheaper to make a commercial book than a commercial movie.

Octagon7711 · May 2018

One day they will get the bugs worked out of VR. Everything usually has a rocky start. Still a long way from a holodeck experience.

The problem with movies is that you end up with a seven hour movie if you want to cover all the details written in a book. Movies by their very nature have to tell the story in a different way. Plus most creative people don't want to copy the book but create a movie based on a book, just like singers like to sing a standard song but in their own style. Even some writers have said if they had to rewrite a successful book they would probably make changes to the story.

Quizzical · May 2018

Octagon7711 said:

One day they will get the bugs worked out of VR. Everything usually has a rocky start. Still a long way from a holodeck experience.

Having vastly insufficient processing power to do what you want to do is a far more fundamental problem than a mere bug.

iixviiiix · May 2018

I don't watch the movie or read the book , so what's OASIS gameplay mechanic ?

All i know are VR headset , bodysuit and gloves to feel the touch , Treadmill ... did i miss anything ?

cheyane · May 2018

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Sephiroso · May 2018

iixviiiix said:

I don't watch the movie or read the book , so what's OASIS gameplay mechanic ?

All i know are VR headset , bodysuit and gloves to feel the touch , Treadmill ... did i miss anything ?

I'm not an expert on the movie or anything so parts of what i say might be slightly off but not everyone uses bodysuit/gloves to play the game, same with treadmill. The only thing required is the vr headset. Moving irl moves you in the game, which you see examples of all the time.

The corporation were the only ones bothering to use the treadmills for their thousands of employees. Everyone else would just play it in their trailer or outside on the sidewalks(which makes no sense because they'd be bound to bump into walls and shit and all the jumps they were doing in game again makes no sense).

MC used body suit that could let him feel pain and pleasure(the dumbass didn't turn the pain off before he went into a very pain inducing experience)

Sephiroso · May 2018

cheyane said:

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Hmmm...well the way i see it, no they don't. They don't need to solve the nausea/headache issues that a subset of the population experience while playing VR. Do video game developers need to solve arthritis for the subset of the population so they can enjoy playing video games?

Scot · May 2018

Quizzical said:

SedrynTyros said:

Cryomatrix said:

So I saw this movie the other day and I just finished reading the book. I think I would have liked the book more if I read the book first. But if I read the book first, I am not sure I would have liked the movie.

Anyway, do you think video games are going to head the way of the OASIS. I think eventually that's what the point of VR is going to be able to do. Do you think we'll ever get there? Are we technologically able to do it yet? I guess not, but we will be close in like 20-30 years right?

Because, i'll be the first to admit, I'd be all up in the OASIS 24/7 it would just be like living in a video game universe. What are your thoughts? I'd figure that it would be the best damn D&D game you could ever have with the OASIS. I could be my Path of Exile character.

Yeah, we'll get there, but it'll probably be a lot farther out than is depicted in the movie. As Quizzical mentions, silicon has limits. Maybe something fancy like Quantum processors with Optical circuits would do the trick, but that's going to be a while.

It's not just silicon that has limits. Maybe if you replace silicon by something else, you can pack in twice as many transistors. Two decades of Moore's Law improvements should have given you over 1000x as many transistors to play with.

You'd need something to replace transistors as revolutionary as the move from vacuum tubes to transistors was. I'm not going to insist that that's impossible, but I very much doubt that it will happen at a predictable time and keep to a steady Moore's Law cadence. Considering how many hundreds of billions of dollars have already been spent on fabs, if there were an easy way to do the next such revolution, it would surely have been done by now.

And no, quantum computing doesn't get you there. Quantum doesn't just mean faster. Quantum computers could be very good at certain types of problems that classical computers are bad at. But classical computers are very good at graphics, while quantum computers would probably be forever useless at it.

I have real concerns about Quantum anything, as yet Quantum mechanics has not produced one functioning device of any sort. They are a couple of things they like to put up as QM based, but they are not. But the maths, yes there are real world uses for the maths that has been developed to solve QM issues, but that can be true of any maths in any discipline.

iixviiiix · May 2018

Sephiroso said:

cheyane said:

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Hmmm...well the way i see it, no they don't. They don't need to solve the nausea/headache issues that a subset of the population experience while playing VR. Do video game developers need to solve arthritis for the subset of the population so they can enjoy playing video games?

I agree , for example im very bad with most of FPS game and easy to get motion sick but it don't mean they stop release FPS games .

And with the mechanic that you said then RPO's OASIS is possible to do right now with standalone VR headset like Mirage Solo or Vive Focus (or the other 6DOF headsets) Oculus GO pretty limited .

It just that the VR grown day by days and it risky to spend $millions to make a game for them .

Personally im very again let player feel physical contract , smell and taste . Though most VR novel always use it to create more drama .

Octagon7711 · May 2018

Sephiroso said:

cheyane said:

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Hmmm...well the way i see it, no they don't. They don't need to solve the nausea/headache issues that a subset of the population experience while playing VR. Do video game developers need to solve arthritis for the subset of the population so they can enjoy playing video games?

It depends on how many people actually do suffer from this. The companies will down play the numbers because it's bad for business but if it's a lot of people say half, then half of the people who try it for the first time will be turned off. I've seen gamers talk about slowly acclimating yourself into longer play times but the average person who has problems with it will just leave it alone until the problem is fixed.

Image result for VR use how many people actually suffer from headaches and sickness from VR charts and graphs

Image result for VR use how many people actually suffer from headaches and sickness from VR charts and graphs

https://www.slideshare.net/marknb00/comp-4010-lecture-6-example-vr-applications

Sephiroso · May 2018

Octagon7711 said:

Sephiroso said:

cheyane said:

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Hmmm...well the way i see it, no they don't. They don't need to solve the nausea/headache issues that a subset of the population experience while playing VR. Do video game developers need to solve arthritis for the subset of the population so they can enjoy playing video games?

It depends on how many people actually do suffer from this. The companies will down play the numbers because it's bad for business but if it's a lot of people say half, then half of the people who try it for the first time will be turned off. I've seen gamers talk about slowly acclimating yourself into longer play times but the average person who has problems with it will just leave it alone until the problem is fixed.

https://www.slideshare.net/marknb00/comp-4010-lecture-6-example-vr-applications

First off, gonna say i only looked at the picture there and didn't go inside the link.

That being said, this would have backed your point up a bit more if it showed the percentages that were say yes/may to those specific complaints. But instead it essentially lumped all the complaints into 1 which is meaningless.

It's meaningless because it's a lot easier to solve "difficulties for people who wear glasses" than it is to solve the eye strain/headaches/nausea. Also i have no idea what the leader tablet thing is about.

so is that's 53% lumping all of that in, i think the VR business will be just fine making VR better/more affordable and ignoring the eye strain/headaches/nausea people.

OracleOfTheUnknown · May 2018

With how thing are going no .

Octagon7711 · May 2018

ikcin said:

Cryomatrix said:

So I saw this movie the other day and I just finished reading the book. I think I would have liked the book more if I read the book first. But if I read the book first, I am not sure I would have liked the movie.

Anyway, do you think video games are going to head the way of the OASIS. I think eventually that's what the point of VR is going to be able to do. Do you think we'll ever get there? Are we technologically able to do it yet? I guess not, but we will be close in like 20-30 years right?

Because, i'll be the first to admit, I'd be all up in the OASIS 24/7 it would just be like living in a video game universe. What are your thoughts? I'd figure that it would be the best damn D&D game you could ever have with the OASIS. I could be my Path of Exile character.

As terrifying and painful as reality can be, it's also the only place where you can find true happiness.
Is Oasis a possible future? Yes, if the world becomes too overpopulated. The people with power rule with bread and circuses. When the possibilities for personal evolving become limited, because of lack of resources - bread, the rulers will give more spectacles like the video games to the poor masses. It is a question of profit. And yes, if you are not a millionaire, you are one of the poor masses.

Reminds me about an article I read about a lady who sold her web blog for a few million dollars. Later she realized there were rich and poor millionaires and she was at the bottom of the millionaire's barrel.

Mendel · May 2018

Sephiroso said:

cheyane said:

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Hmmm...well the way i see it, no they don't. They don't need to solve the nausea/headache issues that a subset of the population experience while playing VR. Do video game developers need to solve arthritis for the subset of the population so they can enjoy playing video games?

The bigger issue is that the nausea/headache has to do with the way the brain processes input from the eyes. And that about 75% of all Americans need vision correction of some form. The VR screen feeds information to the eyes, but how the same signal is processed by different individuals may be different. Even if VR manages to bypass the eyes, the brain may be conditioned to processing the signals the eyes do send, and a 'pure' VR signal may be different enough from the eye's signals to cause even worse symptoms of nausea.

If you're not bothered by VR, and have perfect eyesight, consider yourself lucky.

Sephiroso · May 2018

Mendel said:

Sephiroso said:

cheyane said:

First they have to solve the nausea and headache issues for people like me and I am not alone before I will touch this VR thing with a flag pole.

As addicting as video games are now VR will make it 10 times worse.

Hmmm...well the way i see it, no they don't. They don't need to solve the nausea/headache issues that a subset of the population experience while playing VR. Do video game developers need to solve arthritis for the subset of the population so they can enjoy playing video games?

The bigger issue is that the nausea/headache has to do with the way the brain processes input from the eyes. And that about 75% of all Americans need vision correction of some form. The VR screen feeds information to the eyes, but how the same signal is processed by different individuals may be different. Even if VR manages to bypass the eyes, the brain may be conditioned to processing the signals the eyes do send, and a 'pure' VR signal may be different enough from the eye's signals to cause even worse symptoms of nausea.

If you're not bothered by VR, and have perfect eyesight, consider yourself lucky.

Not sure what bringing up 75% americans needing corrective vision has to do with anything. I'm one of that 75% and i don't have nausea/headache from VR. My vision is absolute shit without my glasses and i have glaucoma, as well as a reoccuring problem with iritis so it's not like my eyes just have a tiny little problem either.

Only problem with VR and people needing vision correction is poorly designed VR headsets with glasses in mind and there are relatively easy design workarounds to account for that(or people using contacts).

In short, i'd say it's more like if you're bothered by VR via nausea/headache, consider yourself unlucky.

cheyane · May 2018

I cannot understand the resistance to the companies fixing the issues with VR. Would that not make the experience better. It seems that some of you think that since it may be isolated which is doubtful they should not bother with it.

Comparing this problem to an FPS is also not right since the VR experience isn't like an FPS it is a whole different experience from what I have read. It makes good sense that it does not cause bad problems for our own health in the future. Are you saying our health should be secondary ?

I am rather surprised that people would think it is a bad thing to fix these issues.

Iselin · May 2018

I'm sure some day, they'll work out all the kinks and full immersion VR tanks will be a reality. Unfortunately the zombie apocalypse has a better chance of happening first.

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