"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Wow, the ignorance in you is HIGH , LOL.
Possible Did you intentionally not seeing that? Possible came from the very guy who wrote this article, and not from the dev's. Geezes Kano , hate more pl0x
PS: And I said P2W Elements. Leveling boosts are not P2W elements. But you already knew that , don't you?
Oh I see - moving goalposts again.
So one player with premium XP potions has zero advantage over a player who doesnt.
Right?
They don't. They level up faster but they are no more powerful than any other player at the same level. If you are worried about while leveling you are REALLY reaching, as that will be a tiny percentage of your playtime.
By that logic, every game is P2W because if you buy the game before someone else you automatically have an advantage.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Level boost is hardly a fucking deal breaker for ANY GAME!
LVL boost is in just about every PREMIUM/Subbase game now.
OMG P2W FEATURE! MY ASS!
ADVANTAGE! MY ASS!
Good luck with your crusade!
The funny thing about absolutes is, you're generally always wrong. BDO is just one game where xp boosts is in fact p2w. It takes years to reach max level and a person who's constantly running all the xp boosts will in effect be months ahead of someone who used none even if both started at the same time and play the same amount at the same efficiency.
That ain't paying for "a public restroom" anymore. That's paying to win.
That said, obviously this doesn't pertain to Bless since supposedly you'll be able to hit max lvl in 1-2 weeks but i felt i should correct that line of thought still.
The fact that they are so vague with information about monetization, cash shop and exactly what premium service is, should raise red flags regardless if you plan on playing this game or not.
I am going to wait until they release all the relevant information, so I can make an informed decision if it's worth spending time on this game or not.
Buy game on steam, open cash shop. If it's pay2win steam refund.
You only have less than 2 hours played to get a 100% no questions asked steam refund.
If there is no pre-loading, the patching/download time will count as play time
Lol, good luck with that. I guarantee you can get a refund if this so called D/L time etc has passed. Anyone who lets that happen has no idea how the world works. You can get a refund on almost anything , way past the time the supposed company says. Including this company.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Level boost is hardly a fucking deal breaker for ANY GAME!
LVL boost is in just about every PREMIUM/Subbase game now.
OMG P2W FEATURE! MY ASS!
ADVANTAGE! MY ASS!
Good luck with your crusade!
The funny thing about absolutes is, you're generally always wrong. BDO is just one game where xp boosts is in fact p2w. It takes years to reach max level and a person who's constantly running all the xp boosts will in effect be months ahead of someone who used none even if both started at the same time and play the same amount at the same efficiency.
That ain't paying for "a public restroom" anymore. That's paying to win.
That said, obviously this doesn't pertain to Bless since supposedly you'll be able to hit max lvl in 1-2 weeks but i felt i should correct that line of thought still.
Sorry, I didn't play BDO to give a fuck about others leveling faster than me. I also don't play MMORPGs to race through the game even with the OPTION STILL available to me.
Shit, I've been playing Aion on and off since beta and have yet to have 1 maxed level character. A matter a fact I finally hit 50 that's max level in 2009 with 2 others trailing behind.
So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Level boost is hardly a fucking deal breaker for ANY GAME!
LVL boost is in just about every PREMIUM/Subbase game now.
OMG P2W FEATURE! MY ASS!
ADVANTAGE! MY ASS!
Good luck with your crusade!
The funny thing about absolutes is, you're generally always wrong. BDO is just one game where xp boosts is in fact p2w. It takes years to reach max level and a person who's constantly running all the xp boosts will in effect be months ahead of someone who used none even if both started at the same time and play the same amount at the same efficiency.
That ain't paying for "a public restroom" anymore. That's paying to win.
That said, obviously this doesn't pertain to Bless since supposedly you'll be able to hit max lvl in 1-2 weeks but i felt i should correct that line of thought still.
Sorry, I didn't play BDO to give a fuck about others leveling faster than me. I also don't play MMORPGs to race through the game even with the OPTION STILL available to me.
Shit, I've been playing Aion on and off since beta and have yet to have 1 maxed level character. A matter a fact I finally hit 50 that's max level in 2009 with 2 others trailing behind.
So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!
The fact you don't play your games as a reason for P2W, P2A or PFC isn't a problem is about as weak an argument as you can get. If you don't care about the competitive aspect of a PvP game, then why do you play them?
Oh for fuck sakes! I owe you an apology. I clearly missed the part where there is only one way of playing.
Their silence and secrecy over the cash shop isn't really doing them any favors. With launch right around the corner, you know they have to know what's going in there by now.
I think this will be one of my 'keep an eye on it and see where it goes' games; not that it's moving anywhere from where it has been as it's been in that position on my radar since I first heard about it years ago.
Self-publishing is a risky move. Time will tell if they plan to keep their word on the cash shop or not, and whether that risky move was made because they truly believe in their product... or if it's just an underhanded way of trying to make a quick buck with the gullible whales here in NA.
Either way, it's clear this game and company is already facing some struggles, and I'd honestly rather not invest in the game if it turns out to be the latter of the two aforementioned options.
Oh, and as other posters have mentioned, I'm in agreement that what 'works' in a PvE-centric game (and let's face it, GW2, ESO, FFXIV, WoW... are mostly PvE games despite their PvP elements) does not work in a PvP-focused game. What could be a minor convenience boost that effects nobody in PvE can have serious and damaging effects on a PvP community.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Level boost is hardly a fucking deal breaker for ANY GAME!
LVL boost is in just about every PREMIUM/Subbase game now.
OMG P2W FEATURE! MY ASS!
ADVANTAGE! MY ASS!
Good luck with your crusade!
The funny thing about absolutes is, you're generally always wrong. BDO is just one game where xp boosts is in fact p2w. It takes years to reach max level and a person who's constantly running all the xp boosts will in effect be months ahead of someone who used none even if both started at the same time and play the same amount at the same efficiency.
That ain't paying for "a public restroom" anymore. That's paying to win.
That said, obviously this doesn't pertain to Bless since supposedly you'll be able to hit max lvl in 1-2 weeks but i felt i should correct that line of thought still.
Sorry, I didn't play BDO to give a fuck about others leveling faster than me. I also don't play MMORPGs to race through the game even with the OPTION STILL available to me.
Shit, I've been playing Aion on and off since beta and have yet to have 1 maxed level character. A matter a fact I finally hit 50 that's max level in 2009 with 2 others trailing behind.
So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!
The fact you don't play your games as a reason for P2W, P2A or PFC isn't a problem is about as weak an argument as you can get. If you don't care about the competitive aspect of a PvP game, then why do you play them?
Oh for fuck sakes! I owe you an apology. I clearly missed the part where there is only one way of playing.
Except the very post made by you that was quoted before says "So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!" Contradicting yourself much? Just because you play a game and have no worry or care about reaching max level doesn't mean others do not. Just because you don't think XP boosts are a big deal doesn't mean others aren't concerned.
Not to mention that we aren't entirely sure *what* will be in the cash shop... two weeks before EA. This doesn't seem at all sketch to you?
Any advantage gained through monetary means outside of a subscription is pay to win (p2w).
Even if it was +1 to every stat for a 1000 dollar fee, that would still be p2w. Even if a skin was offered that increased 1 skill's cooldown, damage, etc for a meager addition would be considered p2w. Going from A to B in means of leveling progression due to monetary payment is p2w. Literally anything that REQUIRES money to get the benefit -- is p2w. Is it not only cosmetic/aesthetic if it BENEFITS your progression -- which is also known as p2w.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Level boost is hardly a fucking deal breaker for ANY GAME!
LVL boost is in just about every PREMIUM/Subbase game now.
OMG P2W FEATURE! MY ASS!
ADVANTAGE! MY ASS!
Good luck with your crusade!
The funny thing about absolutes is, you're generally always wrong. BDO is just one game where xp boosts is in fact p2w. It takes years to reach max level and a person who's constantly running all the xp boosts will in effect be months ahead of someone who used none even if both started at the same time and play the same amount at the same efficiency.
That ain't paying for "a public restroom" anymore. That's paying to win.
That said, obviously this doesn't pertain to Bless since supposedly you'll be able to hit max lvl in 1-2 weeks but i felt i should correct that line of thought still.
Sorry, I didn't play BDO to give a fuck about others leveling faster than me. I also don't play MMORPGs to race through the game even with the OPTION STILL available to me.
Shit, I've been playing Aion on and off since beta and have yet to have 1 maxed level character. A matter a fact I finally hit 50 that's max level in 2009 with 2 others trailing behind.
So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!
The fact you don't play your games as a reason for P2W, P2A or PFC isn't a problem is about as weak an argument as you can get. If you don't care about the competitive aspect of a PvP game, then why do you play them?
Oh for fuck sakes! I owe you an apology. I clearly missed the part where there is only one way of playing.
Except the very post made by you that was quoted before says "So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!" Contradicting yourself much? Just because you play a game and have no worry or care about reaching max level doesn't mean others do not. Just because you don't think XP boosts are a big deal doesn't mean others aren't concerned.
Not to mention that we aren't entirely sure *what* will be in the cash shop... two weeks before EA. This doesn't seem at all sketch to you?
That wasn't me asserting the opposition, it's called sarcasm.
I think people should try to look at this the other way around.
Back when Wow launched, I paid 60$ to buy it, then 15$ for the first month.
Now with Bless, I can pay 25$, then buy 50$ of exp boost (if available) which will prolly get me to max level faster. That what you would pay for WoW, so you can pay it for Bless.
Don't want to? Well World of warcraft didn't give you the choice. But in Bless, you can! Pay 25$, take 2-3 more days to levels and you are good to go! For 50$ less!!
With the current info, I don't see anything wrong with their cash shop.
Leveling is not an issue in this game to consider boosts as P2W, because at the end of the line everyone will be at the same level, it considered P2W if the leveling experience scale too high that having the boost will grant you too much advantage over others, generally speaking the label itself just depends on how much advantage you get compared to playing normally.
Soooooooo can you sell skins on the auction house for in-game currency? Can you buy character power with in-game currency? If the answer to both of these is yes, then it's P2W. No matter if there's a UI function, or you have to go through the hurdles of buying and selling items, trading real money for in-game currency when in-game currency is used for character power is the definition of P2W.
Man, I'm so sick of this "Shop only has cosmetics guise! No P2W!!" P2W isn't about cash shop content. It's about enabling legal RMT within your game and having a backwards "be rich, be powerful" character progression design.
BDO was B2P. BDO enabled selling cash shop items on the MB. Sure, it really wasn't an efficient P2W, but the whales don't give a damn about that. You could still buy upgrades with your unending real life wealth.
I think people should try to look at this the other way around.
Back when Wow launched, I paid 60$ to buy it, then 15$ for the first month.
Now with Bless, I can pay 25$, then buy 50$ of exp boost (if available) which will prolly get me to max level faster. That what you would pay for WoW, so you can pay it for Bless.
Don't want to? Well World of warcraft didn't give you the choice. But in Bless, you can! Pay 25$, take 2-3 more days to levels and you are good to go! For 50$ less!!
With the current info, I don't see anything wrong with their cash shop.
Hard to compare the two really....WoW launched in an era where people knew they had to pay for everything....P2P was acceptable then...In 2018, we have so many options there just isn't any reason to pay big bucks at launch.
I think people should try to look at this the other way around.
Back when Wow launched, I paid 60$ to buy it, then 15$ for the first month.
Now with Bless, I can pay 25$, then buy 50$ of exp boost (if available) which will prolly get me to max level faster. That what you would pay for WoW, so you can pay it for Bless.
Don't want to? Well World of warcraft didn't give you the choice. But in Bless, you can! Pay 25$, take 2-3 more days to levels and you are good to go! For 50$ less!!
With the current info, I don't see anything wrong with their cash shop.
Except according to some here, there is little to no PvE content in Bless and the crafting system is basic. All Bless is about is variable PvP matches, from 3v3 to 100v100 with the main PvE feature content being a pokemon version of mount and pet collection.
So, you're basically paying $25 for a glorified battle royale, instead of $60 for a fully fleshed out MMORPG. Nothing wrong with this at all, except I was under the impression Bless was going to be an MMORPG.
But.. it is an MMORPG... there's a lot more to do in the game than just PvP matches. There is a considerable amount of dungeon and taming content, despite the premise of it being primarily PvP focused for end game, that doesn't mean it's only PvP all the time.
If XP boosts aren't a thing, neither is getting "ganked" by higher level people.
If we all can agree to the above then XP boosts isn't a thing, and I'll concede to that.
XP boosts = doing higher level content way faster, getting geared faster, and dominating faster with impunity and being able to control important progress areas. It's one thing to do this on your own accord, it's another to do it with a potion or "boost"
The same people acting like the above isn't true are the same people who will be complaining about it or who wouldn't even play. I'm pretty sure of it.
Also I think if you're an in the emissary program or have some fanatic level stake in Bless you should state it before making retorts. I was interested in Bless and gave it a chance. Anything I've seen and pointed out has been from a place of interest and response to what has been provided (or withheld). Watching the same people come out as Bless Defense League repeatedly raises red flags. You guys talking about DMKano but you're not any different IMHO.
I've said those exact worlds as well.
While a XP boost 2 months in the game might be OK, having it from the get-go is p2w no matter how you look at it.
On more than few games I've had friends that would be hyped about a game and then when they start and see how far ahead others are even though it's been 2-3 days they get discouraged and often times just go to another game.
This is what's going to happen with this game with an XP boost to leveling, especially since it's a PvP game.
Anyone who like even a little for games to be fair competition would never like XP boosts, but I guess most people don't like the word "fair".
Convenience? To me this word in the gaming industry when used by players = I want to gear up and progress faster, so that I can be the boss and trump other players. And if anyone tries and tell me that they don't care about gear and progress then why would you even suggest that this is convenient? To what end? I mean if you don't care about those why would you want to skip the leveling content as fast as possible.
Anyway it's not long till the game release. I personally have said it and I'll say it again I really hope that this game somehow manages to succeed, because I genuinely want a second MMORPG I can actually enjoy beside WoW, but with what I've been seeing since their Press event, I'm getting more and more discouraged about this game's future.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Now you're just being salty cos this game isn't made by Trion lol
The XP boost potions are 20% - That in scheme of things is nothing keeping in mind you can grind to max in a few days. Also the lowest tier of XP boost on pets is 150% which again means potions are nothing.
Any advantage gained through monetary means outside of a subscription is pay to win (p2w).
Even if it was +1 to every stat for a 1000 dollar fee, that would still be p2w. Even if a skin was offered that increased 1 skill's cooldown, damage, etc for a meager addition would be considered p2w. Going from A to B in means of leveling progression due to monetary payment is p2w. Literally anything that REQUIRES money to get the benefit -- is p2w. Is it not only cosmetic/aesthetic if it BENEFITS your progression -- which is also known as p2w.
I agree, now we all need to agree whoever plays the game with the worst ISP, needs to let us all know so we can make sure the playing field is fair.
Considering a cash shop item is much more easily attainable than relocating to a location providing top notch internet speeds close to the server, I think we can let an xp boost slide.
Too many things are p2w advantages under your standards.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Now you're just being salty cos this game isn't made by Trion lol
The XP boost potions are 20% - That in scheme of things is nothing keeping in mind you can grind to max in a few days. Also the lowest tier of XP boost on pets is 150% which again means potions are nothing.
Dry your eyes and get over it.
because if anyone can level to 45 in a few days, they would never sell an XP potions.
Why wouldn't they? 100% of the things you never sale will make you 0 dollars. Of course they'd put something as innocuous as xp potions for sale and some people will buy it. It literally costs them nothing to do. It's not like they're some brick and mortar store where they have to pay for a manufacturer to make the item and shipping prices and etc.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Now you're just being salty cos this game isn't made by Trion lol
The XP boost potions are 20% - That in scheme of things is nothing keeping in mind you can grind to max in a few days. Also the lowest tier of XP boost on pets is 150% which again means potions are nothing.
Dry your eyes and get over it.
So when you got to a bank to invest money, 20% interest rate isn't better than 1%? Yeah, don't worry because everyone will be level 45 in a few days. Somehow I find this statement to be somewhat inaccurate because if anyone can level to 45 in a few days, they would never sell an XP potions.
Thats a horrible comaprison. The only way that would work logically is if whether you got the 20% or 1% interest rate it would never go above $100.
And again, if we're going to call timing P2W then every game in existence is P2W for those that buy it day one.
A lot of ado about XP bonuses. Other games have offered a premium membership with an XP bonus including ESO. I haven't heard many, if any at all, people complain about it.
An allotment of crowns to spend in the new in-game Crown Store based on your membership period (more below)
Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs for the duration of your membership
A 10% bonus to XP and gold gain, crafting research, and inspiration
Why the big deal over that? Even games that offer premium currency in effect offer XP boosts since potions and shop items that increase XP gains can be purchased.
I know definition of pay to win is subjective to each individual but I would say the big difference between ESO and Bless is that ESO has a designated PVP area and that means you are not going to get ganked unless you go there . Instanced PVP is a lot different .
My personal definition of pay to win is if significant boosts are given via a cash shop in a world PVP orientated game . So for me the XP boosts might constitute Pay to Win but that also really depends on how much of a boost it gives . If leveling is fast anyway then its not really a huge problem .
From what I understand the introduction of a subscription ( optional or not ) caused a lot of negative feedback because many players had felt Neowizz had misled them . I don't know how accurate that is because I really have only been following the game for the last few weeks . But I think they have raised enough red flags to make me adopt a wait and see approach to this game . Maybe in a few months time if player feedback and reviews are generally positive I will buy it .
Although I must say Bless does offer the element I most love in an mmo , that being faction based world pvp . I hope it does well .
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They don't. They level up faster but they are no more powerful than any other player at the same level. If you are worried about while leveling you are REALLY reaching, as that will be a tiny percentage of your playtime.
By that logic, every game is P2W because if you buy the game before someone else you automatically have an advantage.
That ain't paying for "a public restroom" anymore. That's paying to win.
That said, obviously this doesn't pertain to Bless since supposedly you'll be able to hit max lvl in 1-2 weeks but i felt i should correct that line of thought still.
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I am going to wait until they release all the relevant information, so I can make an informed decision if it's worth spending time on this game or not.
Lol, good luck with that. I guarantee you can get a refund if this so called D/L time etc has passed. Anyone who lets that happen has no idea how the world works. You can get a refund on almost anything , way past the time the supposed company says. Including this company.
I also don't play MMORPGs to race through the game even with the OPTION STILL available to me.
Shit, I've been playing Aion on and off since beta and have yet to have 1 maxed level character.
A matter a fact I finally hit 50 that's max level in 2009 with 2 others trailing behind.
So, yeah this sad story about XP Boost is really breaking my fucking heart!
I owe you an apology.
I clearly missed the part where there is only one way of playing.
The first mmo I bought and hated was WoW and back then I was bringing in $0 a week... I managed to survive then; I think I'd survive now.
I think this will be one of my 'keep an eye on it and see where it goes' games; not that it's moving anywhere from where it has been as it's been in that position on my radar since I first heard about it years ago.
Self-publishing is a risky move. Time will tell if they plan to keep their word on the cash shop or not, and whether that risky move was made because they truly believe in their product... or if it's just an underhanded way of trying to make a quick buck with the gullible whales here in NA.
Either way, it's clear this game and company is already facing some struggles, and I'd honestly rather not invest in the game if it turns out to be the latter of the two aforementioned options.
Oh, and as other posters have mentioned, I'm in agreement that what 'works' in a PvE-centric game (and let's face it, GW2, ESO, FFXIV, WoW... are mostly PvE games despite their PvP elements) does not work in a PvP-focused game. What could be a minor convenience boost that effects nobody in PvE can have serious and damaging effects on a PvP community.
Contradicting yourself much?
Just because you play a game and have no worry or care about reaching max level doesn't mean others do not. Just because you don't think XP boosts are a big deal doesn't mean others aren't concerned.
Not to mention that we aren't entirely sure *what* will be in the cash shop... two weeks before EA. This doesn't seem at all sketch to you?
Even if it was +1 to every stat for a 1000 dollar fee, that would still be p2w. Even if a skin was offered that increased 1 skill's cooldown, damage, etc for a meager addition would be considered p2w. Going from A to B in means of leveling progression due to monetary payment is p2w. Literally anything that REQUIRES money to get the benefit -- is p2w. Is it not only cosmetic/aesthetic if it BENEFITS your progression -- which is also known as p2w.
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Back when Wow launched, I paid 60$ to buy it, then 15$ for the first month.
Now with Bless, I can pay 25$, then buy 50$ of exp boost (if available) which will prolly get me to max level faster. That what you would pay for WoW, so you can pay it for Bless.
Don't want to? Well World of warcraft didn't give you the choice. But in Bless, you can! Pay 25$, take 2-3 more days to levels and you are good to go! For 50$ less!!
With the current info, I don't see anything wrong with their cash shop.
Man, I'm so sick of this "Shop only has cosmetics guise! No P2W!!" P2W isn't about cash shop content. It's about enabling legal RMT within your game and having a backwards "be rich, be powerful" character progression design.
BDO was B2P. BDO enabled selling cash shop items on the MB. Sure, it really wasn't an efficient P2W, but the whales don't give a damn about that. You could still buy upgrades with your unending real life wealth.
I've said those exact worlds as well.
While a XP boost 2 months in the game might be OK, having it from the get-go is p2w no matter how you look at it.
On more than few games I've had friends that would be hyped about a game and then when they start and see how far ahead others are even though it's been 2-3 days they get discouraged and often times just go to another game.
This is what's going to happen with this game with an XP boost to leveling, especially since it's a PvP game.
Anyone who like even a little for games to be fair competition would never like XP boosts, but I guess most people don't like the word "fair".
Convenience? To me this word in the gaming industry when used by players = I want to gear up and progress faster, so that I can be the boss and trump other players. And if anyone tries and tell me that they don't care about gear and progress then why would you even suggest that this is convenient? To what end? I mean if you don't care about those why would you want to skip the leveling content as fast as possible.
Anyway it's not long till the game release. I personally have said it and I'll say it again I really hope that this game somehow manages to succeed, because I genuinely want a second MMORPG I can actually enjoy beside WoW, but with what I've been seeing since their Press event, I'm getting more and more discouraged about this game's future.
Now you're just being salty cos this game isn't made by Trion lol
The XP boost potions are 20% - That in scheme of things is nothing keeping in mind you can grind to max in a few days. Also the lowest tier of XP boost on pets is 150% which again means potions are nothing.
Dry your eyes and get over it.
I agree, now we all need to agree whoever plays the game with the worst ISP, needs to let us all know so we can make sure the playing field is fair.
Considering a cash shop item is much more easily attainable than relocating to a location providing top notch internet speeds close to the server, I think we can let an xp boost slide.
Too many things are p2w advantages under your standards.
You better be playing with min specs too.
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And again, if we're going to call timing P2W then every game in existence is P2W for those that buy it day one.
I know definition of pay to win is subjective to each individual but I would say the big difference between ESO and Bless is that ESO has a designated PVP area and that means you are not going to get ganked unless you go there . Instanced PVP is a lot different .
My personal definition of pay to win is if significant boosts are given via a cash shop in a world PVP orientated game . So for me the XP boosts might constitute Pay to Win but that also really depends on how much of a boost it gives . If leveling is fast anyway then its not really a huge problem .
From what I understand the introduction of a subscription ( optional or not ) caused a lot of negative feedback because many players had felt Neowizz had misled them . I don't know how accurate that is because I really have only been following the game for the last few weeks . But I think they have raised enough red flags to make me adopt a wait and see approach to this game . Maybe in a few months time if player feedback and reviews are generally positive I will buy it .
Although I must say Bless does offer the element I most love in an mmo , that being faction based world pvp . I hope it does well .