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Apple Says no to Steam games

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    For all the hate that Apple gets, they have done some good things.  They introduced the mouse and GUI to consumers, they pushed SSDs early, they created OpenCL, and they killed Flash.
  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,044
    Quizzical said:
    For all the hate that Apple gets, they have done some good things.  They introduced the mouse and GUI to consumers, they pushed SSDs early, they created OpenCL, and they killed Flash.
    Man I really want to invoke Godwin's Law but I won't.


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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Quizzical said:
    For all the hate that Apple gets, they have done some good things.  They introduced the mouse and GUI to consumers, they pushed SSDs early, they created OpenCL, and they killed Flash.
    OpenCL was created by the Khronos group... and that's not just apple.
    And about mouse and GUI, yeah, they just stole it from Xerox ;)

    Apple is great.
    OpenCL was created by Apple and then given to the Khronos group.  It's kind of like how AMD created Mantle, basically gave it to the Khronos group, where it then turned into Vulkan.

    I'm not saying that everything Apple does is awesome.  But if you dislike Apple, you can avoid buying their products and mostly avoid whatever you dislike about them.  That's very different from how Facebook will try to track, gather, and sell information about you even if you try to avoid them.
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 2,736
    edited May 2018
    My dad is a computer programmer, has been as long as I have been alive. Growing up we were a PC household. Now he is a die hard mac user. I'm writing this on a Macbook my dad bought me to help with college. Apple machines have gotten much better over the years. They are very good at what they do.

    I have had this computer for years. Never had a serious virus. I have never owned a Smartphone other than an iPhone. Never had a serious virus. My fiancé who was buying Samsung phones switched to an iPhone with her latest purchase after like her 3rd phone died since I purchased my last iPhone.

    Apple computers are absolutely great for photo editing, video editing, coding, web development etc. You have a machine that is ironclad against viruses and can do all these tasks very easily. You want a reliable machine for work or school.

    I own a PC desktop for gaming. Wouldn't have it any other way. Desktops are the most powerful gaming machines for your money and far easier to fix if something goes wrong since they are way easier to open up and swap parts out. PCs are the one true gaming machine unless you want a VERY limited list of games you can play.

    If you purchase an Apple product as a gaming machine, you are just wrong. Doesn't mean they are bad machines.
  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    There are a couple of reasons that MAC doesn't get viruses often.  One is they own far less of the desktop market share so they are not targeted as much.  OSX is built on top of Unix which is built for security.  Apple is a closed garden so everything goes through their store unless you change an option that says you can install 3rd party apps.

    I've had Windows 10 for a while now and haven't gotten any viruses.  I prefer the option to be able to buy my own hardware and install whatever third party apps I would like to by default.  There are a lot of addons like ad block and script safe that will greatly reduce your chance of getting viruses when browsing the web.

    Being a computer programmer your dad probably can make more money out of Apples closed garden environment because there is not nearly as much competition in terms of apps being produced and places they are sold.  That is why the apps on Windows and Android are much cheaper.

    MACs are good PCs, but they are quite overpriced for what they give you and they really limit your freedom of choice.  Of course you could still install Windows with boot camp, but you still have to pay for the over priced hardware and take whatever Apple decides to give you.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    I would not say no to using their products, but to date have had to reason to get one. The Surface Pro is it may be my first one ever, but that decision is done the line a bit.
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 2,736
    Eh. Like I said my dad is a professional as well. Like had his own team of programers under him, was involved in the hiring process, and from what I understand had about the top performing team in his company kind of professional before he went on to manage the IT department at a more local company (The one that provides power for the entire area) that didn't have him commuting as far, and then retired last year.

    And he is not alone in choosing mac among professionals. My brother was valedictorian of his graphic design course at Full Sale university and also does his work on a Mac. 

    Like I said. In my experience windows are much more virus prone. In my experience iPhones are one of the most resilient phones you can buy which is why my diehard "I don't want an iPhone!" fiancé got one after she saw the difference in how often we needed to get new phones. I don't lease phones because I continue to use older iPhone models for many years longer than than the leases extend. The difference in replacement rate has actually ended up with me spending less money on phones per year than she did before making the switch.

    Sure you can build a more powerful PC for cheaper, but I know when I'm on my PC, I'm very careful about what I download and install and what websites I visit even with some annoying anti-virus protecting it. On a Mac I have no anti-virus, and I browse and download whatever I want because it has never been an issue. Ever. Mac viruses do exist but I have yet to encounter one. This laptop was pricey but it's already lasted longer than any of my PC laptops ever did.
  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    Most of what you listen is personal preference.  It matters little the credentials of the person who is using said device. 

    As I said you father is a programmer and  can get higher prices for selling things through the MAC store.  A lot of programmers prefer Macs for that reason.  That doesn't always make it better for the user depending on what they want.

    Your brother is an artist and Macs have always been used a lot for that specific purpose.  Where I work we use Windows PCs for our department that handles art and they do fine.  The software really isn't that different.  It is just fancier.  We have been using the same Windows PCs in our building for about 10 years without replacement and few of them actually have broken.

    There is no question Macs have a better build quality in most cases and last longer, but you sacrifice a great deal for that.  It's a very closed door environment.  Not all people like to be told what is best for them.  Some PCs and Android devices are of high quality and last a long time.  I've been using my latest PC and Android devices (including phone) for a number of years.  I built a PC myself and I have both a Samsung Galaxy tab s2 8 inch along with a Nexus 5x.  I've been using them for quite a while now. 

    Most people who use Macs do so because they don't care about freedom.  They just want security and reliability.  The price usually doesn't matter to such people either.  All they are interested in is will it get the job done for what they need and will it's design impress people who look at it.  This is fairly usual of people like artists.  That's fine, but again not everyone is the same and wants that.  The market share for desktops says differently.  Most Apple people use Iphones and Ipads which uses IOS.  That OS may be secure, but it has zero freedom of choice available to the user.

    In terms of viruses I haven't gotten any in Windows 10. 
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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617
    edited May 2018
    Why all the hate for apple.  Steam is taking 30% of your PC games too.

    how does google handle the situation on android phone?
  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    You can use third party apps on OSX as I said, but it is disabled by default.  You have to allow third party apps to be installed. 

    In terms of hardware there is really no freedom of choice.  Some high end desktop Macs sometimes give you the option for an expansion card.  That's about it if you are lucky. 

    The biggest problem with Mac desktops is that they really don't have a big market share.  Most businesses use Windows and even at home most people use Windows.  Usually this is because of all the 3rd party apps for Windows that have written over the years and the larger freedom of choice you get with them.

    I think if Apple were to ever take over the computer market they would force everyone through their walled garden on OSX as well.  I also can't imagine everyone using the same hardware.  That would suck. 

    In honesty I would rather use LInux than either.  The reason I use Windows is for games and the ability to use the hardware I want.  It is also a bit easier than Linux and I have pretty decent programming and scripting skills.  Linux can occasionally be a pain in terms of setting it up or setting software up depending on the distribution and packages, but it is completely customize able  in most cases.  IT's also great for playing old Windows games in WINE.  Sometimes it works better than in newer versions of Windows.
  • RellzRellz Member UncommonPosts: 46
    No skin off Steam nose.
  • phantomghostphantomghost Member UncommonPosts: 738
    Apple... alienware all a waste of money.
    EvilGeek

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Torval said:
    Scot said:
    I would not say no to using their products, but to date have had to reason to get one. The Surface Pro is it may be my first one ever, but that decision is done the line a bit.
    Surface Pro is Microsoft's line. iPad is Apple's. I just got a Surface Pro 4 for my wife. It's really nice. I'm glad I chose it over other traditional hardware partners.

    I loved my iPhone when I had one (6S with 64GB nand). It was the best phone experience I had to date. They charge a premium for the gear but I get why. I just found that Android and Pixel 2 fit everything I wanted for less than half the price. If I was going to do Apple, I'd go all in and do the whole ecosystem.

    It's a very powerful platform. It's certified UNIX and you can do pretty much anything on it you can do in Linux. If you're just a Windows user or gamer that might not mean much but to administrators and developers that's huge.

    This whole "fiasco" is not new. It stems from Apple's rule that they take a cut of "in-app" or "store-in-store" purchases. Apple's cut is 30% no matter what. This caused a long standing feud with Amazon who disabled purchases through their iPhone app.

    So the bottom line is Apple takes 30% and in order to allow Steam on their platform Valve would need to track purchases made through iOS. They would have to pay Apple 30% of the gross. Valve doesn't want to do that. So it's not so cut and dried and it's all about money with both Apple and Valve unwilling to budge.
    Clearly I have even less reason to buy Apple than I thought, and actually have to get back to looking at 2in1's. :D
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    edited May 2018
    Tiller said:
    This is why I have a hard time with anything Apple. God forbid anyone who isn't Apple desecrate their precious Apple platform with fun or creativity. If they can't have a piece of the transactions pie, then dammit no one will.



    I cannot think of one reason I would need a steam client on my iphone.  So your entire point is rather meaningless from my point of view.  You did not even bother to list why you think you need it to start with.  You might want to include such information next time.

    To anyone saying you can stream pc games to your phone all I can say is ROFL.
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  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380
    I used to a be a hardcore fanboi of these different products.  I used to be a raging NVIDIA fanboy, Intel Crusader, Android defender... ect

    But as I get older, I've learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.  If someone wants an Apple, I don't try to talk them down anymore.  I just point out the pros and cons of each, and there really are pros and cons of each.  

    The reason that I don't personally use Apple products is twofold.  First, I don't want to be identified with the black turtleneck hipster crowd.  If I started replacing all of my gadgets with Apple gadgets, then I'm not only buying the product, but it feels like I'm buying into the culture too, and it's not a culture I want to be associated with personally.

    Second, I prefer as much freedom as I can get to do what I want to do with my devices.  Apple always reminds me of that Star Wars quote when it comes to controlling their product "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."  They have such a tight grip on their products and what you can install on them, for instance, that it just isn't for me.

    If I want an app that does something and it's not in the Apple store, then I'm screwed.  But on Android I can install pretty much whatever I want, buy buyer beware.  If the Android store removes an app, then I put my phone in developer mode and install it from a third party site.  Fuck em, it's my phone and I'll do what I want.

    That being said, when my mom and dad come visit and literally every single computer, phone, ipod, tablet... ect is an Apple product, I just let it go.  Hey, they've bought in to the culture and the life, and they like it, who am I to try and change their mind?

    All of that wall of text being said, neither Apple nor Steam really benefit from a collaboration here, so it's not really hard to see why it failed.
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  • l2avism2l2avism2 Member UncommonPosts: 38
    Kyleran said:
    Sux, but "real PC gamers" should not own iPhones anyways.

    Android Master Race 

    ;)
    Unfortunately Android sucks just as much as IOS. I'm waiting on a decent Linux phone/tablet.
    Google and Apple can go to hell.
    maskedweasel
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    Not really surprising considering how often Steam forces updates on the PC.  Maybe Apple doesn't want to be part of that as well as not getting any income.  Apple store downloads cost them money to provide.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • DvoraDvora Member UncommonPosts: 499
    edited May 2018
    Ya apple sucks balls, their OS interface used to be their one selling point, and then graphics design horsepower, and now imo even those are crap. 

    IMO with hardware, once you buy it it is yours, you should be able to run anything on it that you can get to run.  Anything else is anticompetitive and should be illegal.

    It pisses me off to no end that my company buys apple shitware for all phones and tablets.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Torval said:
    Scot said:

    Clearly I have even less reason to buy Apple than I thought, and actually have to get back to looking at 2in1's. :D
    You should look at the other two models in the lineup too. There is the Surface Book 2 with discrete graphics (1060). It works as a laptop but the keyboard is detachable through a latch. It can work in tablet mode. It's more like a real 2in1. If I were to get a laptop now this would be it, but I don't travel for work anymore so no need.

    The Surface Pro 4 is tablet with a magnetic keyboard cover. It's very powerful though and runs full Win10 Home. It will play light games. This is what I got for my wife.

    The Surface Laptop is like an ultralight laptop. The keyboard doesn't detach. I'm not sure what they're going for with this model. It's not more powerful than the Surface Pro. I think it's a little cheaper at each hardware config point. I wasn't that impressed with it.

    Surface line is Microsoft's answer to Apple. It's high quality hardware that works at a premium price. For me it's worth it. I used to buy ASUS for portable. There was always something, some shortcut, crappy cheap piece of hardware, wacky kludge, funky wifi, or weird audio issue of some kind. Half the time it was their third party software or some other thing. I got tired of it.

    Check out this page.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/compare-devices
    Well it needs to be as light as possible and play the games I really don't need my stonking PC for, but mostly it will be used for reading and watching videos.

    Bringing up the sites I was looking at last year ((not that I procrastinate on decisions or anything :) )) the only other one I liked the look of was the Lenovo.
  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,759
    Apple is like this place I used to work, where the boss had the ideology "no one ever got ahead by following others". However, what that meant was everything thecompany did was opposite or different just to be different; obviously not the best idea. Anyways, that is how I think about Apple - Making everything opposite or different for no other reason than that, and of course in the process gets a few clean hits, but also a shitload of misses.
    (this was written on an iPad)
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