How do they expect a positive 'hype' review if their game does not reflect that many years of development?
The game is probably going to be one of the best ones out there, but the negative actions behind the scenes, for what ever reason will affect the games success.
It shouldn't, but it will affect the games success... As it does with many other games. Which is why developers try to minimize these kind of situations from getting out of control and release their game in a timely manner.
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It's clearly another fabrication from the usual goon haters to attack Star Citizen and CIG staff (now ex-staff).
You can go check John Pritchett Facebook farewell post and comment reply's to see that it's not in line with the lies fabricated in that review, which by the way in case you don't know is open to anyone to post without any kind of checking whatsoever.
If you believe that's a genuine review or you are a goon in it or so oblivious in your need to hate Star Citizen that your confirmation bias makes you believe in anything lol
People should understand by now but these sad desperate souls have been fabricating lies and deceit to attack Star Citizen for years now lol
From fake refunds, fake "bug" videos to fake glass door reviews, doxing, drama hyperbolization and god knows what more, they are pure scum and have no boundaries in their intents to attack Star Citizen no matter what.
The beauty is that they keep failing again and again while showcasing their pathetic desperation as Star Citizen keeps on going stronger and stronger lol
It's quite sad but hey that's in the internet anonymity that these immature sociopaths thrive for it because I'm sure they can't get enjoyment irl.
What I found interesting was that people on the so-called hater sites were calling it out as fake straightaway, no-one seemed to take it seriously whatsoever.
Can't say I have ever seen fake bugs, does anyone even need to do that with some of the hilarious bugs that have shown up? And who really cares about bugs? they're part of the process at this stage and should be expected, laughing at them is hardly a crime.
While there certainly has been a lot of fake claims from "haters" there has also been a lot of fake claims from the defenders, it's hardly a one-sided affair. Fake refunds posted just so that they can point at the refund sub and call it out for showing a fake refund, or people posting disingenuous twitch screenshots making the game look much more popular than it really is, or videos that portray the game in a completely different way to reality, there's propaganda from fans, haters, weirdos and trolls on boths sides of the fence.
Well if you're out of the loop I could understand how one could've mistaken it for a real thing.
Several goon videos of Star Citizen were usually edited to portray the game in worse shape that it was just for the sake of pushing the "it's all doomed" narrative.
Haters liked to put emphasis on bugs because that was one of the ammunitions to say that the game had no future, that the engine couldn't do X or Y lol.
Since gamers usually don't get access to see/play games in their development phase aka real alpha stage with a lot of bugs, crashes and glitches galore some could be manipulated and some were I'm sure lol
As for the picture with Twitch views it was posted within a context of a conversation with Kefo, it wasn't fabricated, there were really 7k+ people watching Star Citizen at some moment, now if that was because popular streamers were playing it or not it's not the point.
I didn't made a clickbait thread "Star Citizen has 1000x more viewers than Elite and EvE" on the forum like the haters do with every little drama about Star Citizen they can find.
How do they expect a positive 'hype' review if their game does not reflect that many years of development?
The game is probably going to be one of the best ones out there, but the negative actions behind the scenes, for what ever reason will affect the games success.
It shouldn't, but it will affect the games success... As it does with many other games. Which is why developers try to minimize these kind of situations from getting out of control and release their game in a timely manner.
Don't mistake crowdfunding campaign and assembling studios with active development. I know everything counts but the real meat of what's available to play now was made by the UK and German Studios who only came online in 2014 and 2015 respectively.
Most developers minimize these kind of situations by not allowing an inside look to rough earlier builds. That's why you don't have access to alpha builds of most games.
I see; those are pretty despicable lengths to go to in order to tarnish a game's reputation if indeed the review is forged.
There you go, here's John Prittchet himself confirming it:
Like I said before, there's crazy mofos out there that are willing to go to great lengths just to harm this project, that's why I say that all drama should be taken with a huge grain of salt. They have already fooled several gaming journalists into publishing bullshit with this method lol.
The good thing is that truth always comes on top and it ends up bringing awareness to their mischievous tactics lol
The good thing is that truth always comes on top and it ends up bringing awareness to their mischievous tactics lol
It's a rare sight though, on the middle of all the mess of faked stuff just to feed SC drama, what is usually a "he said she said" type of thing, glad Pritchett decided to expose it.
The good thing is that truth always comes on top and it ends up bringing awareness to their mischievous tactics lol
Just like giving a fake release date before a big ship sale
There's been big ship sales since 2012, every year they have big ship sales, with release date or without it, this year there's no release date and there's gonna be another big ship sale lol
As for the picture with Twitch views it was posted within a context of a conversation with Kefo, it wasn't fabricated, there were really 7k+ people watching Star Citizen at some moment, now if that was because popular streamers were playing it or not it's not the point.
I didn't made a clickbait thread "Star Citizen has 1000x more viewers than Elite and EvE" on the forum like the haters do with every little drama about Star Citizen they can find.
The original screenshot didn't have Elite or EVE viewer numbers added to it, so yes there were 7k viewers at that time but it used an irregular peak compared to off-peak viewer numbers for the other games so that it could pretend to be far more popular than it is for the majority of the time.
You might not have made a thread called that by you certainly made a jpeg called it.
The unedited screenshot
If the game is so good it should be able to speak for itself without people having to use selective or false information to pump it up. If it's so wrong for people to put out false information in their attempts to tear it down then doing the opposite is also wrong. I'm sure we can all agree on that?
Edit: I just want to add that having a bunch of people watching your game on twitch is a bullshit metric anyway. What's better out of the following, a game that has 5000 playing and 100,000 watching or a game that has 100,000 playing and 5000 watching?
rpmcmurphy said: The whole "You're suing the wrong company" defense reminds me of kids hiding behind a narrow tree and sing songing "You can't see me".
I actually find this suits "wrong company" hilarious, by the people who submitted them tho, just have a quick look at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos and check what company holds the contract with you, it's not hidden it's there, those people need some basic advice before shooting in random directions.
rpmcmurphy said: The whole "You're suing the wrong company" defense reminds me of kids hiding behind a narrow tree and sing songing "You can't see me".
I actually find this suits "wrong company" hilarious, by the people who submitted them tho, just have a quick look at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos and check what company holds the contract with you, it's not hidden it's there, those people need some basic advice before shotting in random directions.
I agree, people could easily look at their receipts to get the correct information. The defense that they are suing the wrong company because it's Cloud Imperium Games LLC vs Cloud Imperium Games US LLC does look funny though.
It's clearly another fabrication from the usual goon haters to attack Star Citizen and CIG staff (now ex-staff).
You can go check John Pritchett Facebook farewell post and comment reply's to see that it's not in line with the lies fabricated in that review, which by the way in case you don't know is open to anyone to post without any kind of checking whatsoever.
If you believe that's a genuine review or you are a goon in it or so oblivious in your need to hate Star Citizen that your confirmation bias makes you believe in anything lol
People should understand by now but these sad desperate souls have been fabricating lies and deceit to attack Star Citizen for years now lol
From fake refunds, fake "bug" videos to fake glass door reviews, doxing, drama hyperbolization and god knows what more, they are pure scum and have no boundaries in their intents to attack Star Citizen no matter what.
The beauty is that they keep failing again and again while showcasing their pathetic desperation as Star Citizen keeps on going stronger and stronger lol
It's quite sad but hey that's in the internet anonymity that these immature sociopaths thrive for it because I'm sure they can't get enjoyment irl.
What I found interesting was that people on the so-called hater sites were calling it out as fake straightaway, no-one seemed to take it seriously whatsoever.
Can't say I have ever seen fake bugs, does anyone even need to do that with some of the hilarious bugs that have shown up? And who really cares about bugs? they're part of the process at this stage and should be expected, laughing at them is hardly a crime.
While there certainly has been a lot of fake claims from "haters" there has also been a lot of fake claims from the defenders, it's hardly a one-sided affair. Fake refunds posted just so that they can point at the refund sub and call it out for showing a fake refund, or people posting disingenuous twitch screenshots making the game look much more popular than it really is, or videos that portray the game in a completely different way to reality, there's propaganda from fans, haters, weirdos and trolls on boths sides of the fence.
What “defenders” never learn is that all they do by arguing with “haters” is give attention to their shenanigans. Just look at this thread. It’s 6+ pages long and growing. It’s constantly bounced to the front page of the biggest MMORPG site in the world. Nobody “won”the argument. It just makes the whole community look foolish and full of drama.
So... somebody said something mean about SQ42. Big deal. Instead of letting it go... you just gave that person a megaphone to reach thousands of additional people. Honestly, knowing a bit about the Goons and similar folks... I would bet my house that a few of the ardent “defenders” are actually sock puppets. Nobody could actually care this much about a video game, but it’s absolutely something Goons would do to keep the fuel flowing on their fire.
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The original screenshot didn't have Elite or EVE viewer numbers added to it, so yes there were 7k viewers at that time but it used an irregular peak compared to off-peak viewer numbers for the other games so that it could pretend to be far more popular than it is for the majority of the time.
Well it didn't because they were 3 or 4 pages back and couldn't fit the screenshot, at the time Star Citizen had 7k viewers those were the ED and EvE viewers so nothing was fabricated.
The reason those were included is not only because they are space games but because we usually have some envious ED and EvE fanboys with shitting on Star Citizen like some kind of inferiority complex lol
How do they expect a positive 'hype' review if their game does not reflect that many years of development?
The game is probably going to be one of the best ones out there, but the negative actions behind the scenes, for what ever reason will affect the games success.
It shouldn't, but it will affect the games success... As it does with many other games. Which is why developers try to minimize these kind of situations from getting out of control and release their game in a timely manner.
Don't mistake crowdfunding campaign and assembling studios with active development. I know everything counts but the real meat of what's available to play now was made by the UK and German Studios who only came online in 2014 and 2015 respectively.
Most developers minimize these kind of situations by not allowing an inside look to rough earlier builds. That's why you don't have access to alpha builds of most games.
Hmm... Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you and have been over this before. The funding, the time it came, the resources applied - all connected to the timeline. This game has been in full development (as many have stated hundreds of employees?) for five years. It has been development for seven years. Regardless of any bias, that is a long time to produce so little. Therefore, the original OP is right, it will have an effect on the game once it is released.
What “defenders” never learn is that all they do by arguing with “haters” is give attention to their shenanigans. Just look at this thread. It’s 6+ pages long and growing. It’s constantly bounced to the front page of the biggest MMORPG site in the world. Nobody “won”the argument. It just makes the whole community look foolish and full of drama.
So... somebody said something mean about SQ42. Big deal. Instead of letting it go... you just gave that person a megaphone to reach thousands of additional people. Honestly, knowing a bit about the Goons and similar folks... I would bet my house that a few of the ardent “defenders” are actually sock puppets. Nobody could actually care this much about a video game, but it’s absolutely something Goons would do to keep the fuel flowing on their fire.
I think there are around 189,107,930 reasons that say that publicity and attention - ANY KIND of publicity and attention - is good for the Star Citizen project.
All the haters - ESPECIALLY the haters - have provided an immeasurably valuable service for Star Citizen. Keeping it in the news. They are one of the reasons for the success of this project. Helping to push it to world records. Personally i have thanked them for it here on this forum several times already. There is nothing worse for a crowdfunded game than being ignored.
You are not the only one knowing a bit (...or a lot ;-) ) about the Goons. There are PLENTY of people - pro and con, Goons or otherwise - that care THIS MUCH about certain video games.
Well it didn't because they were 3 or 4 pages back and couldn't fit the screenshot, at the time Star Citizen had 7k viewers those were the ED and EvE viewers so nothing was fabricated.
LOL, just lol.
If I took Elite's or EVE's viewer numbers at an uncommonly high peak and compared them to Star Citizen when it was at a low you would be moaning about intellectual dishonesty, haters, fake news and all the rest of it. When you do it and we discuss how it's portraying all games in a disingenuous manner you want to claim that nothing was fabricated.... the truth was fabricated.
Babuinix said: The reason those were included is not only because they are space games but because we usually have some envious ED and EvE fanboys with shitting on Star Citizen like some kind of inferiority complex lol
By your own words then, you did this to get some sort of payback. You used selective propoganda while also moaning about people using false stories and clickbait headlines. You complain about bullshitting while participating in it to get revenge. Do you not see how that reduces the integrity of any position you might take?
Maybe go back and check the context. Nothing was fabricated and there's no propaganda, you said yourself twitch views hold superficial value based on context so no need all that fuss tbh. It's not like I made a thread about it on the Elite forum
Do you not see how that reduces the integrity of any position you might take?
If you've followed any of his posting you'd see he doesn't really care about his integrity. He's just here to promote SC and spark reaction on anyone who criticizes the BDSSE.
think about sc from someone that isn't religiously following it.
--> Have heard plenty of opinions from people not following it closely.
It's a complete disaster.
--> Gaming journalists seem to disagree.
it's pretty
--> Check
it has a load of money
---> Check.
delayed none stop
--> Delayed yes, for good reasons
apparently has a singleplayer campaign seperate from the game that's also delayed none stop
--> Squadron 42 delayed yes, for good reasons
has seen a first person module
--> ?? I am not sure if this refers to the overall first-person perspective in the game or such modules like the Hangar Module
you can fly around and do nothing because only assets are made and no actual real game
--> You can fly around and walk around and already do plenty, especially if you cooperate with other players. There are thousands of YouTube videos of players doing all kinds of things. Here in this forum you will find a long and varied thread with high class fan-made videos about what you can already do in game.
If "haters" are so good for the popularity of the game, why are you guys keep on calling them derogatory names? You should be thanking them more often
I DO thank them on a regular basis.
It does not change their nature however - so we call them for what they are.
Fans talking about a thing they like for years or even decades is normal. Haters talking about a video game they do not like .... for 5+ years ..... is just sad. But hey, EVERYONE has its uses. Even haters. Perfect bump automatons.
In the meantime I just enjoy the current Alpha version of Star Citizen together with my friends.
If "haters" are so good for the popularity of the game, why are you guys keep on calling them derogatory names? You should be thanking them more often
I DO thank them on a regular basis.
It does not change their nature however - so we call them for what they are.
Fans talking about a thing they like for years or even decades is normal. Haters talking about a video game they do not like .... for 5+ years ..... is just sad. But hey, EVERYONE has its uses. Even haters. Perfect bump automatons.
In the meantime I just enjoy the current Alpha version of Star Citizen together with my friends.
Have fun
Lol yeah of course you do. SC alpha has more content than other AAA games right?
As for bump automatons, I'd say they do the gaming community a service. Someone needs to keep those white knights and their propaganda in check!
Just imagine if more people had pre-purchased SQ42 expecting a June/18 release
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The whole "You're suing the wrong company" defense reminds me of kids hiding behind a narrow tree and sing songing "You can't see me".
How do they expect a positive 'hype' review if their game does not reflect that many years of development?
The game is probably going to be one of the best ones out there, but the negative actions behind the scenes, for what ever reason will affect the games success.
It shouldn't, but it will affect the games success... As it does with many other games. Which is why developers try to minimize these kind of situations from getting out of control and release their game in a timely manner.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
>>>>
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You might not have made a thread called that by you certainly made a jpeg called it.
The unedited screenshot
If the game is so good it should be able to speak for itself without people having to use selective or false information to pump it up. If it's so wrong for people to put out false information in their attempts to tear it down then doing the opposite is also wrong. I'm sure we can all agree on that?
Edit: I just want to add that having a bunch of people watching your game on twitch is a bullshit metric anyway. What's better out of the following, a game that has 5000 playing and 100,000 watching or a game that has 100,000 playing and 5000 watching?
So... somebody said something mean about SQ42. Big deal. Instead of letting it go... you just gave that person a megaphone to reach thousands of additional people. Honestly, knowing a bit about the Goons and similar folks... I would bet my house that a few of the ardent “defenders” are actually sock puppets. Nobody could actually care this much about a video game, but it’s absolutely something Goons would do to keep the fuel flowing on their fire.
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If I took Elite's or EVE's viewer numbers at an uncommonly high peak and compared them to Star Citizen when it was at a low you would be moaning about intellectual dishonesty, haters, fake news and all the rest of it.
When you do it and we discuss how it's portraying all games in a disingenuous manner you want to claim that nothing was fabricated.... the truth was fabricated.
By your own words then, you did this to get some sort of payback. You used selective propoganda while also moaning about people using false stories and clickbait headlines. You complain about bullshitting while participating in it to get revenge. Do you not see how that reduces the integrity of any position you might take?
Maybe go back and check the context. Nothing was fabricated and there's no propaganda, you said yourself twitch views hold superficial value based on context so no need all that fuss tbh. It's not like I made a thread about it on the Elite forum
It's a complete disaster.
- it's pretty
- it has a load of money
- delayed none stop
- apparently has a singleplayer campaign seperate from the game that's also delayed none stop
- has seen a first person module
- you can fly around and do nothing because only assets are made and no actual real game
in what, 5+ years?If "haters" are so good for the popularity of the game, why are you guys keep on calling them derogatory names?
You should be thanking them more often
..Cake..
He's just here to promote SC and spark reaction on anyone who criticizes the BDSSE.
..Cake..
SC alpha has more content than other AAA games right?
As for bump automatons, I'd say they do the gaming community a service.
Someone needs to keep those white knights and their propaganda in check!
Just imagine if more people had pre-purchased SQ42 expecting a June/18 release
..Cake..