Like i said earlier in this thread , I and others on this site and elswhere have lobbied for and asked for this change for 5 years now...
I do nt see XL games doing it without the Cosmetic Cash shop , but i also see other things in the shop , relative to farming etc ..
But IMO , Trion is desperate , they were desperate with Rift Prime
They were desperate with Defiance 2050
They were desperate with Devilian dibacle
They are desperate with recent layoffs ..
Some sub servers to Archage is a desperation move , they are in some trouble ..
All that being said and IMO , AA sub server with Cosmetic only shop would do well , extremely well.. They would need several .. But there is some collateral damage with this .. There others servers would be ghost towns but for the biggest whales , and very unhappy whales ..etc ..
So I am sticking to my theory - maybe nothing happens, maybe some variant of P2P happens - or maybe the players get what they've been asking for years.
Could you trust that a sub-only model wouldn't eventually start including p2w elements?
I doubt they would ever release a sub or p2p model that WOULDN'T have a cash shop with p2w elements. In the Jake Song (returning executive producer) interview a few months ago, he stated that fixing the gear gap so that those who invest a lot of time won't have an insurmountable advantage over casuals, is the main goal right now.
He also said that EVERYBODY hates the new trade system lol. They just need to bring back trade from the launch version...
Welcome to the boards!
Does seem to me that what Jake Song is saying is "We need an excuse to make the cash shop more P2W...Ok lets blame people who play the game more than those who can't be bothered." Not an AA player here, so I may have got the wrong end of the stick?
If you know they just take out the regrade system of dungeon gear and it can go to legendary by feeding other dungeon gear. Also they add new gear that you can't regrade and also untradeable . You can get a free mounts and mounts armor by grinding mobs without spending real money in the cash shop. I guess xlgame have already non p2w version of archeage and it's up for publisher if they want p2w or not.
Like i said earlier in this thread , I and others on this site and elswhere have lobbied for and asked for this change for 5 years now...
I do nt see XL games doing it without the Cosmetic Cash shop , but i also see other things in the shop , relative to farming etc ..
But IMO , Trion is desperate , they were desperate with Rift Prime
They were desperate with Defiance 2050
They were desperate with Devilian dibacle
They are desperate with recent layoffs ..
Some sub servers to Archage is a desperation move , they are in some trouble ..
All that being said and IMO , AA sub server with Cosmetic only shop would do well , extremely well.. They would need several .. But there is some collateral damage with this .. There others servers would be ghost towns but for the biggest whales , and very unhappy whales ..etc ..
Your last point says why they honestly wont do it. Lets be honest hear, its easy enough for a whale to drop at least 1000$ on AA in a week. You would need about 50 ppl all with some cosmetic transactions in a MONTH to equal what ONE whale pays in a week. Its just a net loss unless they pull in 10k people every month. Is it possible for them to do that? Honestly, Bless Online has showed us that people still want a game like AA used to be, so its possible. But when you have the idea of 100 whales being able to equal the amount of 10k players in the same month, you'll want it. And even though Trion wants it both ways, they know they can't get it, mainly because those whales will just convert due to popularity. So honestly, a sub only server (and as you mentioned before, there would need to be multiple), would have to be a moral thing on their part since they know they would lose a lot of revenue long term by either the slowing down of whales or straight up conversion. The only thing I can suggest to them is to release a sub client of AA under a different name, mainly because people seem to be suckers for this lately and whales will still keep their AA active while trying the "new" game.
Like i said earlier in this thread , I and others on this site and elswhere have lobbied for and asked for this change for 5 years now...
I do nt see XL games doing it without the Cosmetic Cash shop , but i also see other things in the shop , relative to farming etc ..
But IMO , Trion is desperate , they were desperate with Rift Prime
They were desperate with Defiance 2050
They were desperate with Devilian dibacle
They are desperate with recent layoffs ..
Some sub servers to Archage is a desperation move , they are in some trouble ..
All that being said and IMO , AA sub server with Cosmetic only shop would do well , extremely well.. They would need several .. But there is some collateral damage with this .. There others servers would be ghost towns but for the biggest whales , and very unhappy whales ..etc ..
Your last point says why they honestly wont do it. Lets be honest hear, its easy enough for a whale to drop at least 1000$ on AA in a week. You would need about 50 ppl all with some cosmetic transactions in a MONTH to equal what ONE whale pays in a week. Its just a net loss unless they pull in 10k people every month. Is it possible for them to do that? Honestly, Bless Online has showed us that people still want a game like AA used to be, so its possible. But when you have the idea of 100 whales being able to equal the amount of 10k players in the same month, you'll want it. And even though Trion wants it both ways, they know they can't get it, mainly because those whales will just convert due to popularity. So honestly, a sub only server (and as you mentioned before, there would need to be multiple), would have to be a moral thing on their part since they know they would lose a lot of revenue long term by either the slowing down of whales or straight up conversion. The only thing I can suggest to them is to release a sub client of AA under a different name, mainly because people seem to be suckers for this lately and whales will still keep their AA active while trying the "new" game.
At some point the whales will stop spending, where a new sub only server would draw in a clientele that largely walked away and hasn't spent anything in years.
If AA has shown any real strategy the past few years it is "let's launch a new server."
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I can only hope the publishers and studios perpetuating hostile consumer practices start going out of business. If a few larger studios start to tank maybe it will put enough pressure on the rest of the industry to change trajectory.
A sub to avoid needless bullshit p2w? Sad to say but I think it's the best option in the west. Only a few games can pull off free to play or buy to play, and one of them you pretty much still have to subscribe to even enjoy.
I think thats clearly what AA playerbase wants - p2p without a cash shop.
will XL and TrinoPlz make it happen?
time will tell - 5.0 would be great time for this to happen
If they did this and made a PvE server I will be on it like white on rice.
The question I have is why didn't Trion offer a pure sub server for Rift
Prime? If they are enthusiastic about subscription servers then why did
they try and shoehorn as much cash shop in to Prime as they could
without rocking the community boat? If they didn't do that for Rift, why
would they do that for AA?
If AA fans can get Trion and XL to offer a sub-only AA then more power to them. I hope it's super popular and takes off so other games will try it out.
The reason in both cases is Whales , i did a pretty lenghty post when the Prime server was revealed with its model ..
But basically they have painted themselves into a corner ..
And the reason the set up Prime to filter into Premium .. at the end of its life ...
The whales have kept Rift alive ( and AA) for Trion , you cant abandon them now .. This must weigh heavily on there choices , upset the whale community and kiss all that money away that has carried Rift and AA for Trion ... Its a very slippery slope but one some of us knew would come ..
By offering a Sub only server for AA the live P2W servers will be ghost towns accept for the fattest whales . same with Rift and the reason the set it up like they did ...If they piss off the Whales and lose them it may cripple them beyond recovery
The question I have is why didn't Trion offer a pure sub server for Rift
Prime? If they are enthusiastic about subscription servers then why did
they try and shoehorn as much cash shop in to Prime as they could
without rocking the community boat? If they didn't do that for Rift, why
would they do that for AA?
If AA fans can get Trion and XL to offer a sub-only AA then more power to them. I hope it's super popular and takes off so other games will try it out.
The reason in both cases is Whales , i did a pretty lenghty post when the Prime server was revealed with its model ..
But basically they have painted themselves into a corner ..
And the reason the set up Prime to filter into Premium .. at the end of its life ...
The whales have kept Rift alive ( and AA) for Trion , you cant abandon them now .. This must weigh heavily on there choices , upset the whale community and kiss all that money away that has carried Rift and AA for Trion ... Its a very slippery slope but one some of us knew would come ..
By offering a Sub only server for AA the live P2W servers will be ghost towns accept for the fattest whales . same with Rift and the reason the set it up like they did ...If they piss off the Whales and lose them it may cripple them beyond recovery
But Trion is very desperate this past year ...
Maybe it's time older games start to insulate themselves from the affects of whales ditching their game.
I still have a month of Rift sub time in my 2 access codes. I'm saving them for this fall/winter but I'm not going to play Prime. I'm going to play Live because I had more fun with pets and achievements. I enjoy playing the leader boards casually.
There might not be a way out for some older games, but SSG just disabled MC mailing in LotRO for cash shop items. That was to combat Gold Spammers/Botters, but they're still foregoing revenue. Interestingly there is a huge vocal backlash by people who benefit from that system.
Can AA break free from the grip of whales or is it stuck? Does Trion or XL (or any studio/pub) even want to try?
Its the Valors that were high priced items that could only be traded thru the mail with MC , But its still a strange move was only 2 MC to make that transaction , i think they are going to bring it back with a much higher MC cost down the road
The question I have is why didn't Trion offer a pure sub server for Rift
Prime? If they are enthusiastic about subscription servers then why did
they try and shoehorn as much cash shop in to Prime as they could
without rocking the community boat? If they didn't do that for Rift, why
would they do that for AA?
If AA fans can get Trion and XL to offer a sub-only AA then more power to them. I hope it's super popular and takes off so other games will try it out.
The reason in both cases is Whales , i did a pretty lenghty post when the Prime server was revealed with its model ..
But basically they have painted themselves into a corner ..
And the reason the set up Prime to filter into Premium .. at the end of its life ...
The whales have kept Rift alive ( and AA) for Trion , you cant abandon them now .. This must weigh heavily on there choices , upset the whale community and kiss all that money away that has carried Rift and AA for Trion ... Its a very slippery slope but one some of us knew would come ..
By offering a Sub only server for AA the live P2W servers will be ghost towns accept for the fattest whales . same with Rift and the reason the set it up like they did ...If they piss off the Whales and lose them it may cripple them beyond recovery
But Trion is very desperate this past year ...
Maybe it's time older games start to insulate themselves from the affects of whales ditching their game.
I still have a month of Rift sub time in my 2 access codes. I'm saving them for this fall/winter but I'm not going to play Prime. I'm going to play Live because I had more fun with pets and achievements. I enjoy playing the leader boards casually.
There might not be a way out for some older games, but SSG just disabled MC mailing in LotRO for cash shop items. That was to combat Gold Spammers/Botters, but they're still foregoing revenue. Interestingly there is a huge vocal backlash by people who benefit from that system.
Can AA break free from the grip of whales or is it stuck? Does Trion or XL (or any studio/pub) even want to try?
Well , IMO at some point , whales stop needing and spending nearly as much so , if youve removed the Sub finances to rely entirely on Whale spending at some point they have all they want or everything they need , and it slows the spending ... Even a whale only wants so many new Hats before that runs it course .. Essentially the P2W model that Trion set up is P2Lose for them ..
And we voiced this in 2013 when they dropped the Cash Shop on Rift , we asked them to at least keep them seperated , A Cash Shop server and Sub Server , let them grow and mature seperatley for the different demo-graphics that each appeal to .... They chose poorly , Rift was thriving at that time , and could have supported both models ..And most likely would have still to date , Rift Prime proved the market for a Vanilla... So IMO it could have sustained along side the P2W server ....
my prediction - Trion gonna try to convince XL to allow sub only servers in NA/EU when they meet next week
XL will say yes
Sub only AA 5.0 is what we get as an end result
/fingerscrossed
If they pull out a sub version with cosmetic cash shop and have less RNG I'm in on day 1. This could be THE greatest MMO ever without all the f2P/RNG shit.
Well I played AA for the longest time. Though when they made a massive change to the trade pack system it ruined the game for a lot of people. Thank god there are private server running the right version!!!
The problem with P2P sub server of AA is the lack of new player . Make it very hard to long run as P2P , that's why AA turn F2P in first place . You must remember that Korea AA was P2P at release time and being F2P in 1 year or less.
AA is a game that hard to get in for new players as old player get all the resource and progression speed is slow
To fix the current AA , they need to replace the regrade system , not just change the gamble rate but make new one to keep the power gap in check .
change the gems system that focus too much critical DPS
remade again the weapon system
Fix skill system that too much focus of DPS and move to more group base combat .
Well I played AA for the longest time. Though when they made a massive change to the trade pack system it ruined the game for a lot of people. Thank god there are private server running the right version!!!
Does it have the same shitty p2w cash shop??
It's worse - the private servers are run by a scam russian-based company that has no publishing rights at all to host AA as they are using stolen server code from the RU version. If you want to have all your info stolen and used for all kinds of criminal activities, go right ahead.
Also the version they are running is 3 years old and the cheating is unchecked because well they have no way of fixing it.
Literally the worst version of AA period.
I though they run 3.0 (one with dwarf and warborn) and it only 1 and half year old compare to current version of Trion ?
True they are buggy private sever like every private server , but IMO 3.0 isn't worst than current version of Trion.
I doubt i going to play that server , but they sure have a good chose of game version IMO . Lol , only one that good about 3.5 and more IMO is higher regrade rate and no RNG crafting gear .
AA is the best MMO I've played since DAoC. It's a shame how they manage that game with the regrade system and cash shop.
With a lack of decent MMOs currently out, pushing people to pay for alpha and beta versions of games in development, I can't help but think a restructured AA would do very well.
AA is the best MMO I've played since DAoC. It's a shame how they manage that game with the regrade system and cash shop.
With a lack of decent MMOs currently out, pushing people to pay for alpha and beta versions of games in development, I can't help but think a restructured AA would do very well.
Well I played AA for the longest time. Though when they made a massive change to the trade pack system it ruined the game for a lot of people. Thank god there are private server running the right version!!!
Does it have the same shitty p2w cash shop??
It's worse - the private servers are run by a scam russian-based company that has no publishing rights at all to host AA as they are using stolen server code from the RU version. If you want to have all your info stolen and used for all kinds of criminal activities, go right ahead.
Also the version they are running is 3 years old and the cheating is unchecked because well they have no way of fixing it.
Literally the worst version of AA period.
I though they run 3.0 (one with dwarf and warborn) and it only 1 and half year old compare to current version of Trion ?
True they are buggy private sever like every private server , but IMO 3.0 isn't worst than current version of Trion.
I doubt i going to play that server , but they sure have a good chose of game version IMO . Lol , only one that good about 3.5 and more IMO is higher regrade rate and no RNG crafting gear .
3.0 and 3.5 is the worse version. Why because of family fishing exploit, new trade system people don't like it, introduce p2w erenor gear and a lot more. The new version of Archeage 4.5 they remove regrade system of dungeon gear it can go to legendary without paying for real money and introduce new gear called Hiram. This Hiram gear you can't regrade and you don't need to p2w to get it just grind mobs. This gear can go higher tier that can close the gear gap that people play for 3 years. Also they bring back fishing really good, you can get free mounts by grinding mobs and also in 5.0 version they bring back the old trade system. If you don't have farm wagon, house just finish your bluesalt quest you can get it for free. If you know the dev, made Archeage 2.0 to 4.0 I guess he get fired from xlgame because he made archeage more p2w and he remove grinding gear like hasla. Now Jake Song just came back to save Archeage the original creator of Archeage. If you don't know him he is the first creator of MMO in Korea and I guess he is a founder of nexon and ncsoft.
AA is the best MMO I've played since DAoC. It's a shame how they manage that game with the regrade system and cash shop.
With a lack of decent MMOs currently out, pushing people to pay for alpha and beta versions of games in development, I can't help but think a restructured AA would do very well.
Well I played AA for the longest time. Though when they made a massive change to the trade pack system it ruined the game for a lot of people. Thank god there are private server running the right version!!!
Does it have the same shitty p2w cash shop??
It's worse - the private servers are run by a scam russian-based company that has no publishing rights at all to host AA as they are using stolen server code from the RU version. If you want to have all your info stolen and used for all kinds of criminal activities, go right ahead.
Also the version they are running is 3 years old and the cheating is unchecked because well they have no way of fixing it.
Literally the worst version of AA period.
I though they run 3.0 (one with dwarf and warborn) and it only 1 and half year old compare to current version of Trion ?
True they are buggy private sever like every private server , but IMO 3.0 isn't worst than current version of Trion.
I doubt i going to play that server , but they sure have a good chose of game version IMO . Lol , only one that good about 3.5 and more IMO is higher regrade rate and no RNG crafting gear .
3.0 and 3.5 is the worse version. Why because of family fishing exploit, new trade system people don't like it, introduce p2w erenor gear and a lot more. The new version of Archeage 4.5 they remove regrade system of dungeon gear it can go to legendary without paying for real money and introduce new gear called Hiram. This Hiram gear you can't regrade and you don't need to p2w to get it just grind mobs. This gear can go higher tier that can close the gear gap that people play for 3 years. Also they bring back fishing really good, you can get free mounts by grinding mobs and also in 5.0 version they bring back the old trade system. If you don't have farm wagon, house just finish your bluesalt quest you can get it for free. If you know the dev, made Archeage 2.0 to 4.0 I guess he get fired from xlgame because he made archeage more p2w and he remove grinding gear like hasla. Now Jake Song just came back to save Archeage the original creator of Archeage. If you don't know him he is the first creator of MMO in Korea and I guess he is a founder of nexon and ncsoft.
and who said its was not jake song who did it all? trying to save it now is kinda late too
Well I played AA for the longest time. Though when they made a massive change to the trade pack system it ruined the game for a lot of people. Thank god there are private server running the right version!!!
Does it have the same shitty p2w cash shop??
It's worse - the private servers are run by a scam russian-based company that has no publishing rights at all to host AA as they are using stolen server code from the RU version. If you want to have all your info stolen and used for all kinds of criminal activities, go right ahead.
Also the version they are running is 3 years old and the cheating is unchecked because well they have no way of fixing it.
AA is the best MMO I've played since DAoC. It's a shame how they manage that game with the regrade system and cash shop.
With a lack of decent MMOs currently out, pushing people to pay for alpha and beta versions of games in development, I can't help but think a restructured AA would do very well.
Well I played AA for the longest time. Though when they made a massive change to the trade pack system it ruined the game for a lot of people. Thank god there are private server running the right version!!!
Does it have the same shitty p2w cash shop??
It's worse - the private servers are run by a scam russian-based company that has no publishing rights at all to host AA as they are using stolen server code from the RU version. If you want to have all your info stolen and used for all kinds of criminal activities, go right ahead.
Also the version they are running is 3 years old and the cheating is unchecked because well they have no way of fixing it.
Literally the worst version of AA period.
I though they run 3.0 (one with dwarf and warborn) and it only 1 and half year old compare to current version of Trion ?
True they are buggy private sever like every private server , but IMO 3.0 isn't worst than current version of Trion.
I doubt i going to play that server , but they sure have a good chose of game version IMO . Lol , only one that good about 3.5 and more IMO is higher regrade rate and no RNG crafting gear .
3.0 and 3.5 is the worse version. Why because of family fishing exploit, new trade system people don't like it, introduce p2w erenor gear and a lot more. The new version of Archeage 4.5 they remove regrade system of dungeon gear it can go to legendary without paying for real money and introduce new gear called Hiram. This Hiram gear you can't regrade and you don't need to p2w to get it just grind mobs. This gear can go higher tier that can close the gear gap that people play for 3 years. Also they bring back fishing really good, you can get free mounts by grinding mobs and also in 5.0 version they bring back the old trade system. If you don't have farm wagon, house just finish your bluesalt quest you can get it for free. If you know the dev, made Archeage 2.0 to 4.0 I guess he get fired from xlgame because he made archeage more p2w and he remove grinding gear like hasla. Now Jake Song just came back to save Archeage the original creator of Archeage. If you don't know him he is the first creator of MMO in Korea and I guess he is a founder of nexon and ncsoft.
I quit before they throw out hiram bait , don't worry hiram will be shit soon enough when they throw out new tier gears . Like hell they will allow player to close gap .
Hiram is only to create trend so people will focus on it instead of build up erenor , and then when major people in half way of hiram progress , LX and trion will throw out better gear upgrade for erenor . Hiram is a biggest trick and trap that ever drop on AA .
And 3.0 or 3.5 is worst ? 3.0 may bad but still acceptable , 3.5 , 4.0 , 4.5 is shit hit fan with many change that throw players off the game
The main problem with trion's AA wasn't P2W but how LX and Trion keep changing the game and destroy player with they shitty change .
If you are normal player who play casually , slowly build up your progression then it hurt as hell each time they try to change the gameplay and only made thing worst .
Khorlan used XLGames as excuse to not start p2p/subscription server while the key points are/were out of game. Selling APEX is in "webpage". Trion lets players buy subscription vs cradit (= hardest p2w stay in game. YOu sell APEX to get in game resources and players sell gold to RM users to get patzron). "Out of game" elements of AA is not limited/controlled by developers. That is the land ogf TrionWorld = Trino didn't want to give use subscription server. +Trino asked XLMeme to remove "Bottlenecks" in regrade and make game more p2w in FS (unlimited regrade scroll trades with static prices vs extreme slow sun-moon-starpoint farming and players driven economy). Don't be naive! We got trash because Trino was too greedy to change keypoints.
Khorlan used XLGames as excuse to not start p2p/subscription server while the key points are/were out of game. Selling APEX is in "webpage". Trion lets players buy subscription vs cradit (= hardest p2w stay in game. YOu sell APEX to get in game resources and players sell gold to RM users to get patzron). "Out of game" elements of AA is not limited/controlled by developers. That is the land ogf TrionWorld = Trino didn't want to give use subscription server. +Trino asked XLMeme to remove "Bottlenecks" in regrade and make game more p2w in FS (unlimited regrade scroll trades with static prices vs extreme slow sun-moon-starpoint farming and players driven economy). Don't be naive! We got trash because Trino was too greedy to change keypoints.
That's not entirely accurate.
As much as I dislike Trion for their practices, the sale of APEX may very well be required by the distribution contract that Trion Worlds has signed with XL Games. If the contract says they will do it, they have to do it or they would be in violation of their distribution agreement.
I remember when Trion was a company that was up and coming and had some hopes. Now they will be forever tainted by the Archeage fiasco.
The Only way I see AA going to a P2P only model is if they revamp their entire Crafting System. Everything from Regrades to Labor Points. Labor Points would have to be Gone completely. To get higher Quality items you would need to put different materials in game and get rid of the Regrade system completely. You want a Higher Quality Sword? Add different mats in that would get you a higher level item. For example, Iron, Tin, Mithrial, Valrite as different metals that give different qualities to the weapons.
If AA did this and looked into a much deeper crafting system like how UO has crafting now where different metals make different quality gear they would have a much much larger player base than they do today. They wouldnt need to be P2W and having labor points. Hell make the gear break and need to be replaced but make replacing the gear quick. Also dont have what 12 different grades of items. This itself is abused like no tomorrow. Maybe make 4 or 5 grades, start at 2.5% better and cap it at 12.5% better. And if gear can be easily replaced There is no reason that items cant break and be completely replaced. Allow players to make Swords for healing and Maces for DPS or Tanking. Make this game more Sandbox like and this game will have a backing. Right now the game is close to shutting down if it does not do something.
The problem with P2P sub server of AA is the lack of new player . Make it very hard to long run as P2P , that's why AA turn F2P in first place . You must remember that Korea AA was P2P at release time and being F2P in 1 year or less.
AA is a game that hard to get in for new players as old player get all the resource and progression speed is slow
To fix the current AA , they need to replace the regrade system , not just change the gamble rate but make new one to keep the power gap in check .
change the gems system that focus too much critical DPS
remade again the weapon system
Fix skill system that too much focus of DPS and move to more group base combat .
You would need to revamp the entire crafting and gear system period if it went P2P. If it went P2P and did what I recommended the game would be much better. There needs to be a much much less focus on gear and regrades than it would need to be about skill. If Gear is easy to come by and replace at will, crafters can make the best gear in game often then you get rid of the P2W aspect of AA. Right now the entire game is built around spending real money for massive advantages. Take that away and you have no advantage other than what you as a player can do in game. Who you make friends with and are guilded with.
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Does seem to me that what Jake Song is saying is "We need an excuse to make the cash shop more P2W...Ok lets blame people who play the game more than those who can't be bothered." Not an AA player here, so I may have got the wrong end of the stick?
Your last point says why they honestly wont do it. Lets be honest hear, its easy enough for a whale to drop at least 1000$ on AA in a week. You would need about 50 ppl all with some cosmetic transactions in a MONTH to equal what ONE whale pays in a week. Its just a net loss unless they pull in 10k people every month. Is it possible for them to do that? Honestly, Bless Online has showed us that people still want a game like AA used to be, so its possible. But when you have the idea of 100 whales being able to equal the amount of 10k players in the same month, you'll want it. And even though Trion wants it both ways, they know they can't get it, mainly because those whales will just convert due to popularity. So honestly, a sub only server (and as you mentioned before, there would need to be multiple), would have to be a moral thing on their part since they know they would lose a lot of revenue long term by either the slowing down of whales or straight up conversion. The only thing I can suggest to them is to release a sub client of AA under a different name, mainly because people seem to be suckers for this lately and whales will still keep their AA active while trying the "new" game.
If AA has shown any real strategy the past few years it is "let's launch a new server."
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Ok, that was truly hilarious. (which means I need to go outside more)
If they pull out a sub version with cosmetic cash shop and have less RNG I'm in on day 1. This could be THE greatest MMO ever without all the f2P/RNG shit.
Does it have the same shitty p2w cash shop??
Nice heads up.....
That's not entirely accurate.
As much as I dislike Trion for their practices, the sale of APEX may very well be required by the distribution contract that Trion Worlds has signed with XL Games. If the contract says they will do it, they have to do it or they would be in violation of their distribution agreement.
I remember when Trion was a company that was up and coming and had some hopes. Now they will be forever tainted by the Archeage fiasco.
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If AA did this and looked into a much deeper crafting system like how UO has crafting now where different metals make different quality gear they would have a much much larger player base than they do today. They wouldnt need to be P2W and having labor points. Hell make the gear break and need to be replaced but make replacing the gear quick. Also dont have what 12 different grades of items. This itself is abused like no tomorrow. Maybe make 4 or 5 grades, start at 2.5% better and cap it at 12.5% better. And if gear can be easily replaced There is no reason that items cant break and be completely replaced. Allow players to make Swords for healing and Maces for DPS or Tanking. Make this game more Sandbox like and this game will have a backing. Right now the game is close to shutting down if it does not do something.
You would need to revamp the entire crafting and gear system period if it went P2P. If it went P2P and did what I recommended the game would be much better. There needs to be a much much less focus on gear and regrades than it would need to be about skill. If Gear is easy to come by and replace at will, crafters can make the best gear in game often then you get rid of the P2W aspect of AA. Right now the entire game is built around spending real money for massive advantages. Take that away and you have no advantage other than what you as a player can do in game. Who you make friends with and are guilded with.