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Bill is Wrong - Warframe Columns
SBFord
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Bill is Wrong - Warframe Columns
Frankly, I felt bad for all the other press members at TennoCon because they will never get the chance to feel as connected to a game as I am. It makes me sad real game journalist like Bill, are too busy to be able to sit down every night and enjoy the game they love like I do. What they do every night is to ensure you, the reader, have the most unbiased snapshot of a game.
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On the other hand, re-reviews are rare because they set a precedent. One well-deserved re-review can open the floodgates to every hack developer and their mother demanding a re-review because of a decent patch or two. That kind of work load is unrealistic for a review site.
1) Despite being on the list of best 2018 MMOs, Warframe isn't one no matter how many times people try to claim otherwise.
2. MMORPG.com did re-review Warframe in June of 2018.
https://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/reviews.cfm?game=1017&ismb=1&read=506
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Warframe has more in common with Diablo than it does with a third person shooter or MMO, and in that regard, it's the best Diablo style game ever made.
Normally, I'd just scoff at your comment and believe you were being unrealistic. However, the last few years have been a famine for new/decent MMOs so... you know what... bring on the re-reviews. There haven't been any new good MMOs for a while so why not take the time to re-review some old stuff?
Just kidding, Bill!
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
I'm serious!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To learn to play this game is not as easy as those ppl say it is, but now thanks to the new open world update it made it "a bit less" confusing. While the core game is still more of a confuse over-size maze of corridors and the mission object is like where I need to go or do again? So new player will definitely be left to wonder while the "Pro WILL" leave everything behind. So far behind that you cant even collect all the loot and you will be missing out on while the pros will end the mission without you. IF that sound like fun I guess new ppl just have to "git gud" or else its not as fun as any of those ppl would have you believe.
So which place the "New ppl" and the f2p ppl pretty much left behind, I personally find the maps and objectives hard to understand or which direction I need to go at some point, plus your on a timer, and while trying to keep up with the Pros will having you feeling like a pansy at all times. Being a f2p is NOT fun if you ask me, THE only way they clam Warframe to be fun if you spend $100+ bucks on it otherwise nope. F2P ppl are very limited in everything that are fun/cool/useful anyway, not how the reviewers or the fans would pitch it how great it is. If those reviewer ever try the real F2P they will quickly learn it isn't as fun nor cool as to compare to their given free stuff account.
With all the things they added and tried, the dev of Warframe is just as slimy as any other, however, while at least they do back track and does do 180 if they need to, I guess that somehow made them a good dev? But the CORE of Warframe is anything fun or cool as the dev or the fans have you believe. Don't have to believe anything I say, download it and try it and see if it holds water.
At the end Warframe is just another mmo like game, with features which is hardly fun when undermine whats supposedly fun aspect behind a paywall. Its not even a car when you give it away but without wheels/engine/breaks/fuel tank/etc it sure sound like a mmo game as a free to play isn't it? Am sure those games would go far without those, hehe.
After that it's a repeat effort. The stories deliverery I think is what ultimately makes me not play the game. If I don't care about what I'm doing in a game, if I have zero connection to the characters or the world that I'm supposed to invest in... Nah. Even in a game like Destiny, I have a basic understanding of what's going on and what I'm doing. That is all I need. I need something that I can grab onto and hone in on. I've read the wiki for WF and despite the story having some interesting bits and pieces to it it's not shown to me in game in a way that makes me care enough about continuing.
Oh and the Warframes look like they're overly designed/drawn pieces of poop. That doesn't help.
Warframe is the best lobby multiplayer title right now, also if including all mmo titles.
It has incrdible (hidden) depth, good longevity despite horizontal progression, rewarding skillfull play, and one of the very few titles not ruined by its f2p model. And it hits the elusive fun factor.
Gitgood
Oh yeah it is very much possible to reach the full endgame with 10-20$ investment (only buy plat and only when 75% discount). The rest you can farm and trade for.. It is called earning your stuff kids, you should try it.. It is a great feeling.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
Found the paid shill
But I digress. I like Warframe, I just wish its rabid fanbase would stop insisting their subjective opinion on whether Destiny or Warframe is better is gospel. Objective data shows one is clearly the victor.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Warframe is great, but the best Diablo-style game 150% goes to Path of Exile
Funny how I see people always trying to correct someone about what a MMO is as if they are the only ones who know. Funny because MMOs (excluding wow) from early 2000's are never coming back. "MMO-Lites" (Popular term) are what has risen from the ashes of the traditional MMO.
I can break it down further but that's the truth.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Nothing worse or more offensive than some person who plays a game for 2-4 hours trying to tell the world about the good bad and ugly of the product a product that in most cases you wont actually have a thorough and proper understanding of without investing 100 hours in (even more importantly in a mmorpg type of game where you cant even scratch the surface of in your first few hours lol). In the end you get shallow empty meaningless reviews that are often regurgitating what they glean from the community in the first place.