The progress the team has been making is nothing short of amazing. I guess not trying to reinvent the wheel plays its part in this. They simply rely on clever combination of ideas already in use in other games.
If this game sees the light of day before 2020 it will be a major surprise and they would have to dumb it down a lot to do so. Far as I am concerned it is just another piece of vaporware.
As an artist in the industry, I think a modular solution is the most sensible solution for mmorpg design. A solution that shows how much time and thought has gone into this title.
This team is making so many 'right' moves that they may just have the future of the genre in the bag. A very well thought out and managed project. I look forward to the future of this genre with a team like this leading the way. They are taking what made the past mmorpgs successful and reimagining it to sit comfortably on the landscape of the present and future day.
Thanks for the write up Robert! Great article and thoughts!
So no complaints or worries about them using the unreal engine? I've heard it's not the best tool in the shed when it comes to massive open world battles (something this game is very much about) you think they'll be able to work around it? it's one of the things that worries me the most about this project.
No I completely agree. Unreal is not the ideal choice for an mmorpg engine in today's market (imo) but it is pliable and has had success at varying degrees in the past and present. Aion (and Aion Next Gen in UE4), Blade and Soul, City of Titans, Sea of Thieves, Tera,The new Lineage (TL) even a couple of older titles like Chronicles of Spellborn rip =/ and Vanguard I would have liked to have seen them perhaps use an engine like Unigine but I am still a big fan of the UE and know in the right hands it will do just fine.
But most of those game don't have a focus on large scale grouping or open world PVP / sieging, I know they said they're writing most of the code themselves in the back end, so UE doesn't do much of the work ( or something like that don't know how it works) but how far can they push it and circumvent the limitations of UE. And again most of those titles aren't about having (50+ players on the same spot) as there been any game done in UE with that type of gameplay in mind?
Well, alpha is just around the corner, we'll soon find out.
As an artist in the industry, I think a modular solution is the most sensible solution for mmorpg design. A solution that shows how much time and thought has gone into this title.
This team is making so many 'right' moves that they may just have the future of the genre in the bag. A very well thought out and managed project. I look forward to the future of this genre with a team like this leading the way. They are taking what made the past mmorpgs successful and reimagining it to sit comfortably on the landscape of the present and future day.
Thanks for the write up Robert! Great article and thoughts!
So no complaints or worries about them using the unreal engine? I've heard it's not the best tool in the shed when it comes to massive open world battles (something this game is very much about) you think they'll be able to work around it? it's one of the things that worries me the most about this project.
No I completely agree. Unreal is not the ideal choice for an mmorpg engine in today's market (imo) but it is pliable and has had success at varying degrees in the past and present. Aion (and Aion Next Gen in UE4), Blade and Soul, City of Titans, Sea of Thieves, Tera,The new Lineage (TL) even a couple of older titles like Chronicles of Spellborn rip =/ and Vanguard I would have liked to have seen them perhaps use an engine like Unigine but I am still a big fan of the UE and know in the right hands it will do just fine.
But most of those game don't have a focus on large scale grouping or open world PVP / sieging, I know they said they're writing most of the code themselves in the back end, so UE doesn't do much of the work ( or something like that don't know how it works) but how far can they push it and circumvent the limitations of UE. And again most of those titles aren't about having (50+ players on the same spot) as there been any game done in UE with that type of gameplay in mind?
Well, alpha is just around the corner, we'll soon find out.
Sorry, but thanks for my daily laugh, alpha around the corner... lol
As an artist in the industry, I think a modular solution is the most sensible solution for mmorpg design. A solution that shows how much time and thought has gone into this title.
This team is making so many 'right' moves that they may just have the future of the genre in the bag. A very well thought out and managed project. I look forward to the future of this genre with a team like this leading the way. They are taking what made the past mmorpgs successful and reimagining it to sit comfortably on the landscape of the present and future day.
Thanks for the write up Robert! Great article and thoughts!
So no complaints or worries about them using the unreal engine? I've heard it's not the best tool in the shed when it comes to massive open world battles (something this game is very much about) you think they'll be able to work around it? it's one of the things that worries me the most about this project.
No I completely agree. Unreal is not the ideal choice for an mmorpg engine in today's market (imo) but it is pliable and has had success at varying degrees in the past and present. Aion (and Aion Next Gen in UE4), Blade and Soul, City of Titans, Sea of Thieves, Tera,The new Lineage (TL) even a couple of older titles like Chronicles of Spellborn rip =/ and Vanguard I would have liked to have seen them perhaps use an engine like Unigine but I am still a big fan of the UE and know in the right hands it will do just fine.
But most of those game don't have a focus on large scale grouping or open world PVP / sieging, I know they said they're writing most of the code themselves in the back end, so UE doesn't do much of the work ( or something like that don't know how it works) but how far can they push it and circumvent the limitations of UE. And again most of those titles aren't about having (50+ players on the same spot) as there been any game done in UE with that type of gameplay in mind?
Well, alpha is just around the corner, we'll soon find out.
find out.
Sorry, but thanks for my daily laugh, alpha around the corner... lol
According to the WIKI, Alpha 1 started....yesterday.
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The progress the team has been making is nothing short of amazing. I guess not trying to reinvent the wheel plays its part in this. They simply rely on clever combination of ideas already in use in other games.
If this game sees the light of day before 2020 it will be a major surprise and they would have to dumb it down a lot to do so. Far as I am concerned it is just another piece of vaporware.
that's exaggerating a bit, don't you think? I mean how can you call it vaporware when it has already been playtested in various stages by actual players and is currently undergoing alpha testing?
He’s right about most internet sites and forums in general.
The problem with this line of thinking is this is exactly why these third party venues are going the way of the dinosaurs. While I won't argue the internet as a whole is certainly a hive of scum and villainy, allowing these companies to only allow discussion about their products in their own personal fiefdoms where they control the narrative with an iron fist is not in any way healthy for the consumer. That's the problem with the free association of ideas, it tends to turn to anarchy. But in my not so humble opinion that is still far better than self enforced internet fascism.
Exactly. I am utterly stunned that this even needs to be explained.
Slapshot... is there actually ANY MMO that you are positive about...? All I see you doing on this site with every post is wage campaigns against certain devs (like the CoE guy) and titles... don't get me wrong, I generally love your posts... but still... :P
It's not longer playing Devil's Advocate when the only thing you do is bash them for their flaws. And that's something a lot of people on these sites seem to forget. It's constant negativity. Good features get taken for granted. They're apparently not even worth bringing up.
And then of course you have the legion of trolls, and bitter MMO players who will attack any new title that isn't a return to the Y2K "golden age".
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
I do not trust Steven Shariff anymore since the whole EU publisher shitmove where he basically lied to people by pretending till late 2017 to be self publishing and then pulling the worst publisher for the EU in the form of MY.com out of his ass. My.com hat a long history in the EU of shady business practices, account security issues, performance of their servers and horrible customer service.
Intrepid Studion did not even have the decency to offer people refunds... They could learn a bit from Marc Jacobs in that regards. The only thing i can say is, stay away from this game until it is released and you exactly know what´s on the table. Steven Shariff has no problem to promise you anything and doing the exact opposite.
I can't take any of these new games serious, because they don't have serious beta environments. They continue to pass out content to "backers" without actually improving on anything. I would image most of this game is done already, and they liek many are just releasing chunks at a time to find more moeny. This is where this industry has turned, and it is #boring
Odd, says only 7 posts but I could swear yours was an older account with many more posts. Weren't you a regular here at one time?
Perhaps I'm mixing you up for someone else
In all fairness they really haven't been working on this game for very long, I believe their KSer ended only last summer though it was clear from what they showed back then they had already gotten started.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Cross server competition with things like dungeon access is great. One thing I loved about Horizon known as Istaria was the community crafting. Being able to have groups of people get together to build a bridge to access a higher tier crafting material or even unlock a race was nothing but awesome. So yes, some server had access to different race, tier of material and parts of the world, it was all about working together through a great server competition.. Since then I have lost interest in mmorpg has they are mostly geared towards single player gaming with live people around you..
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
All I see you doing on this site with every post is wage campaigns against certain devs (like the CoE guy) and titles... don't get me wrong, I generally love your posts... but still... :P
It's not longer playing Devil's Advocate when the only thing you do is bash them for their flaws. And that's something a lot of people on these sites seem to forget. It's constant negativity. Good features get taken for granted. They're apparently not even worth bringing up.
And then of course you have the legion of trolls, and bitter MMO players who will attack any new title that isn't a return to the Y2K "golden age".
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
Intrepid Studion did not even have the decency to offer people refunds... They could learn a bit from Marc Jacobs in that regards. The only thing i can say is, stay away from this game until it is released and you exactly know what´s on the table. Steven Shariff has no problem to promise you anything and doing the exact opposite.
Perhaps I'm mixing you up for someone else
In all fairness they really haven't been working on this game for very long, I believe their KSer ended only last summer though it was clear from what they showed back then they had already gotten started.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon