Mostly the last wave of mmo's. GW2 with its horizontal progression. Wildstar with its....I don't even know what to call it. ESO I liked questing in but the combat was off.
Biggest ones are BDO, ESO, GW2, FFXIV(though played it hardcore from version 1 to 1st expac then bored to death having to drop all the hard work for new gear every few months) WoW(enjoyed it a lot at first TBC release time now can't stand it). I can't really find any mmorpg to sink time in at the moment I'm playing Destiny 2, Path of Exile, Eternum(mobile diablo style game) Final Fantasy Brave Exivous(mobile jrpg).
Biggest ones are BDO, ESO, GW2, FFXIV(though played it hardcore from version 1 to 1st expac then bored to death having to drop all the hard work for new gear every few months) WoW(enjoyed it a lot at first TBC release time now can't stand it). I can't really find any mmorpg to sink time in at the moment I'm playing Destiny 2, Path of Exile, Eternum(mobile diablo style game) Final Fantasy Brave Exivous(mobile jrpg).
I definitely agree with you on FFXIV, and ESO being the biggest ones and the most bad ass. World of Warcraft will always be a favorite of mine, although it's been some time since I've really played it. Still a solid game.
haha a lot of us have more in common than we know.
@DMKano all of those games you listed have traditional questing in them, you just choose to ignore them but my point was questing is pretty much in every single MMO ever, its one of the pillars of the genre. I didn't mean to assume you are a PVPer only, I was asking out of curiosity since you said you hate questing in MMOs. it just struck me as odd because questing is such a big part of the genre. I know its not the only part but its a big part.
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Most MMOs I've tried, lately, to be honest. Fast pacing is nice on occasion, but with it I get mentally tired much faster. MMOs just don't have the variety of activities or pacing within them as they used to.
I just don't get it...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I don't like rails, never have. Anything that guides me along a path where I mindlessly click and fight my way to max level without a thought or planning. "read quest log, go to 'X', talk to '?' or '!'" go to next 'X' ... Being a drone does not quench my thirst for entertainment and I just don't get it.
haha a lot of us have more in common than we know.
@DMKano all of those games you listed have traditional questing in them, you just choose to ignore them but my point was questing is pretty much in every single MMO ever, its one of the pillars of the genre. I didn't mean to assume you are a PVPer only, I was asking out of curiosity since you said you hate questing in MMOs. it just struck me as odd because questing is such a big part of the genre. I know its not the only part but its a big part.
The key thing for me is this:
Are there alternatives to questing where you can advance your character's progress equally fast?
For me - the key answer to the above must be YES if I am going to enjoy a MMO.
If I am punished big time because I chose not to quest - not the MMO I have any interest in playing.
Sadly post WoW - many MMOs have switched to quest-centric gameplay without much alternative - ugh.
This is why most MMOs after WoW that were not quest centric were so great for me.
See this is what is frustrating for me as well, all traditional MMORPG games these days are missing that something. I honestly think it's the worldly feel like SWG. A game you can literally live another life in and make your own story along side others and live out the worlds story. SWG was a simulation escape for some, but it was missing that game feel for others. Had there been actual story and quests alongside the world structure, it might have been a game for everyone.
They nailed the living in a Star Wars universe aspect, but the lack of Star Warsy content and choice in progression other than grinding was a factor that made it so niche for most gamers. Not everyone wants just Second Life in space. I play GW2, ESO and sometimes even FFXI, but only because its what is out there. Like you I also think MMOs mostly do a terrible job with story driven content when compared to a traditional single player adventure. It is what it is, but after playing SWG I thought all games were going to be these giant social sandbox simulations with multiplayer game adventure and story tacked on, but nope.
Sadly most themepark MMO. I find the questing boring and genre wide repetitive. Though WoWs last expansion was fun for awhile surprisingly. Not interested in the typical end game. I don't like extreme power gap PvP. Not much for me to do. I play and think what why? Then log out.
Lineage II, after just installing the and trying the classic server, I barely got thru the tutorial before I realized it was garbage and not my type of game, which sucks, I truly like grinders (I played AC for 10 years)
I don't get almost all of the F2P MMOs. They're almost never well supported and they seldom receive updates, due to budgetary constraints. The mechanics are usually trash and the community less than desirable. There are exceptions, of course; PoE and Drakensang Online, for instance. But, usually B2P is a much better option, IMO.
Wurm - I love crafting MMOs, but I've tried twice to start playing Wurm and just died repeatedly once I finally made it out of the tutorial area. -_- I have trouble seeing its charm compared to similar games like A Tale In The Desert and Xsyon.
I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story. So PM me if you are starting one.
Wurm - I love crafting MMOs, but I've tried twice to start playing Wurm and just died repeatedly once I finally made it out of the tutorial area. -_- I have trouble seeing its charm compared to similar games like A Tale In The Desert and Xsyon.
Probably the first time the word "charm" has ever been used to describe Xyson, definitely not the descriptor I would have chosen.
In fact, it's the reason I've never played a more modern "survival" title, I keep having flashbacks to my time in Xyson. (so very long ago)
I've actually got Conan Exiles in my Steam library, just haven't broken the seal yet.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Everything lately. I am becoming so cynical. Just tell me the name of a new game and I already hate it.
So much this. It isn't really the games I don't get, nor why other players like them.
I don't understand why I don't enjoy any MMORPGs these days, (probably not enough players) not even EVE.
I still enjoy playing games, been having a great time with several the past year or so.
Heck, i have played quite a few hours in No Mans Sky, a game at times I truly hate like when I fell through the floor of my freighter last night and had to reload my last save, losing several hours of work.
Yet I still play on, determined to figure this damn game out and to be perfectly clear, no one can mistake my efforts as "fun."
Perhaps that's the problem, I enjoy struggling to overcome obstacles and current MMORPGs don't really offer them, or at least not any I'm interested in pursuing.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Everything lately. I am becoming so cynical. Just tell me the name of a new game and I already hate it.
So much this. It isn't really the games I don't get, nor why other players like them.
I don't understand why I don't enjoy any MMORPGs these days, (probably not enough players) not even EVE.
I still enjoy playing games, been having a great time with several the past year or so.
Heck, i have played quite a few hours in No Mans Sky, a game at times I truly hate like when I fell through the floor of my freighter last night and had to reload my last save, losing several hours of work.
Yet I still play on, determined to figure this damn game out and to be perfectly clear, no one can mistake my efforts as "fun."
Perhaps that's the problem, I enjoy struggling to overcome obstacles and current MMORPGs don't really offer them, or at least not any I'm interested in pursuing.
Go play Dark Souls, feel alive again
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Everything lately. I am becoming so cynical. Just tell me the name of a new game and I already hate it.
So much this. It isn't really the games I don't get, nor why other players like them.
I don't understand why I don't enjoy any MMORPGs these days, (probably not enough players) not even EVE.
I still enjoy playing games, been having a great time with several the past year or so.
Heck, i have played quite a few hours in No Mans Sky, a game at times I truly hate like when I fell through the floor of my freighter last night and had to reload my last save, losing several hours of work.
Yet I still play on, determined to figure this damn game out and to be perfectly clear, no one can mistake my efforts as "fun."
Perhaps that's the problem, I enjoy struggling to overcome obstacles and current MMORPGs don't really offer them, or at least not any I'm interested in pursuing.
Go play Dark Souls, feel alive again
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Thought of it, not a fan of losing progression, or playing rogue likes.
Dyings fine, but redoing content like in arcade isn't for me
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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@DMKano Interesting that you feel that ESO has heavy handed questing. I actually enjoy ESO's questing. I love that there are so many different stories and you can choose what stories you really want to do. Also ESO is light on the "Fetch me x" type of quests and it makes it really feel like you are making your own story in this world. The leveling is fun because of the amount of customization. I play ESO in first person and it really feels like a "Elder Scrolls" game.
I agree with GW2 the mob scaling and the art direction was just a no for me. I hate how all the armor looks in GW2. Hate. Yuck.
I thought I was going to main Wildstar before I played it. I love Sci-Fi games and this an SWTOR were like the only good sci fi mmos on the market at the time outside of EVE (another game i don't get) but WS has the worse map design I have ever seen. Your quest log fills your map up with a ton of Icons and symbols that they don't really explain the meaning of.. its just messy. I thought the cartoon style was cool but I wasn't in love with the races. Idk it just felt forced and not cool as it marketed itself.
I greatly dislike questing in MMOs - and there is no effective way to skip questing in ESO.
Grind grind grind. It's can be done, but yeah. I so love the way questing in Wushu was totally optional all but maybe twice a year with new releases of whatever. Their quests didnt even give experience!
A lot of the gamers I knew, went to AA, and told me how great the game was, they sung it's praise and how great the game was, and it even looked like the kind of game I would enjoy.
But for the life of me.. I just could not get into the game, I gave it a solid 3 tries, Dwarf, Warborn, and Whatever the heck that cat race was... but for the life of me.. I just could not get into the game.
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ESO, because of the combat controls. I love Elders Scrolls, including ESO, but I use a Logitech G13 with a default MMO profile, and it's not one that works well with ESO. I keep meaning to create an ESO profile, but just have too many other games to focus on.
ArchAge, because of the PvP focus. I was a $150 founder and knew what I was getting into, so I'm not complaining. Just bumming because ArchAge is probably my 2nd favorite MMO behind WoW.
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I can't really find any mmorpg to sink time in at the moment I'm playing Destiny 2, Path of Exile, Eternum(mobile diablo style game) Final Fantasy Brave Exivous(mobile jrpg).
@DMKano all of those games you listed have traditional questing in them, you just choose to ignore them but my point was questing is pretty much in every single MMO ever, its one of the pillars of the genre. I didn't mean to assume you are a PVPer only, I was asking out of curiosity since you said you hate questing in MMOs. it just struck me as odd because questing is such a big part of the genre. I know its not the only part but its a big part.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
I just don't get it...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
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In fact, it's the reason I've never played a more modern "survival" title, I keep having flashbacks to my time in Xyson. (so very long ago)
I've actually got Conan Exiles in my Steam library, just haven't broken the seal yet.
Some day.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I don't understand why I don't enjoy any MMORPGs these days, (probably not enough players)
I still enjoy playing games, been having a great time with several the past year or so.
Heck, i have played quite a few hours in No Mans Sky, a game at times I truly hate like when I fell through the floor of my freighter last night and had to reload my last save, losing several hours of work.
Yet I still play on, determined to figure this damn game out and to be perfectly clear, no one can mistake my efforts as "fun."
Perhaps that's the problem, I enjoy struggling to overcome obstacles and current MMORPGs don't really offer them, or at least not any I'm interested in pursuing.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Dyings fine, but redoing content like in arcade isn't for me
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
A lot of the gamers I knew, went to AA, and told me how great the game was, they sung it's praise and how great the game was, and it even looked like the kind of game I would enjoy.
But for the life of me.. I just could not get into the game, I gave it a solid 3 tries, Dwarf, Warborn, and Whatever the heck that cat race was... but for the life of me.. I just could not get into the game.
ArchAge, because of the PvP focus. I was a $150 founder and knew what I was getting into, so I'm not complaining. Just bumming because ArchAge is probably my 2nd favorite MMO behind WoW.