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Diablo Team Q&A + Immortal World Information

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited November 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageDiablo Team Q&A + Immortal World Information

The Diablo team took to the stage yesterday at BlizzCon 2018 to answer fan questions, though none were centered on the controversy that the announcement of the mobile-only game has created since Friday. The team answered a variety of questions covering whether or not we'll see Mephisto in the game, if microtransactions will be present and how Blizzard plans "to stay relevant with a mobile game in a heavily PC-dominated market".

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  • nastilonnastilon Member UncommonPosts: 151
    0 interest in a mobile game. Guess this will be great for 12 year olds and the burgeoning market in Asia.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    I'm already bored of this game.

    Just show me the next proper Diablo and we'll talk.
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  • itsoveritsover Member UncommonPosts: 353
    Only way to fix our fan is announce d4 or d2 remaster
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  • ZhenoxZhenox Member UncommonPosts: 59
    nastilon said:
    0 interest in a mobile game. Guess this will be great for 12 year olds and the burgeoning market in Asia.
    you forgot moms and people who take long shitting sessions. 
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  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member RarePosts: 1,531
    At least we know now that Blizzard would make for a shit totalitarian dictator.

    https://imgur.com/a/CYLSr1P

    Their PR team deserves to be fired.

    Can't wait for China to reject this garbage as well.
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  • ZhenoxZhenox Member UncommonPosts: 59
    At least we know now that Blizzard would make for a shit totalitarian dictator.

    https://imgur.com/a/CYLSr1P

    Their PR team deserves to be fired.

    Can't wait for China to reject this garbage as well.
    i was actually translating asian forums... people are not fucking happy, lol. 
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  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member RarePosts: 1,531
    Zhenox said:
    At least we know now that Blizzard would make for a shit totalitarian dictator.

    https://imgur.com/a/CYLSr1P

    Their PR team deserves to be fired.

    Can't wait for China to reject this garbage as well.
    i was actually translating asian forums... people are not fucking happy, lol. 
    China has had a large playerbase in the previous Diablo games, it's probably more insulting to them as they have first hand experience with NetEase.
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  • WizbuizWizbuiz Member UncommonPosts: 215
    edited November 2018
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least
  • DerrosDerros Member UncommonPosts: 1,216
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    While I agree it was not ment for the blizcon/pc gamer crowd, it shouldn't have been anounced to that crowd, especially not as a capstone to the opening ceremonies. The audience that it's for has probably never played a diablo game, and certainly isn't watching blizzcon.  Blizzard HAD to know it was going to go over poorly with that crowd. They were trying to walk back expectations after they build the hype initially with their announcement of a Diablo announcement. Why do it? 

    Im not sure its entirely arrogant for a crowd at a convention that has traditionally catered to them to expect it to continue to. Honestly I dont get the point of blizzcon, if its just for marketing rather than a self congratulatory celebration, they could be more effective with the money spent elsewhere.
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  • WizbuizWizbuiz Member UncommonPosts: 215
    edited November 2018

    DMKano said:


    Wizbuiz said:

    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least



    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?



    Whos paying you for that load of nonsense, we helped build them promote them ever since the first viking game at a time When they were nothing, now they acting like conglomerate monsters with No end to their gluttony- But fuck that capitalism is the Way of life, its When they dump their quality and still expect the same respect and wanting to take over all areas, its not about creating immerse games But addiction, just like cannabis cowboys
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  • DerrosDerros Member UncommonPosts: 1,216
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Derros said:
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    While I agree it was not ment for the blizcon/pc gamer crowd, it shouldn't have been anounced to that crowd, especially not as a capstone to the opening ceremonies. The audience that it's for has probably never played a diablo game, and certainly isnt watching blizcon. 

    Im not sure its entirely arrogant for a crowd at a convention that has traditionally catered to them to expect it to contine to. Honestly I dont get the point of blizcon, if its just for marketing rather than a self congragulatory celebration, they could be more efficient with the money spent elsewhere.

    Blizzcon is always a monetary loss for Blizzard - the tickets sold cover a tiny fraction of the total cost it takes to put on the show.

    So the reason why they do it is 2 fold - for the fans and more importantly for marketing - and inside Blizzard there has been a growing movement of employees who consider it wasteful as there are other much better ways of marketing this.

    I think that Blizzcon is becoming less and less effective in terms of marketing ROI - so I fully expect Blizzard to do away with Blizzcon  soon. 

    How long are they gonna keep putting on these expensive shows - that's the real question.


    I understand that, but if the controversy had not happened, would the audience who Diablo Immortals is for even have known about the announcement? Are the people who are into mobile heavily even pay attention to traditionally games media or conventions?
  • nastilonnastilon Member UncommonPosts: 151
    I like the post that says we as a consumer should not be adverse to receiving products we don't actual want and that we are greedy little monsters if we don't like it. This is so Orwellian I don't know where to start lol... anyways, it has been mentioned that D4 is in the works - fine, but why not release a few teasers at Blizzcon, where the actual Diablo fans pay to go to?

    Again, yes it costs Blizzard money but it also costs the fans money. Trust is a two-way street. I think the response by the diablo fans is more than justified, considering Blizzard's treatment of the IP.
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  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    edited November 2018

    DMKano said:


    Wizbuiz said:

    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least



    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?



    I disagree with the second point. its perfectly acceptable for customers to be upset about a product or service that has been traditionally been branded to them doing a complete 180, no longer supporting them at all, and giving very little reasonas to why. its not like the pc market hasn't grown

    the simple solution to the whole controversy is fairly easy

    1. specifically state that some of the other diablo projects are specifically planned for PC....it boggles mind that they beat around the bush about it. Even in the article above they don't mention platforms...if the in development titles for PC don't come to fruition for whatever reason....well then this outrage is absolutely justified. problem can be solved with a literal sentence...a reaffirming a commitment to there traditional customer.......it costs them nothing.

    2. back track on the mobile only and take the extra development time to release on multiple platforms. its just added ROI if the game is any kind of quality
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    So basically the customers are in the wrong. Well, with over a quarter of a million dislikes thats a lot of potential customers being in the wrong then isn't it, oh wait, it wasn't for them was it ;)

     Diablo Immortal is not coming to PC, they (Blizzard) have said this very clearly, it is being released on IOS and Android, there are no plans for a PC version, that was stated in response to one of the questions during the Q&A in a way that is not open to 'misinterpretation'.

    You also accuse the fans of being arrogant, but were they? instead i'd lay that accusation at the feet of those on stage for the Q&A, in particular the response to the questions with 'don't you have phones' for its sheer arrogant condescension implicit in that accusation. 

    As for slinging 'poo' i think there was enough fecal matter generated by Blizzard that it was probably inevitable. :p
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  • anxelesaxeanxelesaxe Member UncommonPosts: 24
    Derros said:
    DMKano said:
    Derros said:
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    While I agree it was not ment for the blizcon/pc gamer crowd, it shouldn't have been anounced to that crowd, especially not as a capstone to the opening ceremonies. The audience that it's for has probably never played a diablo game, and certainly isnt watching blizcon. 

    Im not sure its entirely arrogant for a crowd at a convention that has traditionally catered to them to expect it to contine to. Honestly I dont get the point of blizcon, if its just for marketing rather than a self congragulatory celebration, they could be more efficient with the money spent elsewhere.

    Blizzcon is always a monetary loss for Blizzard - the tickets sold cover a tiny fraction of the total cost it takes to put on the show.

    So the reason why they do it is 2 fold - for the fans and more importantly for marketing - and inside Blizzard there has been a growing movement of employees who consider it wasteful as there are other much better ways of marketing this.

    I think that Blizzcon is becoming less and less effective in terms of marketing ROI - so I fully expect Blizzard to do away with Blizzcon  soon. 

    How long are they gonna keep putting on these expensive shows - that's the real question.


    I understand that, but if the controversy had not happened, would the audience who Diablo Immortals is for even have known about the announcement? Are the people who are into mobile heavily even pay attention to traditionally games media or conventions?
    All blizz had to do was throw it up on the app store with a top paid sponsor placement and they would have reached their target audience. There was no reason for them to announce it at blizzcon.

    Kano - just stop dude. You know why people are upset. You've been on this forum at least as long as me (lost my old account when the boards switched to this version). For blizzard to have announced immortal at the con, they are either completely out of touch with their fanbase or they simply don't care. This isn't the blizzard that made the games we love anymore and it hasn't been for a while, they are starting to finally show the world what the new blizzard is all about, chasing cash over passion for distilling and perfecting each genre they dip their toes into. 

    It wouldn't be as bad if they had made it in-house, but this was just a crap port of a chinese phone game with updated graphics. Those "new" skills? What do you want to bet that they are from the other NetEase titles that use the same base phone game? It's lazy, man. Blizzard never used to do lazy, now it's all they do (except their art team, kudos to their art team). 
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914


    As an investor in  Blizz since 05 , i like the move to mobile ..

      As a gamer i dont touch mobile and dont care .. But, they should of shown something from some of the other projects i know they have been working on ( as Kano also pointed at) ..  They have been working on some PC projects and should have shown something that would have easily absorbed some of the PR blow they are taking .. 

      Am i worried ..No.. ATVI and Blizz will be fine there is some really exciting stuff in the works ..
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028

    DMKano said:


    Wizbuiz said:

    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least



    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?




    The only arrogance here is an armchair psychologist placing himself above the masses.

    If you honestly believe that it is at all acceptable to hype people on a Diablo product for months, sell expensive real and virtual tickets to a convention where such is to be revealed, and then make the sole Diablo announcement for that convention (after almost ignoring the franchise for almost 4 years, mind you) a Diet Diablo experience for an entirely different audience than the one that actually paid and traveled to be there, then you are truly far more out of touch than I expected from you.

    The anger is completely and totally justified, period.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    DMKano said:
    Aeander said:

    DMKano said:


    Wizbuiz said:

    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least



    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?




    The only arrogance here is an armchair psychologist placing himself above the masses.

    If you honestly believe that it is at all acceptable to hype people on a Diablo product for months, sell expensive real and virtual tickets to a convention where such is to be revealed, and then make the sole Diablo announcement for that convention (after almost ignoring the franchise for almost 4 years, mind you) a Diet Diablo experience for an entirely different audience than the one that actually paid and traveled to be there, then you are truly far more out of touch than I expected from you.

    The anger is completely and totally justified, period.

    I didn't go to Blizzcon, I didn't pay for the tickets - I am not angry.

    Did you go to Blizzcon, did you pay for the tickets? Are you angry?

    What's "justified" is an opinion that varies from person to person - was there a guarantee on the Blizzcon ticket that said "you will not be disappointed - all will deliver on all your expectations"

    Come on now - nothing is for granted - does it suck to pay for a show that caters to PC/console crowd only to be shown a mobile game - lol yes it does.

    Such is life - shit happens, you just have to roll with the punches. Or not - you can get angry and feel that your anger is justified about everything - it's up to each individual how they want to live their life.

    Everyone has to manage their own expectations, Blizzard even made a public announcement before the show for players to not expect anything major - big hint there.

    Anyone who wants to get pissed off and angry over Diablo Immortal - go right ahead.

    Those who don't - again go right ahead - it's also a valid response, especially knowing that an actual PC/console version is in the works.

    Those who just want to shrug their shoulder and go - meh - again all fine.

    Why should one action be more "justified" over the other? 


    The justification of action doesn't preclude the justification of another. Feel free to not be angry. That's your prerogative. But do not pretend that we do not also have just cause to be angry. 

    As for me, I'll be boycotting all of their games until one of those 'multiple Diablo projects' reveals itself as a proper expansion, remaster, sequel, or prequel. As is my consumer right, justified by the glacial development pace fans of this franchise have dealt with for far too long. 
  • BobVaBobVa Member UncommonPosts: 125
    "We saw a similar response when we announced that we were bringing Diablo to console, and we saw a similar response to the announcement of Hearthstone."

    Show me. Last time I check, Hearthstone announcement was very well received. Diablo console announcement was meh received.

    Now, Diablo Mobile wished to be at least meh received. See the difference?



    DMKano said:


    itsover said:

    Only way to fix our fan is announce d4 or d2 remaster



    Diablo Immortal has been mostly outsourced to Netease as Blizzard doesn't have enough mobile devs in house to make mobile games themselves.



    One needs to wonder, what ActiBlizz is doing with the 5.9 billion dollar MOBILE company ( King ) they purchased. No, don't .. tell me they can only create Candy Baby games. If this was a serious game, then they would of developed it in-house, not with a Chinese P2W company. So this does not only sounds, but is truly is, a cash-grab move and we will see a heavy P2W approach on this title, because I am sure, NetEase has a word or two when it comes to monetization.


    Also : "Blizzcon is always a monetary loss for Blizzard - the tickets sold cover a tiny fraction of the total cost it takes to put on the show."

    Well , I believe you forgot about sponsors?! Consumables/Goods the users are buying at BlizzCon, including food, drinks, etc?

    Sure, maybe they will be a bit in loss, but usually , BlizzCon should boost Blizzard sales, so in the end, is always a win for them. Marketing that is, if you are aware of it works.
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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,209
    Can't wait to play this!
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    I think announcing this at Blizzcon was the mistake. Not the fact that they paid 
    (
    worked with) NetEase to make it for them. 
    Blizzcon is a conference for their fans. Not people who do not know who or what they are. 
    Hearthstone was not announced at Blizzcon. There was no reason for this game to be announced here either. Even if it was Blizzard knew/knows what fans want and refuse to give it to them. 

    I have zero issue with them going mobile with the one game that fits mobile perfectly.

    I do have issue with the fact that the Diablo franchise continues to suffer at the hands of the company who owns it. 

    They are leaving money on the table and the more time that passes the less excitement the franchise will garner. Missed opportunities abound with this company in recent years.  

    Exactly. It isn't a problem that we're getting a mobile game. Hell, I play (and pay for) two mobile games (FE Heroes and Dragalia Lost) already. Under better circumstances, I would be one of those in the audience for this game.

    However, for this to be the only announcement for a franchise that has suffered for years is unbelievably tonedeaf and inconsiderate. Even so much as a Elder Scrolls VI style title reveal to tell fans that they have something to look forward to would have been appreciated. 
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  • Spriggen1337Spriggen1337 Member UncommonPosts: 276

    DMKano said:


    Wizbuiz said:

    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least



    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?



    look at it from the crowds perspective (digital tickets included), they paid enough money to go to/watch blizzcon for the diablo announcement and what they got was something that only a niche community will play.

    while im not saying its good or bad since i havent played the game u can bet ur bottom dolla that its gonna be laden with pay to proceed walls as well as cosmetics just to please shareholders in activision.

    Blizzard are so detracted from their community that u saw the response and the absolute hate with this announcement. The diablo franchise was what made blizzard blizzard and they trying to pawn this off on the main stage at blizzcon when it was only worthy as a side announcement with the switch port of D3.

    A look at recent events within EA when they announced CnC rivals. i hated that announcement because they made a bad mobile game loosly based in the lore of the CnC universe. now they planing to re-re-re-re-re-re-release the CnC franchise by remastering them all. i would putn a few dollers on blizzard doing the same thing for D2 at all the hate this has received

    With diablos take its just a reskin of netease other game is all (Crusaders of light).

    while i reserve judgement on the game i dont condone this action taken by blizzard....... its been a long time since diablo took mainstage......
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849

    The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism.



    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • BobVaBobVa Member UncommonPosts: 125
    DMKano said:
    Aeander said:

    The justification of action doesn't preclude the justification of another. Feel free to not be angry. That's your prerogative. But do not pretend that we do not also have just cause to be angry. 

    As for me, I'll be boycotting all of their games until one of those 'multiple Diablo projects' reveals itself as a proper expansion, remaster, sequel, or prequel. As is my consumer right, justified by the glacial development pace fans of this franchise have dealt with for far too long. 


    I never take it personally if a company tries to make a buck off someone else, or a different market segment like mobile - it's what businesses do.


    Until they will focus on .. making a buck off someone else, over and over again, and you will be left to 'deal with it , or .. boycott it'
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