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What is going on right now with Pantheon ?

KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605
For those that are wondering what is going on atm with Pantheon. The devs are currently working on Project Faerthale. Faerthale is the capital city of the elves, and it's surrounding area. 

The important thing is that this will be the first feature-complete zone that brings together all the major game systems, such as climate, perception, atmospheres, dispositions, etc. in a cohesive way. There will also be improved animations, character models, etc.

That way, rather than having to always tell people what Pantheon "will" eventually look like, they can basically just show them this zone. It's called their "reference zone" It of course won't be 100% done, but it'll be very close. Then they can take what they learned about the workflow of pulling together the art, design, world building, etc. departments to compile a zone from start to finish, and apply those lessons to complete the rest of the zones in the game much more efficiently. It's a huge turning point for the game.

If you want to know more, you can watch the video below. It explains things better that I could. 


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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    I wonder if VR is planning to take what it learns from this 'complete zone creation' and re-do the older zones they have used for testing, or if the newer systems are going to be merged into the existing zones?  I'm curious to see exactly what they decide to do.



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  • AnthurAnthur Member UncommonPosts: 961
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
  • scooby1971scooby1971 Member UncommonPosts: 17
    Thanks for the update Kumapon
    Kumapon
  • Ronald88Ronald88 Member UncommonPosts: 56
    Thx for the link.

  • GreatnessGreatness Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    Thanks for the update but definitely disheartening that after this many years just a single zone is on its way to being developed but not actually finished yet. 

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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    DMKano said:
    Even with all things learned and with better efficiency to complete all zones as feature complete and fully fleshed out before launch is going to take years to complete at this point.

    What's the launch date now... 2024?

    Unless they want to go the half-baked Vanguard route where its "release soon, fix and finish later" and risk alienating their core playerbase 

    Having said all that- I really hope they can pull this reference zone off and to where it all comes together in a cohesive immersive experience. 

    If the reference zone fails to grab attention and looks more like the tired old 20 year old eq1-carbon copy gameplay they've been showing so far - maybe Panthon wont be all that

    But I'm cool with the 20 year old game play, me and an enormous group of other people.  I'm not a fan of the combat style / mechanics of todays MMO's.  Which is kind-of-the-whole-point of them making this game and including "20 year old eq1-carbon copy gameplay they've been showing so far".    There will be FAR more people that don't like this game then DO like this game.  And only a fool would think otherwise. But there are more than enough people to make it worth the effort, which again is the whole point of this project in the first place.

    Its not like everyone that played EQ1 - EQ2 - AC will be dead before it comes out.  Or will they........?
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    Greatness said:
    Thanks for the update but definitely disheartening that after this many years just a single zone is on its way to being developed but not actually finished yet. 
    Not a programmer,
    But seems they were working on balancing animation and how they plan on graphics.... Hope the hard part is over.  Now they know the standardized programming, maybe the NEW WORKERS CAN FILL THE WORLD..... now sure this is how it works.  
    GreatnessMrMelGibson
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited March 2019
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Kyleran said:
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
    I agree with the point about target dates.  I don't think it is smart to neglect dates, though.  I'm relatively certain that the money people behind Pantheon have pretty definite plans when they expect to see some repayment.

    There may be a case for not making public launch dates to avoid upsetting customers' expectations, but I tend to think of that as a case where the people creating the dates aren't equipped to make dates.  Creating a reliable, accurate estimated completion date tends to be a highly subjective process.  Projecting accurate dates relies on knowing two basic factors:  the skill of the workers and the amount of work to be done.  The more that is known about these, the better the estimation can be.

    Too many times over my career in IT, completion dates are/were the only constant, sometimes due to external constraints, but often enough the hard completion date was pulled out of someone's hat (probably owned by someone in marketing).  Management by deadline is a very real thing, and often subverts project estimation/management techniques.

    NASA does this with much more complex projects, as did the Pharaohs that wanted a pyramid.



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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    Kyleran said:
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    edited March 2019
    Kyleran said:
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
    (off topic I know) Not a waste at all. Who is telling you this? They want to build colonies there to live, work, research, and harvest resources, and yes there is water in the form of ice there. It's untapped potential.  It would be stupid not to go there. Besides if shit hit the fan on earth, at least we have another habitat to conserve the human race.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,050
    In my line of work I have absolute freedom to go where I want and when I want to, on how I do my job and what I need to do it with. I can do whatever the heck I want to, as long as I meet my targets. And guess what? Those targets all have deadlines, they are the entire structure my career is based upon. Not having any is beyond unpofessional to me.

    If you can actually meet those deadlines is another discussion though.

    /Cheers,
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    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 3,030
    edited March 2019
    Tiller said:
    Kyleran said:
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
    (off topic I know) Not a waste at all. Who is telling you this? They want to build colonies there to live, work, research, and harvest resources, and yes there is water in the form of ice there. It's untapped potential.  It would be stupid not to go there. Besides if shit hit the fan on earth, at least we have another habitat to conserve the human race.
    We go there for scientific research and to push the boundaries of technology.

    Mars will NEVER be a back up for Earth. It's a shit poor option to terraform. No magnetic field, not enough gravity to maintain an atmosphere even if it had a magnetic field, no plate tectonics (critical reason why life even exists on Earth), not enough sunlight by default, the reasons go on and on.

    You'd need Kardashev level civilization technology (centuries away from us) to resolve these issues and IF you had the level of technology, it would be near infinitely easier to terraform Earth back to a healthy Biome.

    It would vastly easier to set up rotating habitats at the perfect distance from the Sun to maximize energy capture than it would to colonize Mars. Floating city habitats in the upper clouds of Venus may be easier to maintain over time than colonizing Mars.

    We'll likely send humans to Mars in the not too distant future, but living there long term is a pipe dream. It will always be a higher energy investment vs several other space colonization options. I know people love their sci-fi, but the reality will hit home after the 1st wave of tragedy and costs ramp up with Mars exploration by humans.

    Luckily Pantheon still has viable chance of release, even though some here act like it's a colonization attempt to Mars.

    You stay sassy!

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I wouldn't put VG in the half baked category whatsoever ,if anything it was simply another copy paste design full of bugs and requiring strong machines to play it.The part of needing strong machines was more likely due to it not being properly optimized or with proper sliders to tweak settings,same as the EQ series which he was also involved with.

    You know what this game is going to be,likely better polished because he knows what happened last time but imo the same old same old game design.I always cry foul when hand holding is present and i detest linear questing,but even if this game removes static npc's with yellow markers over their heads,i am not sure the game will do anything creative enough to warrant buying a new skinned rpg.

    So if you feel the need to buy EQ3 or Wow 2.0 or whatever exact formula it will use,your still getting a reskinned game.I presently reside in the best rpg i ever played,it offers what these games do aside from linear questing but MORE,MUCH more and with better plausible realism,i feel immersed and not playing a game on rails.Developers doing mmorpg's need to step up and get out of that shell of just copy/paste game design,the market is flooded with copy paste gaming.

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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    edited March 2019
    Greatness said:
    Thanks for the update but definitely disheartening that after this many years just a single zone is on its way to being developed but not actually finished yet. 
    It’s very normal actually. In the beginning it’s all about creating systems and building the bases for every single aspect of the game. This includes code and artwork. Once the bases are built you begin to assemble them. The farther along you get, the faster each stage gets. 
  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    It sounds to me that one of the main points of this PF thing is for demonstrating/showcasing the game, as much as it is for their development pipeline.

    I wonder if one of their main goals is to make that area playable at the games shows pretty soon or to pitch to more investors.

    I imagine they'll have some of those early testers spend a lot of time in that area before long.
  • BrizlynBrizlyn Member UncommonPosts: 81
    DMKano said:
    Even with all things learned and with better efficiency to complete all zones as feature complete and fully fleshed out before launch is going to take years to complete at this point.

    What's the launch date now... 2024?

    Unless they want to go the half-baked Vanguard route where its "release soon, fix and finish later" and risk alienating their core playerbase 

    Having said all that- I really hope they can pull this reference zone off and to where it all comes together in a cohesive immersive experience. 

    If the reference zone fails to grab attention and looks more like the tired old 20 year old eq1-carbon copy gameplay they've been showing so far - maybe Panthon wont be all that
    It's crazy to think that when this game started development, one of my kids was 8 years old.  When this game releases, if it does, my kid might be 18 years old and heading off to college or a full time job.  Maybe the game will take long enough to release that I'll be retired from work by the time it does, and I can pull 12 hour sessions!  Cup half full :D
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    Tiller said:
    Kyleran said:
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
    (off topic I know) Not a waste at all. Who is telling you this? They want to build colonies there to live, work, research, and harvest resources, and yes there is water in the form of ice there. It's untapped potential.  It would be stupid not to go there. Besides if shit hit the fan on earth, at least we have another habitat to conserve the human race.
    The'll not let you on the shuttle when the shit hits the fan if your not a demarcate. 
    [Deleted User]Xarko
  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605
    edited March 2019
    Greatness said:
    Thanks for the update but definitely disheartening that after this many years just a single zone is on its way to being developed but not actually finished yet. 
    If you watch the videos and streams, you will notice that there are a lot more zones. It's just that they are all not feature compete. Faerthale is gonna be the first feature complete zone. According to VR. 
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    edited March 2019
    Tiller said:
    Kyleran said:
    Anthur said:
    Any date for PF ? A project without a fixed date is no project.
    Brad has become wise enough over the years to now realize that tying yourself to artificial dates will kill you with bad publicity and public hate.

    Would rather he demonstrate progress than give a date that will not stick.

    This is not making an accounting database they are doing.
    Nor is it rocket science, yet even NASA publishes target dates for completing projects, like how to get a car sized lander down safely on the surface of Mars.

    Now there is a challenge, making new MMORPGs, not so much.

    2020 is the date for the next one.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
    (off topic I know) Not a waste at all. Who is telling you this? They want to build colonies there to live, work, research, and harvest resources, and yes there is water in the form of ice there. It's untapped potential.  It would be stupid not to go there. Besides if shit hit the fan on earth, at least we have another habitat to conserve the human race.
    The'll not let you on the shuttle when the shit hits the fan if your not a demarcate. 
    lol what?
    Post edited by Tiller on
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  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    I think the problem is that it takes a lot of time and manpower to make a quality MMORPG.  Crowdfunded games generally don't have big teams to start with so the time will probably be longer.  Also I think a big problem is player sentiment.  Things have not been kind in the gaming industry.  They're probably factoring all that in before they think about releasing it to a larger audience.  


  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    demarcate. 
    :'( :'( :'( :'(
  • svannsvann Member RarePosts: 2,230
    lahnmir said:
    In my line of work I have absolute freedom to go where I want and when I want to, on how I do my job and what I need to do it with. I can do whatever the heck I want to, as long as I meet my targets. And guess what? Those targets all have deadlines, they are the entire structure my career is based upon. Not having any is beyond unpofessional to me.

    If you can actually meet those deadlines is another discussion though.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Totally agree.  I used to have deadlines too.  But that was between me and my boss.  The future customer didnt have the right to demand to know my schedule and deadlines.
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  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,037
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
    This is one the wrongest wrongs to ever be wronged.

    Brought to you by @delete5230

    The space race in the 1960s gave us so many advancements in technology and computer science that its hard to imagine what life would be like today without it.

    To get to Mars safely and in a timely manner we would need to create a lot of new technology or make tremendous leaps in existing tech which would then filter into everyday use.
    craftseekerdruez
  • moshramoshra Member RarePosts: 400
    Xiaoki said:
    Theirs nothing on Mars for us,
    It's a waist of tax payers money !
    This is one the wrongest wrongs to ever be wronged.

    Brought to you by @delete5230

    The space race in the 1960s gave us so many advancements in technology and computer science that its hard to imagine what life would be like today without it.

    To get to Mars safely and in a timely manner we would need to create a lot of new technology or make tremendous leaps in existing tech which would then filter into everyday use.

    Or we can just convinced the aliens that provided us with current tech we have to give us the tech needed for space travel.
    craftseekerdruez
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