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Outlaws of the Old West & the Vast American Wilderness - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited March 2019 in News & Features Discussion

imageOutlaws of the Old West & the Vast American Wilderness - MMORPG.com

I've had a chance to play Outlaws of the Old West over the past couple of days. Virtual Basement has created a drop-dead gorgeous world that one can literally get lost in. Its stunning vistas promise a game filled with the wonders of old time America and the thrill of discovery that that era brought to explorers, pioneers and bandits alike. Logging in, that's what I expected but the reality was something different.

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  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,644
    insightful. Thank you for the heads up.

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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    edited March 2019
    “The developers have grand plans to make this into a real MMO (if you count 100 or so people as enough for an MMO)”

    And I don’t, but it’s enough for a decent experience if the gameplay is good.
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  • RhygarthRhygarth Member UncommonPosts: 259
    More survival BS with modular building its been done to death ffs
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    Gotta give Snail credit for at least trying to make games. That $14.99 isn't a bad price too considering some days I spend more for a meal at MACDONALD.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975

    BruceYee said:

    Gotta give Snail credit for at least trying to make games. That $14.99 isn't a bad price too considering some days I spend more for a meal at MACDONALD.



    They should try harder to complete more of the gameplay before trying to get cash from their customers.

    Even if it's free, some things are not worth trying.....like Sushi.

    ;)

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  • SignexSignex Member UncommonPosts: 319
    Unoptimized? i've seen 2 people reporting good performance with a GTX 1070. Well the other had a i9 9900K. (Why why why would you get an i9 with a 1070 is beyond me.)
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Good information.

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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    So, I just want to comment on Bill's little tidbit there at the end where he says,
    At this point, I dare say that Wild West Online is a better waste of your time than Outlaws,
    Fair warning to anyone reading that, WWO is effectively dead... so, don't seriously turn to it.

    Their official last update that I saw --- HERE
  • LililuneLililune Member UncommonPosts: 81
    At least It's not overpriced ^^
    I'm intrigued...
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  • CanPantherCanPanther Member UncommonPosts: 30
    edited March 2019
    So 6th time's the charm? For those keeping score, Outlaws of the Old West marks the 6th game released by Snail based on the same Ark code.

    "Customization options include gender, hairstyle and color, eye color, skin tone, and clothing color. I'm reasonably sure that more will be added in time." - it never is. Customization is as good as it gets.

    "Perhaps the goal is to add some kind of tutorial over time, and I'd certainly be behind that." - it took a year and 3 months to update the quest system in DnL. Prepare for a long wait.

    "The developers have grand plans to make this into a real MMO (if you count 100 or so people as enough for an MMO), but right now it's nothing like the excellent announcement trailer. It's a big open, poorly optimized world of nothing." - the devs of all the other games had big plans too, but sadly, all of them fell by the wayside as the player base dropped significantly after release. DnL had plans for 4 elemental dungeons, but only created three of them before they decided to take an ill-advised wrong turn. Instead, they created a completely different environment with different game mechanics (The Shard).

    Snail seems to give these games a certain shelf-life for support, approx. a year. Once beyond it, support becomes almost non-existent and updates drop to an occasional very minor bug fix. Keep that in mind as this game will probably end up being the same. Get your enjoyment out of it while you can.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Well a few corrections,not ARK code but yes in a way we can say ARK code,it is the Dark N Light code from 10 years ago.
    I also believe that Snail is the former NPCUBE who was sued but that i cannot prove because there is so very little information on NPCUBE and even Snail for that matter.However just like now,NPCUBE created a fake publisher that never published another game other than Dark N light,so i am seeing the exact same trends here.

    What i do know is snail creates these FAKE new business entities,like this virtual Basement is just a fake name on paper,they seem to keep doing this because imo in case of lawsuits or bankruptcy and it is just real cheap to create a business name.It also seems like an attempt to fool people into thinking different studios but mark my words,it is the SAME studio,all under Snail games.

    Anyhow their pricing is very good but this carries a double edged sword.At 15-30 bucks your paying for new art work,the game is already 99% completed for them with the template they use.
    1It is a nice price for gamer's IF you only buy one of their games.
    2 If you buy more than 1 game,you are just paying for mods,mostly graphic mods but yes the price seems fair.

    NPCUBE was sued for stealing environment code,now unde a new entity Snail and each game having it's own fake developer and publisher they might very well be stealing or using the same code as 10 years ago.The change now is using the Unreal engine and Speedtree is part of Unreal licensing,they have it covered.

    My synopsis,they will keep churning these out and very quickly as fast cash grabs,likely why we haven't seen a cash shop yet.What is annoying/bothersome is Snail like other studios pretends to be releasing unfinished games but then right after release/cash grab,they start on another game,leaving but a few to handle the last game.
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  • CanPantherCanPanther Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Wizardry said:
    My synopsis,they will keep churning these out and very quickly as fast cash grabs,likely why we haven't seen a cash shop yet.What is annoying/bothersome is Snail like other studios pretends to be releasing unfinished games but then right after release/cash grab,they start on another game,leaving but a few to handle the last game.
    This is the main take-away. The dev teams for each game decrease significantly after about a year of EA. DnL had a shake-up in Sept. '18 (release was July '17). 
    You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
    You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
    I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill

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  • QuicksandQuicksand Member UncommonPosts: 683
    In the article it says "it's enough given that Outlaws is a first-person.."

    I presumed it would have a 3rd person option simple based on it being snail games, and they have a 3rd person option for both D&L and Ark.

    Anyone know if this has 3rd person? I was hoping to buy it at the sale price on steam, but cant do 1st person..

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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503
    Wizardry said:
    Well a few corrections,not ARK code but yes in a way we can say ARK code,it is the Dark N Light code from 10 years ago.
    I also believe that Snail is the former NPCUBE who was sued but that i cannot prove because there is so very little information on NPCUBE and even Snail for that matter.However just like now,NPCUBE created a fake publisher that never published another game other than Dark N light,so i am seeing the exact same trends here.

    What i do know is snail creates these FAKE new business entities,like this virtual Basement is just a fake name on paper,they seem to keep doing this because imo in case of lawsuits or bankruptcy and it is just real cheap to create a business name.It also seems like an attempt to fool people into thinking different studios but mark my words,it is the SAME studio,all under Snail games.

    Anyhow their pricing is very good but this carries a double edged sword.At 15-30 bucks your paying for new art work,the game is already 99% completed for them with the template they use.
    1It is a nice price for gamer's IF you only buy one of their games.
    2 If you buy more than 1 game,you are just paying for mods,mostly graphic mods but yes the price seems fair.

    NPCUBE was sued for stealing environment code,now unde a new entity Snail and each game having it's own fake developer and publisher they might very well be stealing or using the same code as 10 years ago.The change now is using the Unreal engine and Speedtree is part of Unreal licensing,they have it covered.

    My synopsis,they will keep churning these out and very quickly as fast cash grabs,likely why we haven't seen a cash shop yet.What is annoying/bothersome is Snail like other studios pretends to be releasing unfinished games but then right after release/cash grab,they start on another game,leaving but a few to handle the last game.
    Virtual Basement is not a fake company "On paper" Link unless of course you mean they only worked on a few other titles.

    The Engine is Unreal 4, which did not exist ten years ago (released 2014) so saying it is based on the same "code" as Ark, is pretty accurate since they both use Unreal 4.

    NPCube reached out to Snailgames with help publishing, Snail games had nothing to do with the lawsuit that VWORLD LLC brought against NPCUBE and Farlan Entertainment. Yes, NPCube was found guilty of using VWORLDS software and ended up paying restitution.

    So no one (at least not as far as you can prove right now) is stealing anything nor are there any fake publishers or developers here. Snail games being the parent organization, but there are definitely different studios under that organization.

    As you usual, your assertions are baseless and senseless.

    It would be cool to see a western themed MMO get released, I would certainly like to play it.
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  • OshrycOshryc Member UncommonPosts: 153
    edited March 2019
    We need to know if MMORPG.com is getting paid to sponsor this game. This game is obviously a fucking joke and a money grab, just like Atlas. Refund issued and will never buy a game associated with Snail or Wildcards code. Burn me once shame on you burn me twice shame on me. [mod edit]
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503
    edited March 2019

    Cobane said:

    We need to know if MMORPG.com is getting paid to sponsor this game. This game is obviously a fucking joke and a money grab, just like Atlas. Refund issued and will never buy a game associated with Snail or Wildcards code. Burn me once shame on you burn me twice shame on me. [mod edit]



    They aren't.
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  • sschruppsschrupp Member UncommonPosts: 693

    Quicksand said:

    In the article it says "it's enough given that Outlaws is a first-person.."



    I presumed it would have a 3rd person option simple based on it being snail games, and they have a 3rd person option for both D&L and Ark.



    Anyone know if this has 3rd person? I was hoping to buy it at the sale price on steam, but cant do 1st person..



    Saw a couple streams this morning with them playing in 3rd person.
    Quicksand
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Good article. That New World game from Amazon should have been a western, it would have been more interesting especially with players being encouraged to build forts and put together towns.

    I think it would have been more interesting to wake up buried in that coffin and have to fight your way out (shallow grave). Or, how about you find yourself hanging from a tree and just before you blackout the rope breaks?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Good article. That New World game from Amazon should have been a western, it would have been more interesting especially with players being encouraged to build forts and put together towns.

    I think it would have been more interesting to wake up buried in that coffin and have to fight your way out (shallow grave). Or, how about you find yourself hanging from a tree and just before you blackout the rope breaks?
     Both ideas are better than waking up on shore after a ship wreck.
    ManWithNoTan

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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 5,075
    I heard the majority of the landscape is sticks, rocks and trees
  • CitizenX007CitizenX007 Member UncommonPosts: 75
    * presses his finger tips to his temples * I predict that this game will flop! * passes out from psychic exertion *
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited March 2019
    I don't like how Snail operates but i have to say one thing,the guy was WAy ahead of his time.

    At the time EQ was garnering praise he had his own mmorpg that closely resembles what he is doing now a days with Ark/Atlas/DnL.His game was called Voyage Century and imo since he would have started making it around 96/7/8 was a pretty good game that had i know of it at the time,i likely would have played it.

    Think about it,this guy delivered content ideas no other mmorpg had even to this very day,including Wow/Lotro/EQ whatever have not delivered.He had his sailing ships and if you look over all the expansions he added a lot of ideas that we see now.
    So what it looks like now is he is redoing all his old work and ideas with newer graphics and modernizing the games he is making.


    IMO and i have never played this outlaws game,it will be a decently good/addictive game to play and like his other games offer a more immersive rpg experience than actual rpgs.

    Even after all the bashing i do of Snail,i thought about it,they are delivering in essence mods of the same game template,at least their pricing is fair and indicative of a mod.Imo if you have never played any game built by this guy,perhaps you should give one a go,imo they have good value,that is if you want a more immersive/plausible realism type game.If all you want from a rpg perspective is loot/quests,then eyah his games won't deliver,you have to go back to his Voyage century for that.
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  • GamerGran61GamerGran61 Newbie CommonPosts: 2
    I think this is all very negative and quite unfair on the whole. For a game that is in very early access and at a very reasonable price I think it looks beautiful, has loads of content and although it clearly and understandably needs refining is an enjoyable game to play as it stands. If you arent able to work out how to craft or build Id respectfully suggest the problem is with you - not the devs - it was perfectly logical to even my old brain! Im quite sure that several of the (very well known and popular) YouTubers who have started Lets Play series on the game will agree that with me too. At least its not another post apocalyptic zombie game - YAWN.
    ManWithNoTan
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited March 2019
    I think this is all very negative and quite unfair on the whole. For a game that is in very early access and at a very reasonable price I think it looks beautiful, has loads of content and although it clearly and understandably needs refining is an enjoyable game to play as it stands. If you arent able to work out how to craft or build Id respectfully suggest the problem is with you - not the devs - it was perfectly logical to even my old brain! Im quite sure that several of the (very well known and popular) YouTubers who have started Lets Play series on the game will agree that with me too. At least its not another post apocalyptic zombie game - YAWN.
    Welcome to the forums, "keep coming back."

    Here's the thing, early access is bad, no how cheap or whether gamers are unaware or intentionally obtuse to why. 

    In the case of this developer,  they have three unfinished games atm with little incentive to actually do so.

    Coming up next, a space game no doubt. 

    Finally,  youtubers and streaming are a scourge on the landscape, and yet another sign of the coming apocalypse. 

    Watching other people play video games, about as dumb as it gets....

    :D


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