For me price comes secondary to accessibility and convenience.
Take ESO for example, the steam version is riddled with problems, thus I would avoid it even if the price is superior to the Zenimax shop.
Being able to play with my friends is also more important than price.
Generally I'd say that price is important, but it's lagging behind more important (for me obviously) features.
Epic shop may have the deep pockets to basically buy tons of indie developers, but the actual shop is inferior to the competition. Exclusives do not change the fact, merely magnify the issues.
what is inferior? You see the product you buy it you download it.
What else is there?
I'm not advocating for one over the other but I don't see where one is better than the other as far as "seeing the product/buying the product/downloading the product."
Are you talking about the end product? That is supposed to be the same regardless of where you bought it.
If we're talking about the store itself, then Epic is months away from offering the same conveniences and advantages steam does. I don't think it's in my best interest to reward anti-consumer behaviour via exclusives, DRM on top of the store one and lack of customer reviews.
Just a heads up alot of fraudulent charges dealing with Epic and really lousy customer support, google it. I would NOT put my CC information into their platform, Also have read their platform is Chinese spyware. I'd proceed with caution.
actually if you understand anything about security you will never put your CC info on the internet, ever, and when buying something you never let your CC out of your sight, a lot of cameras caught employees taking pictures of your CC, both sides for use and they copy your password too so you always look if the value in the machine is the right price before typing
If I understand my credit card I know that fraudulent charges will get reversed. I have actually gone back to it from using PayPal.
For me price comes secondary to accessibility and convenience.
Take ESO for example, the steam version is riddled with problems, thus I would avoid it even if the price is superior to the Zenimax shop.
Being able to play with my friends is also more important than price.
Generally I'd say that price is important, but it's lagging behind more important (for me obviously) features.
Epic shop may have the deep pockets to basically buy tons of indie developers, but the actual shop is inferior to the competition. Exclusives do not change the fact, merely magnify the issues.
what is inferior? You see the product you buy it you download it.
What else is there?
I'm not advocating for one over the other but I don't see where one is better than the other as far as "seeing the product/buying the product/downloading the product."
Are you talking about the end product? That is supposed to be the same regardless of where you bought it.
If we're talking about the store itself, then Epic is months away from offering the same conveniences and advantages steam does. I don't think it's in my best interest to reward anti-consumer behaviour via exclusives, DRM on top of the store one and lack of customer reviews.
So what else do you need from a store? It's an honest question. I see the product, I buy the product.
What are you actually looking for other than that?
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It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
Personally, I have nothing against Epic's way of 'breaking into the business' so to speak, but it crosses a line when they are stealing your data without the average person knowing and then saying they'll "only use it when the user gives permission." I'd say a lot of people have a problem with that? But I could be wrong....They only did it with steam files this time, no telling what else next time.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
I agree. Personally, I welcome this.
Valve's high profit take and complete lack of any kind of vetting standards have led to a platform where developers make less money per sale and have to share release window visibility with asset flips and disingenuously edgy hate speech games. We're seeing the natural market result of that.
Watching people melt down over something not being on Steam is fairly Epic.
You have 3 other options to buy the game but that is not good enough either.
This is my last comment on the matter, since the game was passively interesting until they made their decision to make it exclusive. I find it odd that you mentioned 3 other options (which means you count 4) to purchase as an alternative to Steam on PC.
Unless you're not talking about PC, which would make it an odd argument having to buy extra hardware for a game I may not even be interested in one year from now.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
So Red Dead Redemption being an exclusive title on the PS4 improves the PC or Xbox via competition, how exactly?
What exactly do I gain as a customer from a Halo exclusive release on the Microsoft Store? (I know it isn't).
Exclusive deals are not competition. In fact, it is the opposite, an attempt to remove competition from the picture altogether.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
So Red Dead Redemption being an exclusive title on the PS4 improves the PC or Xbox via competition, how exactly?
What exactly do I gain as a customer from a Halo exclusive release on the Microsoft Store? (I know it isn't).
It's competition for the developers too, you know. As for RDR, I don't care. If it comes to PC in the future, I'll play it. If it doesn't, I don't give a rip. I have lots of ways to spend my entertainment dollars including other games, movies, travel, books, etc. I'm refuse to get my knickers in a twist over a developer or publisher choosing one platform over another. It's the way of the world to be disappointed from time to time.
People are just so darned angsty over everything. Gaming is fun, but it's ultimately meaningless.
I choose the hills I'm willing to die on. Gaming will never be one of them.
So much manufactured outrage. One guy even saying he will play it on PS4 (a console known for exclusives lol).
Like, how come no one bitches about the majority of the battlefield series not being on steam? They did about metro series and metro has never been a blockbuster series. Same with Apex Legends... can't get that on steam. Tons of other games too. And I am not counting GoG and the games they work to bring back (but really, those are games exclusive to them and not steam).
Like, Valve has to be laughing right now... "Muhahaha people are such fanboys they demand developers use our store and pay us more!!".
Then there is the whole steam features bullshit. 99% of gamers have no interest in playing on Linux but that is one that people pretend to care about. Then there is the whole achievements thing (cause getting rewarded for either doing what you were supposed to do or replaying content until you get a stupid badge is so awesome lol). Chat/Voice chat? Barely anyone uses it. Its why discord and even skype to a much lesser extent is so popular.
You guys keep trying to be upset. Have fun finding things to rage about.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
So Red Dead Redemption being an exclusive title on the PS4 improves the PC or Xbox via competition, how exactly?
What exactly do I gain as a customer from a Halo exclusive release on the Microsoft Store? (I know it isn't).
Exclusive deals are not competition. In fact, it is the opposite, an attempt to remove competition from the picture altogether.
And here we go again comparing where you buy it from to a platform exclusive. Can’t argue with your non-logic.
Epic becoming a serious digital store front PS4 games coming to PC Google making games Cuphead coming to Switch Nintendo giving an indie studio a Zelda title
weird week in the gaming world...
Don’t pretend like Cuphead coming to the Switch isn’t the best news of this week!
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
I agree. Personally, I welcome this.
Valve's high profit take and complete lack of any kind of vetting standards have led to a platform where developers make less money per sale and have to share release window visibility with asset flips and disingenuously edgy hate speech games. We're seeing the natural market result of that.
Okay, so let's say the dream of you gamer progressives in this thread plays out and Epic dethrones Steam. What happens to the customer base and service that has taken Steam 15 years to build up WITHOUT any exclusives besides their in-house developed games? If their 70% of the PC gaming market audience dwindles SO DOES the potential revenue of all the legit games and the income it provides to those legit developers that Steam gave a chance to make money doing what they love. Not saying there isn't some garbage on there but you know what not every developer is a genius programmer/artist. Many of those games did not cost millions to make so that take home 70% is fine for them. For people who claim to care about developers many of you in this thread are quick to immediately cheer for the unsure "disingenuous" alternative that could possibly deprive many people of their livelihood.
Do you guys also really think for a second that if Epic fully destroys Steam they won't think twice about raising their fee to use their vastly inferior product?
Epic becoming a serious digital store front PS4 games coming to PC Google making games Cuphead coming to Switch Nintendo giving an indie studio a Zelda title
weird week in the gaming world...
Don’t pretend like Cuphead coming to the Switch isn’t the best news of this week!
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm indifferent to it. 'Hard for the sake of being hard' is never going to resonate with me.
Now, Halo the Master Chief Collection on PC is a legitimate contender for best news of the week.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
I agree. Personally, I welcome this.
Valve's high profit take and complete lack of any kind of vetting standards have led to a platform where developers make less money per sale and have to share release window visibility with asset flips and disingenuously edgy hate speech games. We're seeing the natural market result of that.
Okay, so let's say the dream of you gamer progressives in this thread plays out and Epic dethrones Steam. What happens to the customer base and service that has taken Steam 15 years to build up WITHOUT any exclusives besides their in-house developed games? If their 70% of the PC gaming market audience dwindles SO DOES the potential revenue of all the legit games and the income it provides to those legit developers that Steam gave a chance to make money doing what they love. Not saying there isn't some garbage on there but you know what not every developer is a genius programmer/artist. Many of those games did not cost millions to make so that take home 70% is fine for them. For people who claim to care about developers many of you in this thread are quick to immediately cheer for the unsure "disingenuous" alternative that could possibly deprive many people of their livelihood.
Do you guys also really think for a second that if Epic fully destroys Steam they won't think twice about raising their fee to use their vastly inferior product?
It's hard to respect your argument when you deal with such blatant extremes.
First, not supporting a "fuck it, anything goes" policy isn't tantamount to censorship or extreme progressivism. I'm not advocating for Grand Theft Auto to be pulled from the platform. However, a system that can allow video games to be associated with school shooting simulators, interactive rape, and the wholesale pointless murder of gay people (only being removed retroactively if it gets enough attention) isn't conducive to a healthy reputation for games or gamers. I know I am certainly tired of the "gamer" identification I proudly wear being associated with angry, childish, hateful fuckwits. It certainly isn't good for a market that doesn't want actual government censorship of art.
Second, no one is saying that Epic will destroy Steam or that it even should be destroyed. The intelligent among us are saying "hello, maybe some actual strong competition might be good for the entire PC games marketplace." It's good for the developer, it's good for the Steam customer, and it's good for gaming.
Remember when people said the epic store would bring competition? Exclusive titles don't create competition.
Bullshit. Exclusive titles are the backbone of console competition. And many of the best games ever made are made explicitly because console holders are willing to risk a loss on hugely invested first party games to sell their platform.
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I don't use pirated software but I'm going seed torrent with my seedbox until it gets Steam-GoG release.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
If we're talking about the store itself, then Epic is months away from offering the same conveniences and advantages steam does. I don't think it's in my best interest to reward anti-consumer behaviour via exclusives, DRM on top of the store one and lack of customer reviews.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Valve's high profit take and complete lack of any kind of vetting standards have led to a platform where developers make less money per sale and have to share release window visibility with asset flips and disingenuously edgy hate speech games. We're seeing the natural market result of that.
Unless you're not talking about PC, which would make it an odd argument having to buy extra hardware for a game I may not even be interested in one year from now.
What exactly do I gain as a customer from a Halo exclusive release on the Microsoft Store? (I know it isn't).
Exclusive deals are not competition. In fact, it is the opposite, an attempt to remove competition from the picture altogether.
People are just so darned angsty over everything. Gaming is fun, but it's ultimately meaningless.
I choose the hills I'm willing to die on. Gaming will never be one of them.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Like, how come no one bitches about the majority of the battlefield series not being on steam? They did about metro series and metro has never been a blockbuster series. Same with Apex Legends... can't get that on steam. Tons of other games too. And I am not counting GoG and the games they work to bring back (but really, those are games exclusive to them and not steam).
Like, Valve has to be laughing right now... "Muhahaha people are such fanboys they demand developers use our store and pay us more!!".
Then there is the whole steam features bullshit. 99% of gamers have no interest in playing on Linux but that is one that people pretend to care about. Then there is the whole achievements thing (cause getting rewarded for either doing what you were supposed to do or replaying content until you get a stupid badge is so awesome lol). Chat/Voice chat? Barely anyone uses it. Its why discord and even skype to a much lesser extent is so popular.
You guys keep trying to be upset. Have fun finding things to rage about.
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거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Now, Halo the Master Chief Collection on PC is a legitimate contender for best news of the week.
First, not supporting a "fuck it, anything goes" policy isn't tantamount to censorship or extreme progressivism. I'm not advocating for Grand Theft Auto to be pulled from the platform. However, a system that can allow video games to be associated with school shooting simulators, interactive rape, and the wholesale pointless murder of gay people (only being removed retroactively if it gets enough attention) isn't conducive to a healthy reputation for games or gamers. I know I am certainly tired of the "gamer" identification I proudly wear being associated with angry, childish, hateful fuckwits. It certainly isn't good for a market that doesn't want actual government censorship of art.
Second, no one is saying that Epic will destroy Steam or that it even should be destroyed. The intelligent among us are saying "hello, maybe some actual strong competition might be good for the entire PC games marketplace." It's good for the developer, it's good for the Steam customer, and it's good for gaming.