At this point; Is Steam even doing anything to give devs/publishers an incentive to release on their platform without the delay? I mean, sure...it sucks if you dislike the Epic store front, but I would have expected Steam to defend their position a bit more aggressively...
don't belive steam cares, they know epic is strong arming thenselfs to push inside, but chances are they don't belive they can keep this up for long and eventually they will start to cut, plus if steam cared about any competition they wouldn't let the devs who promised to sell on his plataform leave.
but its like someone already said here and I said several times before, epic is not giving the players any advantage to choose then, they are forcing you do so, but in the end of the day I tend to buy from steam because steam is cheaper, so in then end of the day steam is the player friendly one, and fromt he way things are going it will be steam who is players friendly when epic is dev friendly, and any smart person will choose what gives you the most benefit, the rushers, who like day 1 games full of bugs and half content are not the smart person category so.
Both games I've bought from the Epic store were complete games with no discernable/small bugs (so far). Both have been bought within a month of release.
You gotta wait for the majority of games on Steam to bake well beyond the release date because, well, Steam doesn't give a shit about even a minimum standard of quality. It's actually quite refreshing to launch a digital storefront and not be bombarded with ads for bullshit, half-baked EA titles.
That makes no sense. If the argument is "the store has no relation to the game's state at launch" so you can't use the same argument to defend epic and bash steam.
What's your deal in defending epic store?
Epic store is a good thing. What's your problem with Steam having some competition? Is it too much of a burden to have to game launchers on your computer?
yes it is, even more if I don't want to, plus I already told you, only reason I buy from steam is price, I wait for a year at least before buying a game and wait for some promo with 50% cut on price, if not the same game same price and all I buy it from gog, DRM free is so much better
I dont get why people like you are even bitching ... You had no intention of ever supporting the developers, artists, programmers, writers, qa people, etc anyways! You weren't going to buy day 1 even if it was on steam, because you guys just leech onto the games when they are 50-75% off. And by then the game will be on steam anyways. SO why complain? It will be there for your sale price so you can continue supporting valve and not the companies actually making the games you claim you love.
But I do want to thank you for being such a contributing member to our hobby/community.
support? serious you are a fool, who complain about people who really support thenselfs by knowing very well how much valuable is his money and time, you are a addicted little kid (dont matter your real age), who just want his next hit don't matter how much it will cost,
kenshi I bought before the game was even ready because they showed they was working on something worth while, even before the game was complete you could play the game very well, tahtis the kind of support I give, want me to buy from you? make it worth my time, if not don't cry I don't support you, I don't support crap, and most games today are crap
in the end of the day, people like you is the reason games are not as good as they was before
Expecting developers to NOT take an exclusivity deal from EPIC when they are paying more than Steam is utterly ridiculous.
I don't care what platform the game is sold on, if it is good I'll buy it. People complain about the most trivial things these days.
Say we are in the dawn of futuristic cars, cars that require launchers to coordinate and zoom on your path. Say you want the new TurboCarZ, but it requires a Turbo Launcher. So you get it and put the Turbo Launcher in your yard. 6 months later the CarTurboZ comes out but it requires a Z Launcher. So you get that launcher and shove it in your yard too. A year later the newest and coolest supreme car comes out called the SkylineRZ which requires an RZ launcher. At which point do you say fuck it and give up? Keep in my they all use the same road of travel, the virtual road, but they all require a different startup to process.
Trivial indeed...
[[ DEAD ]] - Funny - I deleted my account on the site using the cancel account button. Forum user is separate and still exists with no way of deleting it. Delete it admins. Do it, this ends now.
I wanted to buy Operencia yesterday in the Epic store.
So I proceeded to make an account; filled in my emailadress and got notified I already had an account.
Do you want to change your password? Ok.
So i changed my password and logged in.
It was an aaccount from someone in Thailand (I am in Europe)
So no.not gonna buy something there….
yeah I get that too from a old account I don't use anymore, I notice someone from thayland made a account for it, so what I did? I changed teh pass of that account to another e-mail and changed the password, I could even check what did happen with that account now, but serious I don't even bother I possible fucked someone else game or not since he would be possible be banned from hacking in fortnite
$250......um what exactly is in this chest that pretty steep.
Well, the chest, game (in a steelbook) and season pass to start. Then 10 figurines, 4 keychains, cloth map of the galaxy, snap model, 5 art lithos, weapon skins and "bonus content".
Guess I'm gonna have to learn twin-stick shooting, because the chest is apparently only for ps4 and xbone.
Nvm, the PC listing for it is up now.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
At this point; Is Steam even doing anything to give devs/publishers an incentive to release on their platform without the delay? I mean, sure...it sucks if you dislike the Epic store front, but I would have expected Steam to defend their position a bit more aggressively...
At this point; Is Steam even doing anything to give devs/publishers an incentive to release on their platform without the delay? I mean, sure...it sucks if you dislike the Epic store front, but I would have expected Steam to defend their position a bit more aggressively...
don't belive steam cares, they know epic is strong arming thenselfs to push inside, but chances are they don't belive they can keep this up for long and eventually they will start to cut, plus if steam cared about any competition they wouldn't let the devs who promised to sell on his plataform leave.
but its like someone already said here and I said several times before, epic is not giving the players any advantage to choose then, they are forcing you do so, but in the end of the day I tend to buy from steam because steam is cheaper, so in then end of the day steam is the player friendly one, and fromt he way things are going it will be steam who is players friendly when epic is dev friendly, and any smart person will choose what gives you the most benefit, the rushers, who like day 1 games full of bugs and half content are not the smart person category so.
Both games I've bought from the Epic store were complete games with no discernable/small bugs (so far). Both have been bought within a month of release.
You gotta wait for the majority of games on Steam to bake well beyond the release date because, well, Steam doesn't give a shit about even a minimum standard of quality. It's actually quite refreshing to launch a digital storefront and not be bombarded with ads for bullshit, half-baked EA titles.
That makes no sense. If the argument is "the store has no relation to the game's state at launch" so you can't use the same argument to defend epic and bash steam.
What's your deal in defending epic store?
I didn't make the argument that the storefront has no relation. I specifically said my experience with Epic doesn't jive with his assessment.
My deal is defending an attempt to provide competition in the storefront space. I know, I know: "Exclusives that cost me nothing, GRRRRR!"
Expecting developers to NOT take an exclusivity deal from EPIC when they are paying more than Steam is utterly ridiculous.
I don't care what platform the game is sold on, if it is good I'll buy it. People complain about the most trivial things these days.
Say we are in the dawn of futuristic cars, cars that require launchers to coordinate and zoom on your path. Say you want the new TurboCarZ, but it requires a Turbo Launcher. So you get it and put the Turbo Launcher in your yard. 6 months later the CarTurboZ comes out but it requires a Z Launcher. So you get that launcher and shove it in your yard too. A year later the newest and coolest supreme car comes out called the SkylineRZ which requires an RZ launcher. At which point do you say fuck it and give up? Keep in my they all use the same road of travel, the virtual road, but they all require a different startup to process.
Trivial indeed...
Only, this isn't anything like items taking up space in a damn yard, c'mon.
Tell me again: what direction is PC storage space heading in terms of cost, and what direction are real estate prices (generally) heading? Now, compare the price in general for real estate to disk space. Oh wait, that blows up the entire analogy.
These topics should be called Rinse and Repeat. Same comments over and over just different game name. People said it would not last due to nerd rage over Metro, then we moved to Division 2, then Outer Worlds, and now Borderlands 3. Lets keep moving that goal post folks.
It makes little difference with the amount of games to buy and play. Storefront exclusives only hurt sales potential, imo. Their loss, I have 20 games on my steam and amazon wishlist already.
Should not hurt sales as it is just a launcher. Console exclusives are different as you really are cutting your playerbase. This is about manufactured rage that something people have gotten used to is being challenged. But again is what it is. Play it or dont but in the end it will change very little as Epic already had a huge built in playerbase just because of Fortnite. So the 50 people here who care matter little in the scheme of things.
Just a launcher that steals files from your pc and 'will only use them if the user acknowledges but remain encrypted until otherwise.' Couple that with their launcher just being horrible for the most part. To each their own. Gearbox is hoping to bank on people's impatience, which is fine, but they are going into bet with a company that is being backed by a group that sees laws 'differently' (tencent).
These topics should be called Rinse and Repeat. Same comments over and over just different game name. People said it would not last due to nerd rage over Metro, then we moved to Division 2, then Outer Worlds, and now Borderlands 3. Lets keep moving that goal post folks.
It makes little difference with the amount of games to buy and play. Storefront exclusives only hurt sales potential, imo. Their loss, I have 20 games on my steam and amazon wishlist already.
Should not hurt sales as it is just a launcher. Console exclusives are different as you really are cutting your playerbase. This is about manufactured rage that something people have gotten used to is being challenged. But again is what it is. Play it or dont but in the end it will change very little as Epic already had a huge built in playerbase just because of Fortnite. So the 50 people here who care matter little in the scheme of things.
85 million downloaded, to be as precise as Epic allows, 40% of which don't have Steam installed (there's that Fortnite userbase you were alluding to).
Epic doesnt have: Reviews, Mod support, user profiles, cloud saves, forums, item trading, library sorting, account sharing, streaming to other devices, wish lists, user guides; it also has pretty terrible account security - personally had my account compromised twice in the past year. Forcing people to buy certain games from your shop is not competition, its just strong arming. I really don't understand why people are defending Epic. Steam takes a cut for a lot of other supportive features. Sure I want a solid competitor for Steam, not this risky anti-consumer wannabe store.
Louder for the ones in the back please.
EDIT: Also to add that yet again another series of games that has been split between launchers, Metro, Deadspace, Mass Effect now borderlands. Whatever guess I will wait for it to hit steam store if I even buy it at all, now. Making it avaible on all launchers would give these guys more money for the people that want to use X over Y. However the fact is that Epic store front sucks and the only reason they have as many people as they do is because of Fortnite and they keep cutting people exclusive deals. If the game was released on Steam and Epic, the many would out weigh the few.
I guess i will just pick it up for my XB1X instead of PC. Not that I am against buying it from the Epic store but I have an extensive game library on steam and just prefer not to have another launcher.
Seems like the developers would be better off selling the game on both as opposed to Epic only at launch.
If it was a PC only game I really wanted and it was only available on Epics store I would buy it. As it is a game like BL3 will look and play just as well on my Xbox as on my PC.
Expecting developers to NOT take an exclusivity deal from EPIC when they are paying more than Steam is utterly ridiculous.
I don't care what platform the game is sold on, if it is good I'll buy it. People complain about the most trivial things these days.
Say we are in the dawn of futuristic cars, cars that require launchers to coordinate and zoom on your path. Say you want the new TurboCarZ, but it requires a Turbo Launcher. So you get it and put the Turbo Launcher in your yard. 6 months later the CarTurboZ comes out but it requires a Z Launcher. So you get that launcher and shove it in your yard too. A year later the newest and coolest supreme car comes out called the SkylineRZ which requires an RZ launcher. At which point do you say fuck it and give up? Keep in my they all use the same road of travel, the virtual road, but they all require a different startup to process.
Trivial indeed...
Just create a folder in your yard and put all the launchers in there.
At this point; Is Steam even doing anything to give devs/publishers an incentive to release on their platform without the delay? I mean, sure...it sucks if you dislike the Epic store front, but I would have expected Steam to defend their position a bit more aggressively...
don't belive steam cares, they know epic is strong arming thenselfs to push inside, but chances are they don't belive they can keep this up for long and eventually they will start to cut, plus if steam cared about any competition they wouldn't let the devs who promised to sell on his plataform leave.
but its like someone already said here and I said several times before, epic is not giving the players any advantage to choose then, they are forcing you do so, but in the end of the day I tend to buy from steam because steam is cheaper, so in then end of the day steam is the player friendly one, and fromt he way things are going it will be steam who is players friendly when epic is dev friendly, and any smart person will choose what gives you the most benefit, the rushers, who like day 1 games full of bugs and half content are not the smart person category so.
Both games I've bought from the Epic store were complete games with no discernable/small bugs (so far). Both have been bought within a month of release.
You gotta wait for the majority of games on Steam to bake well beyond the release date because, well, Steam doesn't give a shit about even a minimum standard of quality. It's actually quite refreshing to launch a digital storefront and not be bombarded with ads for bullshit, half-baked EA titles.
I believe Epic's flagship title is still early access :P Apparently, it still tastes good half baked, must be like a brownie
Epic doesnt have: Reviews, Mod support, user profiles, cloud saves, forums, item trading, library sorting, account sharing, streaming to other devices, wish lists, user guides; it also has pretty terrible account security - personally had my account compromised twice in the past year. Forcing people to buy certain games from your shop is not competition, its just strong arming. I really don't understand why people are defending Epic. Steam takes a cut for a lot of other supportive features. Sure I want a solid competitor for Steam, not this risky anti-consumer wannabe store.
While I agree with you to some degree, I know I don't need any of those features from Steam. (well, better account security, sure that is going to improve though) And no one is being forced to do anything. 2K is probably confident they will be able to make more money on release selling exclusively on EPIC. I can't imagine very many people who want this game won't buy it because of the platform it's on. And if they don't I can't imagine they have a good reason. Steam is no charity, no friend to the gamers. They are just another business. Their return policy and other gamer friendly stuff was all legally forced on them, or just their to make their service more profitable.
At this point; Is Steam even doing anything to give devs/publishers an incentive to release on their platform without the delay? I mean, sure...it sucks if you dislike the Epic store front, but I would have expected Steam to defend their position a bit more aggressively...
don't belive steam cares, they know epic is strong arming thenselfs to push inside, but chances are they don't belive they can keep this up for long and eventually they will start to cut, plus if steam cared about any competition they wouldn't let the devs who promised to sell on his plataform leave.
but its like someone already said here and I said several times before, epic is not giving the players any advantage to choose then, they are forcing you do so, but in the end of the day I tend to buy from steam because steam is cheaper, so in then end of the day steam is the player friendly one, and fromt he way things are going it will be steam who is players friendly when epic is dev friendly, and any smart person will choose what gives you the most benefit, the rushers, who like day 1 games full of bugs and half content are not the smart person category so.
Both games I've bought from the Epic store were complete games with no discernable/small bugs (so far). Both have been bought within a month of release.
You gotta wait for the majority of games on Steam to bake well beyond the release date because, well, Steam doesn't give a shit about even a minimum standard of quality. It's actually quite refreshing to launch a digital storefront and not be bombarded with ads for bullshit, half-baked EA titles.
That makes no sense. If the argument is "the store has no relation to the game's state at launch" so you can't use the same argument to defend epic and bash steam.
What's your deal in defending epic store?
Epic store is a good thing. What's your problem with Steam having some competition? Is it too much of a burden to have to game launchers on your computer?
yes it is, even more if I don't want to, plus I already told you, only reason I buy from steam is price, I wait for a year at least before buying a game and wait for some promo with 50% cut on price, if not the same game same price and all I buy it from gog, DRM free is so much better
I dont get why people like you are even bitching ... You had no intention of ever supporting the developers, artists, programmers, writers, qa people, etc anyways! You weren't going to buy day 1 even if it was on steam, because you guys just leech onto the games when they are 50-75% off. And by then the game will be on steam anyways. SO why complain? It will be there for your sale price so you can continue supporting valve and not the companies actually making the games you claim you love.
But I do want to thank you for being such a contributing member to our hobby/community.
support? serious you are a fool, who complain about people who really support thenselfs by knowing very well how much valuable is his money and time, you are a addicted little kid (dont matter your real age), who just want his next hit don't matter how much it will cost,
kenshi I bought before the game was even ready because they showed they was working on something worth while, even before the game was complete you could play the game very well, tahtis the kind of support I give, want me to buy from you? make it worth my time, if not don't cry I don't support you, I don't support crap, and most games today are crap
in the end of the day, people like you is the reason games are not as good as they was before
support.... funny little guy
Addicted little kid(no matter the age)? ... Lol no I am a well adjusted adult with a good job that can afford to buy what I want, and I don't care where I have to buy it. Is this thing only sold at Best Buy? Ok well going there if I want it. I don't cry about pointless stupid shit. And personally there are a ton of "great games" I don't buy due to them not appealing to me, not because they are sold on a tiny app on the internet I don't want to download because I am a giant manbaby thats ok with a monopoly with no quality control. I have no unnecessary attachment to Valve or steam. I cannot understand why you guys are so dependent on them for a sense of self worth.
Grats you bought an early access game on steam... another aspect of gaming that many people have a problem with because Valve does no quality control with what half made cash grabs come to their platform.
Epic doesnt have: Reviews, Mod support, user profiles, cloud saves, forums, item trading, library sorting, account sharing, streaming to other devices, wish lists, user guides; it also has pretty terrible account security - personally had my account compromised twice in the past year. Forcing people to buy certain games from your shop is not competition, its just strong arming. I really don't understand why people are defending Epic. Steam takes a cut for a lot of other supportive features. Sure I want a solid competitor for Steam, not this risky anti-consumer wannabe store.
While I agree with you to some degree, I know I don't need any of those features from Steam. (well, better account security, sure that is going to improve though) And no one is being forced to do anything. 2K is probably confident they will be able to make more money on release selling exclusively on EPIC. I can't imagine very many people who want this game won't buy it because of the platform it's on. And if they don't I can't imagine they have a good reason. Steam is no charity, no friend to the gamers. They are just another business. Their return policy and other gamer friendly stuff was all legally forced on them, or just their to make their service more profitable.
I can't speak for everyone but for me, some of those features are important. I won't by a game unless I like what the reviews have to say and having it on Steam makes it convenient. Not having that feature tells me Epic doesn't want you to know if the game is good or bad it just wants you to buy it.
You say you want better account security but Epic admitted their launch reads files in your Steam directory. To me, that's spyware and a big violation of trust. Why should I believe anything they say after that? Steam is not my friend and neither is Epic. If Epic is trying to get my business by having exclusives, they're just telling me their store has nothing else to offer. And since Epic is also a business their return policy was legally forced on them too.
Yes, Steam has a lot of room for improvement. So does Epic. Thing is Steam earned its chance with me. Epic has not and doesn't seem to want to. It wants to demand I install it in order to get certain games and that's one game I won't play.
At this point; Is Steam even doing anything to give devs/publishers an incentive to release on their platform without the delay? I mean, sure...it sucks if you dislike the Epic store front, but I would have expected Steam to defend their position a bit more aggressively...
don't belive steam cares, they know epic is strong arming thenselfs to push inside, but chances are they don't belive they can keep this up for long and eventually they will start to cut, plus if steam cared about any competition they wouldn't let the devs who promised to sell on his plataform leave.
but its like someone already said here and I said several times before, epic is not giving the players any advantage to choose then, they are forcing you do so, but in the end of the day I tend to buy from steam because steam is cheaper, so in then end of the day steam is the player friendly one, and fromt he way things are going it will be steam who is players friendly when epic is dev friendly, and any smart person will choose what gives you the most benefit, the rushers, who like day 1 games full of bugs and half content are not the smart person category so.
Both games I've bought from the Epic store were complete games with no discernable/small bugs (so far). Both have been bought within a month of release.
You gotta wait for the majority of games on Steam to bake well beyond the release date because, well, Steam doesn't give a shit about even a minimum standard of quality. It's actually quite refreshing to launch a digital storefront and not be bombarded with ads for bullshit, half-baked EA titles.
That makes no sense. If the argument is "the store has no relation to the game's state at launch" so you can't use the same argument to defend epic and bash steam.
What's your deal in defending epic store?
Epic store is a good thing. What's your problem with Steam having some competition? Is it too much of a burden to have to game launchers on your computer?
yes it is, even more if I don't want to, plus I already told you, only reason I buy from steam is price, I wait for a year at least before buying a game and wait for some promo with 50% cut on price, if not the same game same price and all I buy it from gog, DRM free is so much better
If that is the case, then 2K selling through Epic doesnt affect you in any way.
I'm pretty well the same, only picking up bargains on steam during the sales. When I do buy a new release, I always get it retail if possible as Gamestop/insert your fav game shop, have for the past 3 years of so been around $10 cheaper than steam. Why people use steam for new releases is baffling to say the least.
Whelp they don't want my money at least for now. I'll simply pirate it until it comes to steam then buy it at a deep discount during a steam sale. I won't support any game that goes to the epic store with their lack of security, their own in house spyware, lack of reviews and a multitude of other things. Developers that use epic are dead to me. If EGS completely takes over from steam, then I guess I'm done playing PC games that I don't already own or can buy directly from the developer. Either that or I'm going to become a world class pirate.
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Expecting developers to NOT take an exclusivity deal from EPIC when they are paying more than Steam is utterly ridiculous.
I don't care what platform the game is sold on, if it is good I'll buy it. People complain about the most trivial things these days.
support? serious you are a fool, who complain about people who really support thenselfs by knowing very well how much valuable is his money and time, you are a addicted little kid (dont matter your real age), who just want his next hit don't matter how much it will cost,
kenshi I bought before the game was even ready because they showed they was working on something worth while, even before the game was complete you could play the game very well, tahtis the kind of support I give, want me to buy from you? make it worth my time, if not don't cry I don't support you, I don't support crap, and most games today are crap
in the end of the day, people like you is the reason games are not as good as they was before
support.... funny little guy
Trivial indeed...
yeah I get that too from a old account I don't use anymore, I notice someone from thayland made a account for it, so what I did? I changed teh pass of that account to another e-mail and changed the password, I could even check what did happen with that account now, but serious I don't even bother I possible fucked someone else game or not since he would be possible be banned from hacking in fortnite
Well, the chest, game (in a steelbook) and season pass to start. Then 10 figurines, 4 keychains, cloth map of the galaxy, snap model, 5 art lithos, weapon skins and "bonus content". Guess I'm gonna have to learn twin-stick shooting, because the chest is apparently only for ps4 and xbone. Nvm, the PC listing for it is up now.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Steam is getting Fallout 76
My deal is defending an attempt to provide competition in the storefront space. I know, I know: "Exclusives that cost me nothing, GRRRRR!"
Tell me again: what direction is PC storage space heading in terms of cost, and what direction are real estate prices (generally) heading? Now, compare the price in general for real estate to disk space. Oh wait, that blows up the entire analogy.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Louder for the ones in the back please. EDIT: Also to add that yet again another series of games that has been split between launchers, Metro, Deadspace, Mass Effect now borderlands. Whatever guess I will wait for it to hit steam store if I even buy it at all, now. Making it avaible on all launchers would give these guys more money for the people that want to use X over Y. However the fact is that Epic store front sucks and the only reason they have as many people as they do is because of Fortnite and they keep cutting people exclusive deals. If the game was released on Steam and Epic, the many would out weigh the few.
Seems like the developers would be better off selling the game on both as opposed to Epic only at launch.
If it was a PC only game I really wanted and it was only available on Epics store I would buy it. As it is a game like BL3 will look and play just as well on my Xbox as on my PC.
Apparently, it still tastes good half baked, must be like a brownie
Addicted little kid(no matter the age)? ... Lol no I am a well adjusted adult with a good job that can afford to buy what I want, and I don't care where I have to buy it. Is this thing only sold at Best Buy? Ok well going there if I want it. I don't cry about pointless stupid shit. And personally there are a ton of "great games" I don't buy due to them not appealing to me, not because they are sold on a tiny app on the internet I don't want to download because I am a giant manbaby thats ok with a monopoly with no quality control. I have no unnecessary attachment to Valve or steam. I cannot understand why you guys are so dependent on them for a sense of self worth.
Grats you bought an early access game on steam... another aspect of gaming that many people have a problem with because Valve does no quality control with what half made cash grabs come to their platform.
You say you want better account security but Epic admitted their launch reads files in your Steam directory. To me, that's spyware and a big violation of trust. Why should I believe anything they say after that? Steam is not my friend and neither is Epic. If Epic is trying to get my business by having exclusives, they're just telling me their store has nothing else to offer. And since Epic is also a business their return policy was legally forced on them too.
Yes, Steam has a lot of room for improvement. So does Epic. Thing is Steam earned its chance with me. Epic has not and doesn't seem to want to. It wants to demand I install it in order to get certain games and that's one game I won't play.
If that is the case, then 2K selling through Epic doesnt affect you in any way.
I'm pretty well the same, only picking up bargains on steam during the sales. When I do buy a new release, I always get it retail if possible as Gamestop/insert your fav game shop, have for the past 3 years of so been around $10 cheaper than steam. Why people use steam for new releases is baffling to say the least.