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Heres a good example of the DDO "community"
CoHsucks
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http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33341
A perfectly reasonable post as to why this person is leaving. He says he tried to post it in the cancellation form, but it timed out. He responds calmly and with maturity, but the fambois swarm relentlessly.
Haha! Their "logic" is that they are sick of seeing so many good bye post with the same complaints
Gee, do you think that if their are so many goodbye posts with the same complaints repeated over and over by different people from different backrounds, gaming experiences and styles, that their could be a problem? Nah, that would make the fambois heads explode.
The DDO boards are like watching a car crash in slow motion, all the while the fanbois are in the driver's seat, covering their eyes and singing lalala! While telling those who are bailing from the backseat to "STFU" and "dont let the door hit you", because they are sick of hearing their passengers terrified screams
A perfectly reasonable post as to why this person is leaving. He says he tried to post it in the cancellation form, but it timed out. He responds calmly and with maturity, but the fambois swarm relentlessly.
Haha! Their "logic" is that they are sick of seeing so many good bye post with the same complaints
Gee, do you think that if their are so many goodbye posts with the same complaints repeated over and over by different people from different backrounds, gaming experiences and styles, that their could be a problem? Nah, that would make the fambois heads explode.
The DDO boards are like watching a car crash in slow motion, all the while the fanbois are in the driver's seat, covering their eyes and singing lalala! While telling those who are bailing from the backseat to "STFU" and "dont let the door hit you", because they are sick of hearing their passengers terrified screams
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It's one thing to attack a troll who's just trying to get a rise out of the community, but this guy was obviously a player who wanted to like the game and offered his criticisms in a calm, dignified manner. If so many people are saying the same thing, there has to be something there. 50,000,000 Elvis fans can't be wrong.
If the truth be known, they probably know the guy is right (and may even agree), but they just can't bring themselves to face the truth that there is something definitely wrong with this game, and all the denial and flamebaiting and griping at those who speak their mind isn't going to change that.
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Old timer.
Um
I've seen this same reaction in the forums of pretty much every MMO I've ever played, hell I've seen it on forums for muds as well. Matter of fact most of that thread is tame compared to some of the stuff I've seen.
Looks to me like, for the most part, it's a pretty mature community.
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No, it isn't a lie. If I had a nickel for every time I saw someone post a goodbye and they got a "can I have ur stuff" or a "don't let the door" reply I'd be a millionaire. You obviously haven't been playing MMO's very long. It goes all the way back to freaking Dasher's Lounge on AOL. Even back then when it was $6/hr to play an online game we had jacktards that would say stuff like that.
And the funny thing is you are calling me a liar for stating truthfully that I don't see anything worse in that forum than I've seen in any other MMO's forum in the history of MMO's, which to me is a lot more immature than the replies the person got on the thread linked above. And, yes, it is also a fact that I've seen far far worse in other MMO communities.
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Yeah, any game/community is going to have its share of people who gripe and complain about everything, and there are also those that enjoy what is there.
Most players I know play DDO for the community they have found in guilds or whatnot. I really doubt anyone is "Perfectly" satisfied with the game, since it has many bugs and admittedly does need more content, but those of us that play find it to be fun.
What I find interesting is the labelling of someone a "Fanboi" the second they say they enjoy a game contrary to others opinions. What do you expect from people that like the game in discussion?
I have some (not much) but some faith in turbine that they will continue adding content, which will obviously be needed to retain players. The problem I see is they didn't count on people levelling so quickly, and now are in a mad dash to slow people down and add more things in, such as the dragon.
It really comes down to:
If you like the game, play.
If you do not like the game, don't play, but don't bring others down that enjoy it.
~Jypsy, Grand Phoob of the universe.
And please stop mentioninf your stupid past about how you start playing MMORPG way back at a time no one cares about. It doesn't matter if you play all those game as it doesn't matter insightful then the rest of us, but more egotistic.
MMORPG companies don't run on smiles and happiness. As was said many times in the thread "we see this type of post so many times a day and we are sick of it". As was pointed out, thats a big problem indicator. If they see maybe 10 posts in 24 hours of different people who are quitting the game, there is at least i one other person quitting who won't say anything. At 20 people a day theyd be losing about 600 people a month, or 7,200 a year, the game is already hurting for more people. Thats saying that half the people who quit make posts.
The reason why those people are fanbois, is simply because of how offensive they are to someone saying FACTS about the game and why he is quitting. If i were to go "I'm quitting DDO because the dragon follows me around after i gave it a doggy treat in the last battle" Then bash him for being a idiot. Or if someone spouts of complete nonsense such as "Nobody ever wants to group because they are too busy soloing. So im gonna quit" Then bash him.
The people in that thread share a sentiment of either "i agree and its why im quitting" or "shut up and leave." "who cares" "i dont care" "can i have your stuff". Basically nobody who likes ddo has ever posted a counter point to any of the posts, because they are facts. Basically it comes to "i have fun in the game and thats enough for me."
If someone says "theres no solo content, and there should be some." people jump on him and go "then go play a single player game!". Thats why they are fanboys.
Alot of people know their arguements are not valid, and thats why they reiterate the same points despite being countered. Or instead of offering a arguement spout off hostility.
DDO has promise, but it has far too much stuff to add to keep a decent amount of players.
I know, lets start a hater thread on a different site so we can act exactly like the fanbois do, but we'll be different cause we're against the game! OMG h8 ddo!!
/sarcasm off
Seriously, do you not see the irony in starting a post like this to try and point out how immature other people are?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
He was not attacking their opinions of the game, but how they reacted to someones fact driven opinion on it.
What I meant by 'acting like the fanbois' is basically that to me, the OP is reacting the exact same way to their opinions as they reacted to someone elses. Not only that but he's bringing it here clearly in an attempt to deface DDO.
(I'm guessing) He has such a hate on for DDO that he's trying to pan off an overzealous group of players as the entire game community. What really makes his reaction different from those in the thread or whatever it is he linked (I didn't click it)?
They are propagating (sp?) nonsense from structured thought, while he is propagating nonsense from nonsense.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
There's no real need to pile hate on the DDO community, as they're pretty good at hating themselves. You'll find:
And the list goes on and on. One well-known Turbine apologist posted on the official forums asking if he was a "Fanboy or Troll", not even realizing that has was actually both. When it was pointed out to him that a fanboy is, in fact, a specific type of troll, he quit replying and the post sunk.
Every gaming community has players like this. The phenomenon is not new. However, there seems to be a disproportionately high percentage of this type of player in the DDO community. Given the already small community DDO has, the high percentage of this type of player in the game compared to other games makes it more noticible and therefore more of a problem.
Yes, if you put a "This game SuXx0rz" post out there you will get flamed, and rightly so. But the playerbase of this game seethes with hate and elitism both on the forums and in-game.
And please stop mentioninf your stupid past about how you start playing MMORPG way back at a time no one cares about. It doesn't matter if you play all those game as it doesn't matter insightful then the rest of us, but more egotistic.
I will merely point to your post and state that you appear to be one of those immature folks you're talking about.
Have I called you a liar? Have I stated that the community as a whole is tame? No, I said that the posts in the thread you linked were about the same as I've seen in any other MMORPG. I never said it was a "better" or a "worse" community than others out there. I stated that the posts themselves were tame compared to "some" of the posts I've seen.
And back when it was in beta I did read the forums there regularly. I dont play it because it's not worth the fees so I don't bother with it's message boards any longer. But when I did read them I didn't see a community any more or less mature than any other community out there.
As to how long I have been playing I merely mentioned it to point out how long I've been seeing posts of this type in the MMORPG style audience. It's nothing new. Hell... go to any Newsgroup on the internet and you'll find the same flame wars and trolls. They're everywhere. There are, naturally, more of them now than in the 80's and 90's but there are more people on the 'net now as well. If you're automatically assuming that I stated how long I've been in the online game industry to somehow put you down you are mistaken. I was merely stating that I've seen those exact same types of replies to "I'm leaving" threads for as long as I can remember and gave a perspective on just how long ago that is. This is nothing new.
I will say this: You are the one on this thread making immature and hateful remarks. Others have pointed it out as well. You might want to think about it and consider what we've said because, as bad as the replies on that thread are, your replies to people posting in reply to you are, in general, worse than the replies I read in that thread.
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Thank you for proving my point
I wasn't complaining, merely pointing out the facts there my friend. Long long ago I stopped caring too much about trolls
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Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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Still in: A couple Betas
I think the point is, at least for me... The supporters of DDO have claimed that it is made up of "mature" individuals. It is not like, as the supporters claim, the WoW players. Etc . . . But as people have pointed out they are just like every other MMO out there... No better or worse than any other game player base. The posts seem to confirm that they, theDDO fanbase, are not the "mature" group they claim to be.
In the end I left without a goodbye as well. From what I saw - there were maybe a couple hundred on during primetime on any given night. I guess the community got what they wanted - people left.
Mainly it was because of the game, I just didn't find it to my liking. It sucks actually in my opinion. Another reason was the community. As others have said it is very elitist, unlike any other MMO communitiy I have encounterd. If you weren't well versed in 3.5 Rules and dared to disagree with how Turbine implemented them, well, crucifiction wasnt' good enough for you.
I've seen rabid fanboi's in my life, and I can be one of those concerning EQ, so I know, but man alive..the sheer nastiness of some of those folk.
Agree completely.
Bottom line: Anyone who claims their community is "more mature" or "smarter" or "better" than other games is 1) biassed and 2) immature themselves. Because a mature person would never stoop to insulting another community. Because they would know that all communities, once all is said and done, in an online game are pretty much the same. After all, the community is fairly small and very migratory.
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Agree completely.
Bottom line: Anyone who claims their community is "more mature" or "smarter" or "better" than other games is 1) biassed and 2) immature themselves. Because a mature person would never stoop to insulting another community. Because they would know that all communities, once all is said and done, in an online game are pretty much the same. After all, the community is fairly small and very migratory.
Well I remember when I used to play WOW, I could not go 5 mins without some idiot making his presence known. Now i've been playing DDO since release and I have not encountered a single idiot yet, and I play a few hours every night, maybe I've just gotten lucky, but then again I have never seen any crap in general chat.
Maybe the forums have some idiots, maybe those idiots are WOW fanbois trying to give this game a bad rep, or maybe they are plants from other games trying to give this game a bad rep (if you think that doesnt happen then I feel sorry for you). Certainly there are some idiots that play DDO, but in my experience it's almost nill.
Heck, last week I was playing my ranger, he was duel weilding and using a masterwork bow. I joined a group of stranger to do some quests and 1 of the guys asked me what weapons I was using, cuz he saw my bow and my weapons. He then gave me a nice +1 Frost sickle (which allowed me to dual wield with my longsword without a penalty) and also gave me a +1 Frost Composite Longbow, he gave them to a complete stranger out of the goodness of his heart. This was not the first time this sort of thing has happened to me in DDO, but in WOW you have to always watch your back for the idiot trying to scam you or ninja loot or whatever.