The zerg runs are crazy... knock things down, run to the next, screw healer recycle time. If you're new to a mission and get lost they just leave you behind.
After a few of these, I just started soloing... then left out of boredom.
Unfortunatesly DDO has limited content. New players should avoid those groups at all costs. The game is fun but not fun if you want to learn and are in a group that is out to get it done fast.
Its not being elitist to play the game at my own pace.
I think you display an elitist attitude by expecting me to slow down, hold your hand, and make sure you don't get lost.
Most of these groups are clearly marked as zerg, BYoH or something to that effect. You are expected to conform to group standards. The group should not conform to your playstyle. Especially, if you're not the leader, who, btw, sets the pace.
I was once a newbie, too, and had to learn by grouping with other newbs or vets who enjoyed playing at a slow pace, or, god forbid, I had to keep up with the group and not lag behind.
So here I come thinking I can pretty much make anything I want as long as it performs decent, boy was I wrong everyone goes for the max build, and if they find out you do not have the cookie cutter builds its /boot for you! They claim to hate wow and accuse others of being a wow fanboy yada yada yada, oh the irony wow the irony simply is amazing. These people are just as bad with cookie cutter builds as they are in wow.
There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.
Thats just pathetic, anyways rant off, and this is only towards well so far allot of the population in ddo, of course not everyone there is that way met a few nice ones.
lol 'being horrible' does not mean 'im unique' I tjust means your horrible.
Don't blame THEM if u get booted cuz your rog has 200 hp at lv 20.
I do not use cookie cutter builds but I have not yet been booted/denied cuz 'i use a staff and a staff is the lowest dps weapon'
You CAN make very unique builds, but if you SUCK, its not because u 'don't have a cookie cutter build' tis cuz you SUCK!
Im sorry if this shrinks your epeen, but ddo (while it has its failings, and LOTS of those) has so many options while making that you CAN stand out and be diffrent than the others AND do a great job. Just look at the bards who tank lailat in edq. The rogs who wade though elite amrath quests and lead the kill counts. The clerics who solo ToD/VoD. ETC.
None of the 'top' players are running 'cookie cutter' builds. Its the people that follow THEM and try to emulate THEM that come up with the 'thats the xxxxx build'
Then people like you who come along much later who say 'oh that xxxx build is cookie cutter'
Ofc you will find people like that in all games. But the amount of people like that is far lower in DDO, than in wow. I don't think anyone can dispute that, but assholes are everywhere unfortunately.
To avoid stupid speedruns just do instances with guildies. I hate inpatiencec players, plague to every MMO there is.
When you have played the game for years there is no reason not to do speed runs. Going slow for no reason is not fun.
That said if you like going slow or are new to a quest I suggest finding like minded people to avoid having your experience and fun ruined by those who do not want to go slow.
The game has little to do with the community... the modern MMO culture is pretty ugly right through the genre.
Older games, ttose that arnt the shiny new thing and don't attract to fickle hype victims, tend to be better, but even thats no guarantee.
I tried EQ2 again recently, for which the Guk server has a generally awesome community, but saw by being convinced to try the Atonia bayle server that this game can have a community thats every bit as bad as WoW's as well. It was awful, just full of dicks.
The point I am making is that it's not DDOsor WoW's communities that suck, it's the general online gaming culture that's crap. Your lucky to find an oasis of decency now and again is all.
The game has little to do with the community... the modern MMO culture is pretty ugly right through the genre.
Older games, ttose that arnt the shiny new thing and don't attract to fickle hype victims, tend to be better, but even thats no guarantee.
I tried EQ2 again recently, for which the Guk server has a generally awesome community, but saw by being convinced to try the Atonia bayle server that this game can have a community thats every bit as bad as WoW's as well. It was awful, just full of dicks.
The point I am making is that it's not DDOsor WoW's communities that suck, it's the general online gaming culture that's crap. Your lucky to find an oasis of decency now and again is all.
Free to play and free trials tend to bring in the worst of society. There is nothing worse than general chat in a game anyone can download and play. The amount of people who seem to make a hobby of racism and stupidity is amazing there.
WoW is not free to play, and the community in DDO and WoW is not as bad as early EQ. I have posted proof of people training entire zones to kill everyone because they were "bored" in EQ. It is just a "cool" thing on this site to bash WoW; and it is pathetic.
You are the one with problems in DDO if you can't find a good guild to join. There are plenty and far more than there were in EQ thats for sure.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
To avoid stupid speedruns just do instances with guildies. I hate inpatiencec players, plague to every MMO there is.
When you have played the game for years there is no reason not to do speed runs. Going slow for no reason is not fun.
That said if you like going slow or are new to a quest I suggest finding like minded people to avoid having your experience and fun ruined by those who do not want to go slow.
Well thats 100% correct. I would rather skip the mobs and rush for the boss if theres noone in need of anything.
But even noob players like to noobrush thru every instance. Theres some problems showing up because of that. (Not newb player friendly.)
1. Healers not being able to heal well or drinking in some MMOs. She/he gets the blame for being a noob and gets kicked. THEY wont even allow players to rest at rest shrines sometimes lol. = New players wont learn as quickly and always get the blame.
2. Bosses getting skipped as always. Not a big problem in WoW, but in other games missing the chest piss any guy who isnt uberrich off.
If im going to pug an instance where i want to have the best rewards, i either create my own group so i can kick the ones i dont like or just guild run. In DDO, i just bring people wanting to do the optional quest, cause the mindless WoW rerollers just rushes thru the instance and get the gear destroyed, QQ and quit, which 'nt that negative for me anyways.
Not that hard, but i do see players qqing alot ingame cause they wont bother to create their own group (?).
Rushing and skipping boss werent common for me before, but nowadays, Blizzard decided to make CC near useless for instances and make the bosses so easily with no good rewards due to heirlooms, that this is getting really common.
The only problem i get is when noone wants to do the instance with me and a WoW player says "Come, we got a group, lets do this instance and skip every mob!", which thanks god doesnt happen often in DDO.
I dont know how many times ive been using Lay on Hands on my paladin early in dungeons thanks to the impatience rerollers, but im saying it again: Its not hard to join a leveling guild or something and skip the problems you get with WoW rerollers:)
What i want to say is that highest level rushing is OK cause everyone got good gear or a good guild anyway, but lately there have been way too many noob players just running into beholders and QQ because they didnt get any heal from getting one shoted.
Its not that hard doing optional bosses, one shoting them and take the chest or resting in shrines, but nah, 20 seconds is waay to much for the new players.
I forgot to add: Really, new players that have been facerolling WoW instances alot: Its OK to skip bosses, chests etc, but please, dont leave everytime you fail.
I promise you guys one thing, you will hate bosses that requires tactics. "Wait a sec impatience rusher, this boss needs tacts!" "LOL NOOB I DONT CARE RAAAAARGH!" *Gets one shoted by some boss mechanic* "WHY DIDNT YOU HEAL ILL LEAVE NOOB QQ!" /leave.
As i said, i do accept high level instance running just to get the last rewards, but new players that wants to best rewards which must be an minority nowadays have to get a leveling guild asap.
I hate zurgers. I try to play with Guildies or static group of friends. Open every chest, get every secret door and trap and kill the boss with no blue stones. If i find myself with a group of speed zurgers i usualy just stand back and watch them all die. Recall out and leave the party, go get my ftr/rogue and solo it with a heal bot.
Zurgers are impatient fools who would die in the first 5 minutes of a real war. Ive never seen a special opps raid zurged in real life. it dosnt work.
D&D is was and always has been a thinking mans game. DDO is no different.
BTW i love to pull them one at a time and kill them quickly and cleanly.
Im wondering also how they expect to be healed if they are out of range of the healers.
Zurgers leave me alone and i wont complain about you.
I hate zurgers. I try to play with Guildies or static group of friends. Open every chest, get every secret door and trap and kill the boss with no blue stones. If i find myself with a group of speed zurgers i usualy just stand back and watch them all die. Recall out and leave the party, go get my ftr/rogue and solo it with a heal bot.
Zurgers are impatient fools who would die in the first 5 minutes of a real war. Ive never seen a special opps raid zurged in real life. it dosnt work.
D&D is was and always has been a thinking mans game. DDO is no different.
BTW i love to pull them one at a time and kill them quickly and cleanly.
Im wondering also how they expect to be healed if they are out of range of the healers.
Zurgers leave me alone and i wont complain about you.
Finlingist
Hunters of Wayfinder
Good zergers do not need a dedicated healer.
DDO USED to be a thinking mans game. Turbine started taking out the thinking a couple of years ago when they went free to play. The game has gotten easier in nearly every update since then.
There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.
It's not about DDO, or WoW, or whatever now. You can't talk about where we are in terms of particular games.
The whole MMORPG culture is the problem now. There are exceptions, sure, but they don't make the rule. Online culture is just about as nasty as people can be to each other, so you just have to expect it or leave it. You cannot reprogram these folks at this point.
And people seriously wonder why so many people would rather solo these days?
I'm a die hard fan of grouping and yet I really have to agree with you. I used to solo to build my character up for grouping where I could have _real_ fun. Weird thing now is I find I'd prefer to just solo rather than deal with the associated crap.
Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security. I don't Forum PVP. If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident. When I don't understand, I ask. Such is not intended as criticism.
There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.
It's not about DDO, or WoW, or whatever now. You can't talk about where we are in terms of particular games.
The whole MMORPG culture is the problem now. There are exceptions, sure, but they don't make the rule. Online culture is just about as nasty as people can be to each other, so you just have to expect it or leave it. You cannot reprogram these folks at this point.
There used to be a chivalry among gamers. Then when things went mainstream that kind of got lost in the noise.
I still find a few of them hanging about. I think most tend to end up in non-mainstream games to get away from the modern crowds. Sort of like "video killed the radio star"... times change.
Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security. I don't Forum PVP. If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident. When I don't understand, I ask. Such is not intended as criticism.
There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.
It's not about DDO, or WoW, or whatever now. You can't talk about where we are in terms of particular games.
The whole MMORPG culture is the problem now. There are exceptions, sure, but they don't make the rule. Online culture is just about as nasty as people can be to each other, so you just have to expect it or leave it. You cannot reprogram these folks at this point.
There used to be a chivalry among gamers. Then when things went mainstream that kind of got lost in the noise.
I still find a few of them hanging about. I think most tend to end up in non-mainstream games to get away from the modern crowds. Sort of like "video killed the radio star"... times change.
DDO was that way BEFORE the F2P change. Unfortunately when anyone can make an account and get the game without paying a penny you tend to attract the lowest forms of life along with the good.
The DDO community is # 2 as far as lousy communities go.
The vets are the major problem. It was happening well before F2P.
Actually most of them were fake Vets. As anyone who has played DDO knows the number of Vets from before F2P are not that many, that is the reason they went F2P.
DDO has the by far, except for AO, best community comparing to any other games.
The elitist attitude can be found in any game. People in DDO are generally nice.
about the "google it" part........
You are the one to be blamed if you fire a question that has been asked 239023494757 times, which at the same time can be found on wiki. If you have already read and still dun understand, I believe there are lots of vets willing to advice to specific question (rather than general questions which can be answered with a wiki web address.)
about the zerging part......
Start your own group and state "no zerger". Easiest solution. On what base on earth do you have the right to force others to hold your hand and wait for you every other minute? Especially when everyone else in the group has done the same quest 9034839048 times?
Everyone has been new. I had been new.... Sometimes i got kicked cuz i am not all leet and such but I have never been booted cuz I was new but cuz I was not up to standard. It's fair.
If you dun do your job at work, do you expect your boss to keep paying you and wait till you "improve" when the position is stated as "senior"? Find yourself a trainee position. or stop crying cuz u got fired for not satisfying the job requirement.
The majorty of people on my server are friendly and just like to have fun. Sometimes these folks just want to run through something quickly because they have done it before a millon times, i understand this. Personally zerging sucks and zergers are no fun to play with (if I wanted to play race cars I would just play GT). If you place adds up looking for the right people, you usaully can find them aka " VON 1-4 for flagging, team play, no zergs" for example. I play on Sarlona (RP server with more like minded folks)
Although it is online game, but I think it is all depends on the one of his real life. The difference in between is psychological side and real life side. Some people playing the online game to compensate his real life, some people playing the online game because real life lisure time.
Those who compensate the game into a real life usually getting too serious because he would failed both real life and virtual life. They all have strong pose against the different people and that might the reason makes him failed in real life.
I joined a group a couple days ago, the group maker talked a lot and commanding a lot for a very easy quest. No one died but only himself died so many times, he makes himself like a tank in other online game who can take agro and holding agro, if he failed to keep agro, it would be someone else fault, especially the ranger.
So he kicked me out of the group in the next quest.
Later, I joined a group doing devil battlefield quest, he just happened in the group, and he quit in the middle of way, after we refill the group, no one remember how to do the Gensis Point, but everyone of us have had very good time and we completed the quest.
The zerg runs are crazy... knock things down, run to the next, screw healer recycle time. If you're new to a mission and get lost they just leave you behind.
After a few of these, I just started soloing... then left out of boredom.
Same, same. Except I haven't left yet, though I am. Just finishing a few things up.
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Unfortunatesly DDO has limited content. New players should avoid those groups at all costs. The game is fun but not fun if you want to learn and are in a group that is out to get it done fast.
Its not being elitist to play the game at my own pace.
I think you display an elitist attitude by expecting me to slow down, hold your hand, and make sure you don't get lost.
Most of these groups are clearly marked as zerg, BYoH or something to that effect. You are expected to conform to group standards. The group should not conform to your playstyle. Especially, if you're not the leader, who, btw, sets the pace.
I was once a newbie, too, and had to learn by grouping with other newbs or vets who enjoyed playing at a slow pace, or, god forbid, I had to keep up with the group and not lag behind.
Can't log in to Khyber, server full.
Actually I'm quite proud of the game I'm playing right now, I'm not bothered if I can't get in atm as it means the game is doing well.
Nurse get my medicine. I having one of those flash back epicodes from my healer days in WoW again.
Man Of Constant Sorrow
lol 'being horrible' does not mean 'im unique' I tjust means your horrible.
Don't blame THEM if u get booted cuz your rog has 200 hp at lv 20.
I do not use cookie cutter builds but I have not yet been booted/denied cuz 'i use a staff and a staff is the lowest dps weapon'
You CAN make very unique builds, but if you SUCK, its not because u 'don't have a cookie cutter build' tis cuz you SUCK!
Im sorry if this shrinks your epeen, but ddo (while it has its failings, and LOTS of those) has so many options while making that you CAN stand out and be diffrent than the others AND do a great job. Just look at the bards who tank lailat in edq. The rogs who wade though elite amrath quests and lead the kill counts. The clerics who solo ToD/VoD. ETC.
None of the 'top' players are running 'cookie cutter' builds. Its the people that follow THEM and try to emulate THEM that come up with the 'thats the xxxxx build'
Then people like you who come along much later who say 'oh that xxxx build is cookie cutter'
be original and don't fail, and u will be known.
Ofc you will find people like that in all games. But the amount of people like that is far lower in DDO, than in wow. I don't think anyone can dispute that, but assholes are everywhere unfortunately.
To avoid stupid speedruns just do instances with guildies. I hate inpatiencec players, plague to every MMO there is.
Yawn
When you have played the game for years there is no reason not to do speed runs. Going slow for no reason is not fun.
That said if you like going slow or are new to a quest I suggest finding like minded people to avoid having your experience and fun ruined by those who do not want to go slow.
The game has little to do with the community... the modern MMO culture is pretty ugly right through the genre.
Older games, ttose that arnt the shiny new thing and don't attract to fickle hype victims, tend to be better, but even thats no guarantee.
I tried EQ2 again recently, for which the Guk server has a generally awesome community, but saw by being convinced to try the Atonia bayle server that this game can have a community thats every bit as bad as WoW's as well. It was awful, just full of dicks.
The point I am making is that it's not DDOsor WoW's communities that suck, it's the general online gaming culture that's crap. Your lucky to find an oasis of decency now and again is all.
Free to play and free trials tend to bring in the worst of society. There is nothing worse than general chat in a game anyone can download and play. The amount of people who seem to make a hobby of racism and stupidity is amazing there.
WoW is not free to play, and the community in DDO and WoW is not as bad as early EQ. I have posted proof of people training entire zones to kill everyone because they were "bored" in EQ. It is just a "cool" thing on this site to bash WoW; and it is pathetic.
You are the one with problems in DDO if you can't find a good guild to join. There are plenty and far more than there were in EQ thats for sure.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Well thats 100% correct. I would rather skip the mobs and rush for the boss if theres noone in need of anything.
But even noob players like to noobrush thru every instance. Theres some problems showing up because of that. (Not newb player friendly.)
1. Healers not being able to heal well or drinking in some MMOs. She/he gets the blame for being a noob and gets kicked. THEY wont even allow players to rest at rest shrines sometimes lol. = New players wont learn as quickly and always get the blame.
2. Bosses getting skipped as always. Not a big problem in WoW, but in other games missing the chest piss any guy who isnt uberrich off.
If im going to pug an instance where i want to have the best rewards, i either create my own group so i can kick the ones i dont like or just guild run. In DDO, i just bring people wanting to do the optional quest, cause the mindless WoW rerollers just rushes thru the instance and get the gear destroyed, QQ and quit, which 'nt that negative for me anyways.
Not that hard, but i do see players qqing alot ingame cause they wont bother to create their own group (?).
Rushing and skipping boss werent common for me before, but nowadays, Blizzard decided to make CC near useless for instances and make the bosses so easily with no good rewards due to heirlooms, that this is getting really common.
The only problem i get is when noone wants to do the instance with me and a WoW player says "Come, we got a group, lets do this instance and skip every mob!", which thanks god doesnt happen often in DDO.
I dont know how many times ive been using Lay on Hands on my paladin early in dungeons thanks to the impatience rerollers, but im saying it again: Its not hard to join a leveling guild or something and skip the problems you get with WoW rerollers:)
What i want to say is that highest level rushing is OK cause everyone got good gear or a good guild anyway, but lately there have been way too many noob players just running into beholders and QQ because they didnt get any heal from getting one shoted.
Its not that hard doing optional bosses, one shoting them and take the chest or resting in shrines, but nah, 20 seconds is waay to much for the new players.
I forgot to add: Really, new players that have been facerolling WoW instances alot: Its OK to skip bosses, chests etc, but please, dont leave everytime you fail.
I promise you guys one thing, you will hate bosses that requires tactics. "Wait a sec impatience rusher, this boss needs tacts!" "LOL NOOB I DONT CARE RAAAAARGH!" *Gets one shoted by some boss mechanic* "WHY DIDNT YOU HEAL ILL LEAVE NOOB QQ!" /leave.
As i said, i do accept high level instance running just to get the last rewards, but new players that wants to best rewards which must be an minority nowadays have to get a leveling guild asap.
Yawn
I hate zurgers. I try to play with Guildies or static group of friends. Open every chest, get every secret door and trap and kill the boss with no blue stones. If i find myself with a group of speed zurgers i usualy just stand back and watch them all die. Recall out and leave the party, go get my ftr/rogue and solo it with a heal bot.
Zurgers are impatient fools who would die in the first 5 minutes of a real war. Ive never seen a special opps raid zurged in real life. it dosnt work.
D&D is was and always has been a thinking mans game. DDO is no different.
BTW i love to pull them one at a time and kill them quickly and cleanly.
Im wondering also how they expect to be healed if they are out of range of the healers.
Zurgers leave me alone and i wont complain about you.
Finlingist
Hunters of Wayfinder
Good zergers do not need a dedicated healer.
DDO USED to be a thinking mans game. Turbine started taking out the thinking a couple of years ago when they went free to play. The game has gotten easier in nearly every update since then.
It's not about DDO, or WoW, or whatever now. You can't talk about where we are in terms of particular games.
The whole MMORPG culture is the problem now. There are exceptions, sure, but they don't make the rule. Online culture is just about as nasty as people can be to each other, so you just have to expect it or leave it. You cannot reprogram these folks at this point.
I'm a die hard fan of grouping and yet I really have to agree with you. I used to solo to build my character up for grouping where I could have _real_ fun. Weird thing now is I find I'd prefer to just solo rather than deal with the associated crap.
So you want to do your quests nice and slow, doing every possible goal along the way, taking nice little screenshots as you go?
Make your own groups and specify that you want no rushers in the team, works for me every time.
There used to be a chivalry among gamers. Then when things went mainstream that kind of got lost in the noise.
I still find a few of them hanging about. I think most tend to end up in non-mainstream games to get away from the modern crowds. Sort of like "video killed the radio star"... times change.
DDO was that way BEFORE the F2P change. Unfortunately when anyone can make an account and get the game without paying a penny you tend to attract the lowest forms of life along with the good.
Ive said it plenty of times.
The DDO community is # 2 as far as lousy communities go.
The vets are the major problem. It was happening well before F2P.
Actually most of them were fake Vets. As anyone who has played DDO knows the number of Vets from before F2P are not that many, that is the reason they went F2P.
DDO has the by far, except for AO, best community comparing to any other games.
The elitist attitude can be found in any game. People in DDO are generally nice.
about the "google it" part........
You are the one to be blamed if you fire a question that has been asked 239023494757 times, which at the same time can be found on wiki. If you have already read and still dun understand, I believe there are lots of vets willing to advice to specific question (rather than general questions which can be answered with a wiki web address.)
about the zerging part......
Start your own group and state "no zerger". Easiest solution. On what base on earth do you have the right to force others to hold your hand and wait for you every other minute? Especially when everyone else in the group has done the same quest 9034839048 times?
Everyone has been new. I had been new.... Sometimes i got kicked cuz i am not all leet and such but I have never been booted cuz I was new but cuz I was not up to standard. It's fair.
If you dun do your job at work, do you expect your boss to keep paying you and wait till you "improve" when the position is stated as "senior"? Find yourself a trainee position. or stop crying cuz u got fired for not satisfying the job requirement.
The majorty of people on my server are friendly and just like to have fun. Sometimes these folks just want to run through something quickly because they have done it before a millon times, i understand this. Personally zerging sucks and zergers are no fun to play with (if I wanted to play race cars I would just play GT). If you place adds up looking for the right people, you usaully can find them aka " VON 1-4 for flagging, team play, no zergs" for example. I play on Sarlona (RP server with more like minded folks)
Although it is online game, but I think it is all depends on the one of his real life. The difference in between is psychological side and real life side. Some people playing the online game to compensate his real life, some people playing the online game because real life lisure time.
Those who compensate the game into a real life usually getting too serious because he would failed both real life and virtual life. They all have strong pose against the different people and that might the reason makes him failed in real life.
I joined a group a couple days ago, the group maker talked a lot and commanding a lot for a very easy quest. No one died but only himself died so many times, he makes himself like a tank in other online game who can take agro and holding agro, if he failed to keep agro, it would be someone else fault, especially the ranger.
So he kicked me out of the group in the next quest.
Later, I joined a group doing devil battlefield quest, he just happened in the group, and he quit in the middle of way, after we refill the group, no one remember how to do the Gensis Point, but everyone of us have had very good time and we completed the quest.
Same, same. Except I haven't left yet, though I am. Just finishing a few things up.