This isn’t about video games, nor the sale off guns. It’s fact that 11 countries including France , Canada and 9 more have more mass shootings the USA. We’re number 12 in the civilized nation around the world. This is about MENTAL ILLNESS and ignoring major red flags that the insane, racist and evil people post. This was said about HOLLYWOOD multiple times. The Movies are violence spreading and promoting violence. I loved Rambo and Comando when I was 12 my 2 top action movies, Evil dead and Nightmares on Elm st. I never once thought of doing evil after them. Unfortunately Evil People well do Evil things.
That's not to say USA would have most mass shootings, some unstable countries have even more of those. USA just has more than any of the western countries.
Part of it is what you define as a "mass shooting". Are gang related drive bys mass shootings? Or are they just gang violence. I think regardless the point is these are not as unique to the USA as we are lead to believe by the agenda driven misinformation media, and we rarely hear about events in other countries anyways because we focus on our own nations for the most part which makes sense
I used the same definition as that false research seemed to use: A shooting with at least 4 dead victims.
And of course they aren't unique to USA. I'm not suggesting you could ever prevent 100%. It's all about the number game and reducing incidents, not about eliminating them completely.
The interesting thing about these Walmarts in the locations that were threatened is that they sell firearms.....but I'm sure video games is the problem.
Maybe they think that the citizens nearby might actually want to purchase a LEGAL firearm to protect themselves?
Imagine if one deranged gunman starts shooting and 25 start shooting back. Who knows who’s the good guy? One could only imagine the carnage.
Well actually we do know the carnage and its less. In most every case the end of these shootings is not because of gunmans arm or finger got tired, nor is it that they ran out of bullets. Its because either the police or an armed citizen shot them dead or forced them to flee or surrender, and oddly enough there is almost never "collateral damage" from the armed citizen. Oddly enough it turns out the best way to stop these lunatics is to return fire...even as armed civilians.
Can you please link some of these mass shootings where an armed civilian saved the day. I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
Also in many of these mass shootings (the ones I've seen on the news) the shooter takes their own life.
Its not very common because as it turns out often the mass shootings occur in gun free zones which law abiding gun owners will respect, and it turns out for all the guns in the USA not alot of people conceal carry so in most cases there are not armed civilians involved at the scene. Again for as much noise as the media makes these are very isolated events, and as terrible as they are they account for a pittance of the murder in this country hence why I suggest its all politics the media is overwhelmingly left, the NRA funds the right so they love to cover these stories and attack the NRA.
This will sound crazy but I'm fairly certain according the FBI statistics more people are killed by hammers and other bludgeoning type weapons than assault rifles each year. yet the focus is always on assault rifles, hell I think most of the "mass shootings" are commited with handguns than assault rifles.
anyrate my point is that if people actually cared about saving lives we would get honest debate about this stuff and focus on the things that result in the most deaths and murders yet we don;t its all poltical driven agenda crap and most often it gets parroted by ill informed people who like to pretend they care but clearly don't they just push their political bias and in the end we have massive amount (literally dwarfs that of mass shootings) of people dying at the hands of drunk drivers, and drug overdoses with crickets from all these people who "care" so much about human life. When challenged they come up with nonsensical drivel to deflect like "innocent people who weren't free to choose how their life ended" and thats why its different, because gettiung rammed by a drunk driver and dying offered you more agency than a dying at the hands of a mass shooter? keep lying to yourself.
there is roughly 400million civilian owned guns in the US and using 21 shootings at least 4 victims rule as the number.... it puts the odds of any one gun being used in a mass killing at roughly 21/400000000 = 0.00000005% (and note that's all guns not just assault weapons)
No, using those numbers chance is 21 / 400 000 000 * 100% = 0.000005% per year. You forgot to multiply by 100% and have 2 extra zeroes in your number.
South Koreans are so serious about their gaming they die doing it....where are their mass shootings? It's not video games. I don't know what it is, but it's not that.
Because South Korea has super strict gun laws and has no "gun culture".
"South Korea has strict gun policies. Hunting and sporting licenses are issued, but any firearm used in these circumstances must be stored at a local police station. Air rifles also have to be stored at police stations; crossbows and electric shock devices are also classified as firearms but their private retention is permitted. Tasers are prohibited, and possessing a toy gun without an orange tip is strictly prohibited. Violation of firearms law can result in a US$18,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison.
The majority of South Korean men are well-trained in the use of firearms, due to mandatory military service. Despite this, gun culture is notably absent in South Korean society outside of the military, and gun ownership and deaths rank among the lowest in the world."
IMO - it's a combination of both - in US - we love our guns and there's a huge gun-culture present, also the guns are a lot easier to obtain than in South Korea
I normally don't like quoting posts just to say "this", but I could not resist this one.
For Sweden the total number of homicides per 100 000 inhabitants is 1.1, whereas USA scores 5.3. Even if Sweden has huge problems in small area of the country, total number of homicides is large enough that a single problem area doesn't affect it that much.
When it comes to Sweden i wouldn't exactly call 'Malmo' a small area, and its not the only part of the country with issues, as for Mass shootings, i think its fairly safe to assume that Sweden would score quite highly, if they were actually keeping records of them and not 'sweeping them under the carpet' so to speak.
Malmö has a bit over 3% of Sweden's inhabitants. Statistically that's small.
Also Sweden is ranked third in World Press Freedom Index (USA is 48th). When something happens there it's very hard for officials to sweep it under the carpet.
Yet they are constantly caught doing just that sweeping it under the rug. See the problem with all of this stuff you like to cite is like the new con of "fact checkers" which are just agenda driven orgs created by the same people who want push their lies. You also have to keep in mind sweden is a fairly homogeneous population, but we sure love using good old sweden to support those leftist arguments don't we.
I'll give you one of the best recent example of covert lying but not lying to push an agenda I have seen recently. If you watch the series "our planet" on netflix its clear they are pushing the global warming agenda but the lie comes in the source of the problems. If you watch the episode on the rain forests the narration is discussing "man made" global warming and then cuts to a scene where the narrator says "in the last xxx years over the forest has decreased in size by 40%" leaving you to assume omg 40% of the forest gone from global warming!!! But thats the lie its not climate change the caused 40% of the forest of die off....its over population of the area that resulted in the local people CUTTING DOWN 40% of the forest. It has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with overpopulation. Something the left refuses to identify as the real cause of environmental problems on earth. Its why you know climate change is a hoax if it were truly real the FIRST THING YOU WOULD DEMAND IS NO MORE PEOPLE immediate population controls around the globe! Yet they dont. They would also be scrambling to create shelters for the end of times, not creating TV shows and news reports on TV that results in another MASSIVE carbon footprint from all of the energy of all of the people viewing those shows on TV's /wink. They would demanding massive sanctions against india/china/africa who all have over 1 billion people and have immense coal plants low environmental protections and dump raw sewage and toxic waste directly into the environment....Yet they don't do they? They just want you to buy "green energy" and sip from a paper straw.
Ok one more OMG greenland the ice is melting!!!! Is the new "lie" this summer....oh ya guess what ya its summer in greenland and every summer the ice melts in greenland it turns out, and over the past 2 years the amount of ice in greenland has actually increased. but even if we assumed greenland ended up with summer all year round starting today it would take over 12000 years at this rate for half of the ice in greenland to melt away, Alas though winter will come and greenland will once again have a large addition of ice which you wont here about on the news, and then again next summer it will melt away like it always does. Fake news its the real deal the problem is without critical thinkinig skills and research it will sound legit because "group think" a real human trait. Which brings us back to gun violence and OMG mass shootings!!! Which are terrible but not near the bogey man the media makes them out to be.
PS doubt my points on climate change being a hoax? Ok fine check your local weather see how many new record highs and lows have occurred over the last 5 years. If we are warming up new records highs should be very common shouldnt they and infact you should find next to no record highs dating back further than the last decade shouldnt you? /wink. Our envirment is in serious trouble and pollution etc... massive problem due to over population yup, "climate change" not so sure...
The NRA has NEVER proposed ANYTHING. They just want unmitigated guns and bullets of every style everywhere. Their plebington card holders desperately need discounts and free trucker hats because of "ninjas" and incoming zombie apocalypse.
The NRA and "gun enthusiast" sheep are the problem. By all means blame EVERYTHING else though.
The NRA is a civilian association/advocacy group not a government agency they aren't required to propose anything.
the "problem" is cronyism and lobbying of the government in general. blame congresses blame senates blame presidents both past and present not the people. no body should be funding campaigns outside a government run elections department. This includes both political parties as well the RNC and DNC should not be funding campaigns. The rampant corruption in government is the issue here not the NRA.
The interesting thing about these Walmarts in the locations that were threatened is that they sell firearms.....but I'm sure video games is the problem.
Maybe they think that the citizens nearby might actually want to purchase a LEGAL firearm to protect themselves?
Imagine if one deranged gunman starts shooting and 25 start shooting back. Who knows who’s the good guy? One could only imagine the carnage.
Well actually we do know the carnage and its less. In most every case the end of these shootings is not because of gunmans arm or finger got tired, nor is it that they ran out of bullets. Its because either the police or an armed citizen shot them dead or forced them to flee or surrender, and oddly enough there is almost never "collateral damage" from the armed citizen. Oddly enough it turns out the best way to stop these lunatics is to return fire...even as armed civilians.
Can you please link some of these mass shootings where an armed civilian saved the day. I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
Also in many of these mass shootings (the ones I've seen on the news) the shooter takes their own life.
Its not very common because as it turns out often the mass shootings occur in gun free zones which law abiding gun owners will respect, and it turns out for all the guns in the USA not alot of people conceal carry so in most cases there are not armed civilians involved at the scene. Again for as much noise as the media makes these are very isolated events, and as terrible as they are they account for a pittance of the murder in this country hence why I suggest its all politics the media is overwhelmingly left, the NRA funds the right so they love to cover these stories and attack the NRA.
This will sound crazy but I'm fairly certain according the FBI statistics more people are killed by hammers and other bludgeoning type weapons than assault rifles each year. yet the focus is always on assault rifles, hell I think most of the "mass shootings" are commited with handguns than assault rifles.
anyrate my point is that if people actually cared about saving lives we would get honest debate about this stuff and focus on the things that result in the most deaths and murders yet we don;t its all poltical driven agenda crap and most often it gets parroted by ill informed people who like to pretend they care but clearly don't they just push their political bias and in the end we have massive amount (literally dwarfs that of mass shootings) of people dying at the hands of drunk drivers, and drug overdoses with crickets from all these people who "care" so much about human life. When challenged they come up with nonsensical drivel to deflect like "innocent people who weren't free to choose how their life ended" and thats why its different, because gettiung rammed by a drunk driver and dying offered you more agency than a dying at the hands of a mass shooter? keep lying to yourself.
I don't know about you guys, but drunk driving and drug overdoses sure aint crickets up here. Our problems with drugs as just as bad as yours. Governments up here have been quite active on those fronts and if one thing is clear from the last 40-50 years is that the war on drugs is an abysmal failure. More people doing drugs and more violence over them than ever, time to try a different approach imho.
All I know is that I wouldn't be worried walking down any street in any neighborhood at any time of the day or night in the metropolitan area of 2 1/2 million where I live. We have less murders in a year than some of your cities have in a day.
We grow up watching, listening and playing the same shit. We also have legal gun ownership but you have to take safety courses and pass a background check in order to obtain a firearms license. If you've been convicted of a violent crime, domestic violence etc. you will not be eligible for the license. You need a firearms license to legally own and use a firearm in our country. Is that the reason for the difference in the homicide rates?
again just gona put this out, the mass shoting who did happen on my country was with ilegal weapons, can you guys be so sure the guns used was licensed for then to use?
and you can do much more damage if you do a chemical bomb, or knife.
kinda make me remember now in china during a dynasty, the emperor banned everyone one from learning and using kung fu or any martial art, save for his royal guard. wonder how did that go.
Just some more irrelevant fuel to gaslight people, so they don't focus on the fact that a dude who was on the verge of incriminating a good portion of politicians, elites, and royal's in potentially the most entrenched pedophilia and sex trafficking ring we've ever heard of, just suicided himself before any of that could come out.
The NRA has NEVER proposed ANYTHING. They just want unmitigated guns and bullets of every style everywhere. Their plebington card holders desperately need discounts and free trucker hats because of "ninjas" and incoming zombie apocalypse.
The NRA and "gun enthusiast" sheep are the problem. By all means blame EVERYTHING else though.
The NRA is a civilian association/advocacy group not a government agency they aren't required to propose anything.
the "problem" is cronyism and lobbying of the government in general. blame congresses blame senates blame presidents both past and present not the people. no body should be funding campaigns outside a government run elections department. This includes both political parties as well the RNC and DNC should not be funding campaigns. The rampant corruption in government is the issue here not the NRA.
They're not "required" to propose anything, but they spend the majority of their money and resources jamming up anything common sense and participating in the corruption you properly outlined so yes THEY ARE THE ISSUE.
Politicians are for sale. NRA purchased, and has receipts. They openly pull leashes with their grading system. The NRA "members" love every second of it too. If anybody points that out, or discusses setting the things you mentioned straight it gets put in that cliche "libertard" box by the actually mentally regressed humanoids.
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If they were the cause why aren't these mass shootings everywhere also then?
They are not the cause. Just an easy target for an excuse.
Anyway, who cares about Walmart? Who buys physical copies of games now still?
There is actually a graph showing that every time new consoles come out, and there are other advances in gaming that violent crime goes down. The obvious answer is mandatory gaming.
kinda make me remember now in china during a dynasty, the emperor banned everyone one from learning and using kung fu or any martial art, save for his royal guard. wonder how did that go.
They get the ass whoped by western guns . That's Qing dynasty
I think the problem isn't how you control the gun , but how you control the bullets .
In
Japan they only give you few among of bullets , and in a year they
check it a few times . They check the number of bullets , each bullet
you used are recoved and they will asked you what did you shot .
That's why japanese mostly use kitchen knifes , then go banzai
Normally I would int wade into this argument as i always see this as a poor mans excuse to blame the computer games and yes I still do. I am for the first amendment in a big way. I do believe in it but I also believe in stronger background checks for those wishing to purchase a legal firearm. ie criminal and psychological.
My view on walmart selling them well coming from N.Ireland I wasent aware of this and was absolutely gobsmacked when I heard this. Selling firearms in a supermarket what the hell? They should only be sold in gun stores and pawnshops with the means to store them securly and be able to take the time to double check everything about the license the buyer has in a timely manner not like someone behind the counter of a wall mart. This is just mind boggling.
Now for next part of the gun debate issue. The automatic fire arms side of things. This I would agree with. I mean why the hell would you need a military grade weapon that can fire fully automatic 30 bullets a minute gun? A good old semi automatic does the same job. Guns like a fully auto are far do dangerous for the general public unless there either a paintball gun airsoft rifle or a laser tag gun. At least with these you'd survive being shot by one.
Now last part... this thing about the tournament and wall mart cancelling advertising... I would actually agree. Not because I blame games for these shootings but as a mark of respect and current feelings going round at the moment. Its do dam easy to blame games for these when theres not enough money going around for the checks ive mentioned to take place. Its more the blame of bureaucracy and money than games.
They did the same thing with Doom after columbine but it was later proved that the games were not the main cause of that shooting. When two teens killed a child in England they blamed movies like childs play and that was banned for a while but its back now. People just like to take an easyway out with the blame and not look closely at the main isues surrounding the events and where the main blame should lay
Stop selling shooting game , still selling guns . LMAO
They undoubtedly sell lots of Alcohol and Cigarettes too, of course there is no links between those things and ill health and violent behaviour.. oh wait.
Stop selling shooting game , still selling guns . LMAO
They undoubtedly sell lots of Alcohol and Cigarettes too, of course there is no links between those things and ill health and violent behaviour.. oh wait.
I am no gunaholical man, moderation is key so I only shoot 5 times a week, better for my health
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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i think the real problem is us, the butterfly effect is real, so if anyone in this world has EVER said anything that caused mental trauma to anyone else in their life, its your fault...these mass shooters didnt wake up - suit up - kill people, it was definately a build up, someone probably said some wrong shit to them on a day they really needed some right shit to be said to them, so go ahead blame everything under the sun other than yourself, but if you really want to know the true cause of all this, its vanity, greed, and pride, you all dont think twice about putting someone down for being nothing more than just a human being, then you point your fingers when they snap back, the shit part about it is these shooters are far superior than most of you intellectually, too many people cant see the world beyond the mirror -_-
i think the real problem is us, the butterfly effect is real, so if anyone in this world has EVER said anything that caused mental trauma to anyone else in their life, its your fault...these mass shooters didnt wake up - suit up - kill people, it was definately a build up, someone probably said some wrong shit to them on a day they really needed some right shit to be said to them, so go ahead blame everything under the sun other than yourself, but if you really want to know the true cause of all this, its vanity, greed, and pride, you all dont think twice about putting someone down for being nothing more than just a human being, then you point your fingers when they snap back, the shit part about it is these shooters are far superior than most of you intellectually, too many people cant see the world beyond the mirror -_-
Mostly, i would say they are gullible, and ideologically motivated, those that aren't off their heads away with the fairies certified nut jobs that is. Doesn't matter if the ideology is far left, far right, or religious, if you indoctrinate people hard enough then bad things happen, take yesterday (tuesday) in Australia, religious nut job goes postal with a knife in a crowd, mass stabbing incidents aren't a new thing, but i have to wonder how many people heard about it, and what they heard if they did.
i think the real problem is us, the butterfly effect is real, so if anyone in this world has EVER said anything that caused mental trauma to anyone else in their life, its your fault...these mass shooters didnt wake up - suit up - kill people, it was definately a build up, someone probably said some wrong shit to them on a day they really needed some right shit to be said to them, so go ahead blame everything under the sun other than yourself, but if you really want to know the true cause of all this, its vanity, greed, and pride, you all dont think twice about putting someone down for being nothing more than just a human being, then you point your fingers when they snap back, the shit part about it is these shooters are far superior than most of you intellectually, too many people cant see the world beyond the mirror -_-
Mostly, i would say they are gullible, and ideologically motivated, those that aren't off their heads away with the fairies certified nut jobs that is. Doesn't matter if the ideology is far left, far right, or religious, if you indoctrinate people hard enough then bad things happen, take yesterday (tuesday) in Australia, religious nut job goes postal with a knife in a crowd, mass stabbing incidents aren't a new thing, but i have to wonder how many people heard about it, and what they heard if they did.
If you were starving and people laughed, poked, taunted, and teased you with food, you would hate them, if someone talks, comforts, feeds you, you will love them. When your heart is is beaten to oblivion and you never get that uplift well thats a remorseless time bomb counting down, all im saying. It happens alot, it happens all over, its human nature just as much as taking a shit.
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And of course they aren't unique to USA. I'm not suggesting you could ever prevent 100%. It's all about the number game and reducing incidents, not about eliminating them completely.
the "problem" is cronyism and lobbying of the government in general. blame congresses blame senates blame presidents both past and present not the people. no body should be funding campaigns outside a government run elections department. This includes both political parties as well the RNC and DNC should not be funding campaigns. The rampant corruption in government is the issue here not the NRA.
All I know is that I wouldn't be worried walking down any street in any neighborhood at any time of the day or night in the metropolitan area of 2 1/2 million where I live. We have less murders in a year than some of your cities have in a day.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-driving-up-canadas-homicide-rate
That's our whole province and that's a bad year.
We grow up watching, listening and playing the same shit. We also have legal gun ownership but you have to take safety courses and pass a background check in order to obtain a firearms license. If you've been convicted of a violent crime, domestic violence etc. you will not be eligible for the license. You need a firearms license to legally own and use a firearm in our country. Is that the reason for the difference in the homicide rates?
Hell No
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Politicians are for sale. NRA purchased, and has receipts. They openly pull leashes with their grading system. The NRA "members" love every second of it too. If anybody points that out, or discusses setting the things you mentioned straight it gets put in that cliche "libertard" box by the actually mentally regressed humanoids.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is actually a graph showing that every time new consoles come out, and there are other advances in gaming that violent crime goes down. The obvious answer is mandatory gaming.
My view on walmart selling them well coming from N.Ireland I wasent aware of this and was absolutely gobsmacked when I heard this. Selling firearms in a supermarket what the hell? They should only be sold in gun stores and pawnshops with the means to store them securly and be able to take the time to double check everything about the license the buyer has in a timely manner not like someone behind the counter of a wall mart. This is just mind boggling.
Now for next part of the gun debate issue. The automatic fire arms side of things. This I would agree with. I mean why the hell would you need a military grade weapon that can fire fully automatic 30 bullets a minute gun? A good old semi automatic does the same job. Guns like a fully auto are far do dangerous for the general public unless there either a paintball gun airsoft rifle or a laser tag gun. At least with these you'd survive being shot by one.
Now last part... this thing about the tournament and wall mart cancelling advertising... I would actually agree. Not because I blame games for these shootings but as a mark of respect and current feelings going round at the moment. Its do dam easy to blame games for these when theres not enough money going around for the checks ive mentioned to take place. Its more the blame of bureaucracy and money than games.
They did the same thing with Doom after columbine but it was later proved that the games were not the main cause of that shooting. When two teens killed a child in England they blamed movies like childs play and that was banned for a while but its back now. People just like to take an easyway out with the blame and not look closely at the main isues surrounding the events and where the main blame should lay
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer