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Subscription only MMOs are pay to win and its good they mostly died out
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Math logic - Fail
Base economic principles - Fail
Manipulative tactics detection - non existent
Easily coerced into believing their operating under freewill - checkmate
I'm honestly stunned by the contents of this post.
Defining pay to win by being around a long time is silly because there was no pay to win except buying an account on ebay. Pay to win has always been pay for advantages, relief of unnatural grinds or whatever unholy shit developers use to entice you into cash shops. Don't pretend because you played EQ or whatever qualifies you as old school has any bearing on new school issue of cash shops and P2W.
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Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Just go watch Jay Leno's videos on how dumb people are,he asks a lot of simple questions to people on the street,not many have a clue.In one of his experiments he wanted to prove people have more knowledge of social media stuff than education stuff.He would show a picture of the president and person would be lost ,then shows a picture of a kardashian and they get it right away....sad.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
And now, Hopefully, I will also scrape away your ignorance.
P2W was in fact exactly that. That is why it had such a negative stigma.
It was very common in PvP games, often passed off as "Strategy War Games" where you could go to the cash shop and but whatever you needed to kick the holy shit out of anyone, and no amount of skill, grind, friends, alliances, guilds, or anything else they possessed in game could save their sorry asses.. the only way they were going to counter was by paying cold hard cash in the shop to get what they needed to either defend, or kick your ass in return.
Everyone's ass had a price tag on it, all a matter of how much you needed to spend to beat them, IE: Pay to Win.
This is what gave the term P2W teeth, why it elicited such outrage. I mean think about that, can you imagine playing a PvP game where all your skill, time and effort was meaningless to someone that was willing to spend some money? And you know, I wish I was joking about this, but I played these games first hand, and it was as bad as it sounded.
That is why people lost their shit when they heard that a game was P2W.
That is not to be confused with the candyass waterdown term that people use today to mean "It has a cash shop" or "I just don't want to spend money" or some other nonsense that it has become obscured into.. down to people calling Cosmetics, Expansions.. and now.. Subs.. P2W.
Even if you do not see things from my view.. at least appreciate the irony that this is to me.
Edit: I suppose one could earn gold and convert it to gems, as the OP did mention. However, this isn't a reasonable solution to access the content. ArenaNet did not design it's gem system for players to not spend money. It's designed for dollars, which isn't a bad thing. Studios gotta make money. It's naive to position GW2 as a game where you never have to pay anything.
For $15.00 everyone get EXACTLY the same thing.........30 days. What you do with that 30 days is up to you.....unless you get your way....then what I do with MY 30 days is also up to you. Why would I invest my time if it yields the same?
And surprise surprise.......getting the amount of gems in GW2 through playing requires huge investments in time....much more than what you would comparably get in FFXIV, where once you hit level cap, you can be raid level geared in about 2 weeks. And that's mostly just routine play.
Your "fix" for P2W would utterly destroy anything still out there, and you probably don't even realize it.
So.. again... the term was born in PvP Strategy Games (IE: Evony), not MMO's in fact the term never really had any place in MMO's (given how unbalanced they are anyway)... not even sure how it got there.. Oh right.. it got watered down to shit and people used it to mean anything they didn't want to spend money on..
Oh, would you look at where we are now..
If someone disagrees and thinks he's winning against people who aren't playing, then at least I personally think that the gap is so wide it's not worth trying to build a bridge over.
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