Maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you saying that when DSS ends. If I were a Mayor I could not buy the open land next to me on my alt character? ( with the account give aways everyone has multiple characters).
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Maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you saying that when DSS ends. If I were a Mayor I could not buy the open land next to me on my alt character? ( with the account give aways everyone has multiple characters).
To my knowledge the reverse auction is about selling titles not lands so if you are implying that you get an alt to buy parcels next to your settlement no. If you meant a nearby mayor title then yes, however you can only buy it if another player did not pick it during DSS.
Huh, from what Vye posted I would have thought they were auctioning parcels, not titles though the last sentence might be confirming it is being done by titles instead.
"Then, following the final week of Domain & Settlement Selection, we will be doing some planned maintenance on the maps and then preparing to sell off the remaining property in a Dutch-style auction. The prices will drop every day during that time, with savings up to 45% possible! There's even the possibility that a new king or queen will appear on the Selene server."
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Tidbit on near future plans from Snipehunter just now on Discord.
Notice the only firm deliverables involve fundraising, clearly where the priorities lie.
No mention about getting backers in game anytime soon.
"Externally it'll be the dutch auction, the Kickstater-versary, and then onward to the future. Internally, I desperately need to overhaul archery. We're happy with the core mechanics, but we've made a ton of little changes to the game interface that have made some of the clunkier parts of archery hard to endure, so we need to go in and refactor how certain things like the camera work to make it easier to use without making it OP at the same time."
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I joined the Stream by Bordweall a little before 9 (was supposed to start at 8). Holy cray Detherus is going insane. Cursing at Serpentius... saying his mistake was trusting Caspien.
I hope they put this up for viewing after the fact. If you are available you should hop in.
Best quote I heard so far " I think we've been giving them the benefit of the doubt for 3 fucking years. It's about time to hold them accountable" From one of their King donors
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Just watched 90% of his stream, skipped the first 10% cause of his gas mask (wtf is he wearing).
First and foremost, everyone knows I don't really care about Dleatherus and I love to troll him. But I must say the stream was sort of sad in regards to the fact this 60 year old man (not me BMing, he says this himself) feels like the entire studio minus some has completely shit on him and his community despite 20k he and his community spent, I'd say 80% of his points were valid. I'll take time out my day to tell you guys what the stream was pretty much about, in service to my old pal.
Edit: Polishing the post for clarity. No white-out.
Things said (paraphrasing):
Lil D said the Kingdom selection was a wreck and borderline disingenuous considering the meta-data they provided was inaccurate which led to his (and other Monarchs') selection being drastically changed. A change he seems to not like but is generally fine by the rest of the Monarchs that had already selected their land. He did say the actual maps were beautiful and he liked them, so there's that.
Approx. about 80% of the Monarchs are okay with not having a re-pick with 20% (including Dleatherus, and his boyfriend, neck-beard-whale Adam) arguing for it based on the inaccurate data above. According to D, the monarchs, while not overly concerned about advocating for a re-pick, still understand where D is coming from.
D states the general atmosphere towards his community is of that of complainers and selfish people for asking for a re-pick after everyone is generally content with their situation. He states he's received multiple threats -- which may or may not have been from me (lol jk). He states that he also understands why a majority of the monarchs would not opt to re-pick, and says that even if he was selfish, as he believes all the other non-conforming monarchs are, then it is a sign of good leadership to do what's best for your respective community.
Lil D also goes on to restate concerns that Slapshot has said here such as the missed deadlines and the time schedule being skewed. He also completely shit on Caspian by saying he "had no balls" and that he should man up and admit he fucked up by making promises and "agreements" with the Monarchs that he either knew were wrong or was ignorant about (such as saying the maps or whatever were ready in December but chose to not release because of holidays). He said this is just one of many examples.
D uses a lot of law terminology such as "dealing in good faith", "negotiating in bad faith", "agreements", "breach", etc. He uses these terms and reiterates that there is no lawsuit or any talk of a lawsuit. I don't know why he said that, maybe there are rumors of a lawsuit that he wanted to dismiss? It almost seemed like D's talked to a lawyer from the language and terms he was using in the beginning-mid of the interview. He meticulously defined what an "agreement" is as well as other trade-esque terms and how Caspian has step-by-step broken many of them, either through disingenuous intent or through sheer ignorance.
My boy Serpentius was also heavily scrutinized, maybe more so than Caspian. Apparently his role as a community outreach is a disaster as Serp has directly challenged screenshots and documents produced by Dleatherus shortly before and during the live-stream as possibly being fake despite confirmation by good ol' Adam the neckbeard (another prominent whale). There was some colorful language addressed to Serp by Adam such as "Oi fuck Serp" unironically. You can actually find a post about this on the forum as of today, I wouldn't be surprised if Serp deletes it.
Amazingly, Serp also left the discord that was designated for only Monarchs during the actual live-stream after questioning whether the screens provided by D were even real despite the screens coming from the Discord the monarchs and Serp was apart of (until he left during the live stream of course). That was really smooth (sarcasm) and personally makes Serp look like an absolute pussy, which isn't a surprise to me. Everyone in the live-stream took notice of his departure from the discord and got a bit heated and that's where the insults came in.
Lil D further feels that that the moderation issues on the discord and forums have gotten to a point where SBS has become the gestapo. Essentially, D disapproves of the moderating policy on the discord/forums, and I believe he even stated that he's left the SBS official discord.
Apparently, Lil D's community's stream was de-funded by SBS (SBS supported them through patreon, according to D), but I guess they had a falling out and not only did they retract financial support, but they didn't even send any representative from SBS to the live-stream (I think...? maybe Serp was there?). D believes SBS views him as a disruptive element and is not well responded to by Caspian with his calls for a re-pick. This situation has extended to Caspian becoming moody/unresponsive towards him.
He goes on to say all of CoE has been disrespected by the missed deadlines, false promises, and "Caspian's record" of not being able to hit most if any of the milestones/goals he has set out to do. Again, these are all pretty much his words, not mine, and actually from the recent fiascos regarding DSS, D's sentiments are generally what the community of CoE feels according to the forums and discord. Why do I say that? Well, a quick glance at the live-stream having over 200+ viewers, the dislikes/comments on the monthly journals of late, and the crack down on the "echo" chamber from said Gestapo.
Dleatherus asks in jest (but half-seriously?) what SBS's reaction would be if they linked the livestream on the forums for all to see. After discussing it with his friend, Noslim (a former moderator of SBS), who was also on the live stream, he decides against it as they both believe SBS may do something rash and take disciplinary action that Noslim said that they would regret and get major blowback. They said posting the livestream, which was really a constructive in nature bar a few ad homs out of frustration here and there would just add unnecessary tension and that doing so would be "poking a bear" and just aggravate the situation.
Going forward, D called BS on the recent SBS practices towards their bait and switch tactics, and that he believes a re-pick will not happen due to Caspian's "lack of balls to do the right thing" and the fact that most monarchs seem to be content with everything at the moment. He says he supports "the project" (but not necessarily Caspian or the studio?). He called Caspian a "genius", but admitted Caspian is ridiculously bad at what he is currently doing with the project.
I think if anyone wants to get the whole picture, you should watch the stream and get the absolute full picture, I went in thinking this was gonna be boring, but it was sort of interesting and I must say that Dleatherus did well to prepare the entire broadcast by getting documents, screenshots, info-graphics ready to prove his point.
My bad if I input anything extra, I tried to make sure I did a relatively good job at getting the gist of the live-stream without misrepresenting anyone but I did sort of get bored writing this and added the gestapo exaggeration. I believe I did pretty well in summarizing the live stream.
I'd recommend skipping a good 10 minutes though if you decide to watch the entire thing. Took me about an hour to write this, I hope I get brownie points.
My thoughts (couldn't put in last post cause of word count limitation):
- D's
concerns were valid. He tried to be diplomatic in his livestream but is
ultimately overshadowed by his choice of words that would have gotten
him a permanent ban from the forums/discord if he wasn't a King. He gave
off a sense of being closed in and forced to go along with a decision
he is against.
- All flowery
language aside, it seems SBS views D's current fallout as a major threat
to their handling of the project considering the actions Serp took
during the stream, and the fact that two of the most well-known kings
are currently chastising Caspian (CEO) and SBS's handling of the
situation.
- I think D's is confused at
what stance he should truly take on the views the other communities feel
towards him and Caspian's behaviors towards him. He says Caspian
doesn't have the balls to do the right thing, but in the same breath
calls him a genius. I think he just wants to come out and say "The
project, while very grandiose and appealing on paper, has been
drastically changed and its not helping that the studio is ill-equipped
to handle this behemoth". That's the underlying feeling I get from the entire livestream
- I really think
there may be talks of legal action especially with 1/3 of the
live-stream focusing on the definition and technicalities of trade
agreements and what would be considered breaching a verbal/written
contract or agreement. Just seemed very judicial to me? Just a feeling,
not a confirmation.
- After
listening to his livestream for a while, I think he's fucked, but I
think the words during the livestreams, documents, witnesses, etc
against SBS speak for themselves. The man, has very valid concerns, but I
think it's a little late to turn back now, he's established an entire
community, delegated roles, spent 20k+, and more importantly invested
his time.
- Again, he states he supports "the project", but I think it's only a matter of time.
I
think we can all agree there a shit ton of lessons to be learned here,
aside from spending your life savings on a game that isn't out yet.
Thank you for a breakdown without your usual silly attacks. I found this very interesting, especially if its everything (I'm not spending ten minutes let alone an hour on it I'm afraid)
Thank you for a breakdown without your usual silly attacks. I found this very interesting, especially if its everything (I'm not spending ten minutes let alone an hour on it I'm afraid)
Did he really spend his life savings on a game...
No, that was just a joke mainly at myself for even thinking about spending 35 bucks on the game. He states during the livestream that he accepts that he could actually lose 20k as per the risk of donating to SBS and/or losing it during the game's release.
During the livestream he did have to hold back some comments and sort of censor his true thoughts about the entire fiasco because of NDA, his position as a diplomat the represents god knows how many others, pauses before making statements that were ultimately watered-down (his words), and the fact he admitted his repick decision was overwhelming unpoplar to the majority of the monarchs which has led to bad PR towards his group for being selfish and trying to rock the vote because he didn't get his way.
Again, just a few jokes here and there, but I tried to make it as concise and to the point as possible. The gestapo and the life savings are the only two jokes, they're both true in concept but a bit exaggerated.
All-in-all, hope everything works out for him, but the response he got from Caspian made him get the impression that his demands would very likely go unanswered, compounded by the fact that the other Kings/Queens don't really care for a repick either. Remember this is one, if not the most, important part of the entire project.
What this does show is that some of the monarchs believe they should be allowed to keep any paid for benefits even after being warned that everything can and be lost.
They just lost it before the game was released...
The kingdom I am in is happy where we are, in fact I believe most of the EU kingdoms are happy.
Since CoE devs promised that others wouldn't be delayed, that meant the metadata for kings was agreed to be only a couple of weeks old by the time others were making their picks.
It's more than enough that any king who wants a repick should be allowed a repick.
CoE devs could have just used their power as devs and make the kings pick without any agreement like this. But since the devs decided to make an agreement, they also need to try to follow it through. CoE devs aren't even trying.
This map is a fucking joke. How a whole biome can have zero trees, even along the border. Almost like they have been airbrushed away. Seems the biome borders are going to look like minecraft. So bloody unrealistic.
There's also a lot of mountain towns without access to stone.
How can a place have mountains, mineral deposits, and a lot of miners, but no stone?
Interesting, all his lead in posts in the COE forums were very calm and reserved even when a few posters slagged on him for his views.
Wonder what set him off?
IMHO he found the other communities “weaponized” against him the same way they (and he) were previously used to attack critics. I think it was eye opening for him. When he heard that the Comunity Manager was inferring that he was not speaking truthfully or even perhaps manipulating screenshots he went nuts. Once you take the red pill a lot of emotions come out.
He never did answer (that I saw) what he would do if SBS simply ignored him and continued DSS without addressing his complaints.
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Interesting, all his lead in posts in the COE forums were very calm and reserved even when a few posters slagged on him for his views.
Wonder what set him off?
He never did answer (that I saw) what he would do if SBS simply ignored him and continued DSS without addressing his complaints.
D's a pretty nice guy so at most he'll no longer continue to provide additional funding, at least not until he sees some promises actually being kept.
If it were me, publically I would appear to fall back in line, but then turn matters over to one of the "other voices" in my head and use the next few years to set the stage for burning the world down to ashes.
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Just flicked through some of it, he has quite a few good points that he is making about SBS flip flopping.
Still not enough IMHO to get a repick
I think the argument that D was making is that this is more of a moral point than one where everyone actually wants to re-pick because they do not like their spots. They agreed to pick under certain conditions that Caspien laid out in a screenshot. The expectation was that the Dukes would be picking from the same data but just presented in a tool rather than manually. Instead, 4 months went by and there were countless changes to the maps and data. So whether or not folks like where they are, he feels it's simply moral to allow the Kings to pick with the same data that everyone else now has.
And per the stream this was raised well before the maps became public, so it does not appear to be just a matter of him not liking his spot. He feels like he was misled and that SBS is ignoring him.
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There is no other explanation for that unprepared, rushed map "Special Event" other than to beat D. with map information before he goes public with his point of view.
To release them to public and then say "Oups.. but.. but we are live now, people saw where kingdoms are. Surely you understand that we do not want to confuse backers"
Vye and Snipehunter sounded amateurish and just babbling to bloat the event time while all they did was make silly jokes and clicked through four maps. They surely did not sound like a pair of professionals, showcasing Studio's 4 (8+) months of work.
Just flicked through some of it, he has quite a few good points that he is making about SBS flip flopping.
Still not enough IMHO to get a repick
I think the argument that D was making is that this is more of a moral point than one where everyone actually wants to re-pick because they do not like their spots. They agreed to pick under certain conditions that Caspien laid out in a screenshot. The expectation was that the Dukes would be picking from the same data but just presented in a tool rather than manually. Instead, 4 months went by and there were countless changes to the maps and data. So whether or not folks like where they are, he feels it's simply moral to allow the Kings to pick with the same data that everyone else now has.
And per the stream this was raised well before the maps became public, so it does not appear to be just a matter of him not liking his spot. He feels like he was misled and that SBS is ignoring him.
Fair enough.
As I said only watched a bit before getting bored.
This map is a fucking joke. How a whole biome can have zero trees, even along the border. Almost like they have been airbrushed away. Seems the biome borders are going to look like minecraft. So bloody unrealistic.
There's also a lot of mountain towns without access to stone.
How can a place have mountains, mineral deposits, and a lot of miners, but no stone?
Like I said, this is akin to a(n incompetent) god creating the layout of a world without first hammering out the details of how gravity and physics (...and stone, apparently) works.
Or like creating all the mario stages in a game before programming in how far and high Mario can jump and how fast he can run and what power-ups do.
He states that his position is mostly rooted on the concept of morality. He believes he is right due to the breach of trust. But, I think another take away is that he bridges the recent backstab to the chronic behavior of the studio, something he's been suppressing for a while.
Seems like this is the straw that broke the camel's back.
The thing is, what about any of the previous straws? Such as delays, or the fact they were picking their kingdoms off of outdated/incomplete data? When Dletherus made the argument for repicks after Vye posted the DJ, it seemed to the general public that Dleatherus was mad that the grasslands didn't have stone. No matter how much people want to argue that he made a case in NDA-land or not, doesn't matter, because the general public can't see those arguments. From my impression of how the general public sees it, Bordweall looks like a community of whiny, entitled people, despite what they write or say on stream.
It is interesting that Bordweall would get this special type of attention it's been getting, after being relatively under the radar, but I suppose that's how it goes when you stick your neck out against SBS.
Seems like they've just went ahead and spilled their guts. Serp was called "chicken shit" by D which is pretty accurate. SBS and Caspian again crucified by both kings. The community basically presents its arguments against D's arguments, and at this point seems like both disgruntled Kings have their backs against the wall.
Just think, this is one of probably many implosions to come, and the sad part is, I think everyone involved is to blame. SBS for their "customer support" -- or there lack of. The fact the community thought SBS removing hard dates for milestones was a good way to avoid disappointment coupled with letting them get away with missed milestones (as admitted by D and Adam). And ultimately, no accountability from the Kings towards the studio until the final straw (which has come home to roost for these two).
I think this year is gonna be their most prolific year yet, for all the wrong reasons.
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"Then, following the final week of Domain & Settlement Selection, we will be doing some planned maintenance on the maps and then preparing to sell off the remaining property in a Dutch-style auction. The prices will drop every day during that time, with savings up to 45% possible! There's even the possibility that a new king or queen will appear on the Selene server."
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Notice the only firm deliverables involve fundraising, clearly where the priorities lie.
No mention about getting backers in game anytime soon.
"Externally it'll be the dutch auction, the Kickstater-versary, and then onward to the future. Internally, I desperately need to overhaul archery. We're happy with the core mechanics, but we've made a ton of little changes to the game interface that have made some of the clunkier parts of archery hard to endure, so we need to go in and refactor how certain things like the camera work to make it easier to use without making it OP at the same time."
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Holy cray Detherus is going insane. Cursing at Serpentius... saying his mistake was trusting Caspien.
I hope they put this up for viewing after the fact.
If you are available you should hop in.
Best quote I heard so far " I think we've been giving them the benefit of the doubt for 3 fucking years. It's about time to hold them accountable" From one of their King donors
and
Edit for link:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/470060869
If someone wants to watch the whole thing and give Cliff's Notes I'll love you forever.
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Wonder what set him off?
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Edit: Polishing the post for clarity. No white-out.
I think if anyone wants to get the whole picture, you should watch the stream and get the absolute full picture, I went in thinking this was gonna be boring, but it was sort of interesting and I must say that Dleatherus did well to prepare the entire broadcast by getting documents, screenshots, info-graphics ready to prove his point.
I'd recommend skipping a good 10 minutes though if you decide to watch the entire thing. Took me about an hour to write this, I hope I get brownie points.
I found this very interesting, especially if its everything (I'm not spending ten minutes let alone an hour on it I'm afraid)
Did he really spend his life savings on a game...
During the livestream he did have to hold back some comments and sort of censor his true thoughts about the entire fiasco because of NDA, his position as a diplomat the represents god knows how many others, pauses before making statements that were ultimately watered-down (his words), and the fact he admitted his repick decision was overwhelming unpoplar to the majority of the monarchs which has led to bad PR towards his group for being selfish and trying to rock the vote because he didn't get his way.
Again, just a few jokes here and there, but I tried to make it as concise and to the point as possible. The gestapo and the life savings are the only two jokes, they're both true in concept but a bit exaggerated.
All-in-all, hope everything works out for him, but the response he got from Caspian made him get the impression that his demands would very likely go unanswered, compounded by the fact that the other Kings/Queens don't really care for a repick either. Remember this is one, if not the most, important part of the entire project.
They just lost it before the game was released...
The kingdom I am in is happy where we are, in fact I believe most of the EU kingdoms are happy.
Still not enough IMHO to get a repick
-Kings will be given high-level metadata for their picks
-Dukes, Counts and Mayors will not experience a delay in picking
EDIT: Here's Adam's post about their agreement: https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/32383/what-it-means-to-find-the-fun?page=6#post359477 /EDIT
Since CoE devs promised that others wouldn't be delayed, that meant the metadata for kings was agreed to be only a couple of weeks old by the time others were making their picks.
It's more than enough that any king who wants a repick should be allowed a repick.
CoE devs could have just used their power as devs and make the kings pick without any agreement like this. But since the devs decided to make an agreement, they also need to try to follow it through. CoE devs aren't even trying.
How can a place have mountains, mineral deposits, and a lot of miners, but no stone?
He never did answer (that I saw) what he would do if SBS simply ignored him and continued DSS without addressing his complaints.
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If it were me, publically I would appear to fall back in line, but then turn matters over to one of the "other voices" in my head and use the next few years to set the stage for burning the world down to ashes.
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And per the stream this was raised well before the maps became public, so it does not appear to be just a matter of him not liking his spot. He feels like he was misled and that SBS is ignoring him.
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There is no other explanation for that unprepared, rushed map "Special Event" other than to beat D. with map information before he goes public with his point of view.
To release them to public and then say "Oups.. but.. but we are live now, people saw where kingdoms are. Surely you understand that we do not want to confuse backers"
Vye and Snipehunter sounded amateurish and just babbling to bloat the event time while all they did was make silly jokes and clicked through four maps.
They surely did not sound like a pair of professionals, showcasing Studio's 4 (8+) months of work.
As I said only watched a bit before getting bored.
Or like creating all the mario stages in a game before programming in how far and high Mario can jump and how fast he can run and what power-ups do.
The thing is, what about any of the previous straws? Such as delays, or the fact they were picking their kingdoms off of outdated/incomplete data? When Dletherus made the argument for repicks after Vye posted the DJ, it seemed to the general public that Dleatherus was mad that the grasslands didn't have stone. No matter how much people want to argue that he made a case in NDA-land or not, doesn't matter, because the general public can't see those arguments. From my impression of how the general public sees it, Bordweall looks like a community of whiny, entitled people, despite what they write or say on stream.
It is interesting that Bordweall would get this special type of attention it's been getting, after being relatively under the radar, but I suppose that's how it goes when you stick your neck out against SBS.
Seems like they've just went ahead and spilled their guts. Serp was called "chicken shit" by D which is pretty accurate. SBS and Caspian again crucified by both kings. The community basically presents its arguments against D's arguments, and at this point seems like both disgruntled Kings have their backs against the wall.
Just think, this is one of probably many implosions to come, and the sad part is, I think everyone involved is to blame. SBS for their "customer support" -- or there lack of. The fact the community thought SBS removing hard dates for milestones was a good way to avoid disappointment coupled with letting them get away with missed milestones (as admitted by D and Adam). And ultimately, no accountability from the Kings towards the studio until the final straw (which has come home to roost for these two).
I think this year is gonna be their most prolific year yet, for all the wrong reasons.